911 Conspiracy

[ZenMaster]

There is SOOOOOOO much evidence, irrefutable evidence, I could go on and on. Have you seen the movie loose change, 2 hours of nonstop evidence!

I have seen loose change, and most of I did call B.S. on like how they think it was simultaneous detonations that felled the twin towers.

The only thing that they said on there that made me ponder was the plane hitting the Pentagon.

On 9/11 they did cover that shit up hardcore, the media didn't really talk about, no coverage at all.

And they were right to question why wasn't there any plane debris from hitting the pentagon? There should be scraps of the jet engine and whatnot, but there was nothing. I personally think it was an RPG or rocket launched from a close range, and the gov covered it up because they didn't want the people of America and the world for that matter to witness how vulnerable we were to let someone get close enough to RPG the pentagon. Thats almost embarrassing.

But who knows.

 

[mockingbird131313]

for example the fact that there were war games simulating the exact same scenarios that day, which is what confused norad so much. We have policies in order to stop hi jacked palnes, f16 shouldve immediatly been scrambled to stop the planes once they got off course. Have you seen the course the planes took, it is ridiculous! an unexperienced pilot could never fly a 747 into the pentagon, the turn the plane made was physically impossible. WHy was there no wreckage at the pentagon, or shanksville? usually when a plane crashes there is wreckage, bodies, etc...not at the pentagon, not at shanksville.... it goes on and on. The FBI recovered 80 surveillence videos of nearby places that recorded the crash into the pentagon, within minutes, NONE of these tapes have been released. If the gov't has nothing to hide, why are they hiding so much?

You will believe what you wish to believe. I do not believe most of the things the government says. However, if you read my earlier posts, you will note that nothing convinces me so far that this was an "inside job". And much of the so called evidence looks like hogwash to me. I am pretty sceptical of your "proof". But, it is a free country; believe as you wish.

Most of your questions have reasonable explanations. Yet, I suspect, you have never looked at other possible explanations. Consider Octum's razor (spelling?). Look for the simple answer first that best fits the results, and then you have most likely found your logical conclusion.

 

[mockingbird131313]

I have seen loose change, and most of I did call B.S. on like how they think it was simultaneous detonations that felled the twin towers.

The only thing that they said on there that made me ponder was the plane hitting the Pentagon.

On 9/11 they did cover that shit up hardcore, the media didn't really talk about, no coverage at all.

And they were right to question why wasn't there any plane debris from hitting the pentagon? There should be scraps of the jet engine and whatnot, but there was nothing. I personally think it was an RPG or rocket launched from a close range, and the gov covered it up because they didn't want the people of America and the world for that matter to witness how vulnerable we were to let someone get close enough to RPG the pentagon. Thats almost embarrassing.

But who knows.

Good questions ZenMaster. I explained this before in this forum, but no one wishes to listen. There are extensive after incident photos of the Pentagon that tell the story very well. One of these "documentaries", which causes fools to salivate, goes into great details about the "missing plane" and the "missing girders". Since you are not one of the salivating fools, I'll give you the Cliff's Notes version.

First, the girders were never there because the building was made with tension wire construction methods, not post and beams as is most common today. When the Pentagon was built it used so little steel that the US Navy was able to build a battleship for WWII, with the scraps. This has been well documented in entry level modern architecture classes for decades.

Second, the plane disintegrated; as is common when aircraft aluminum hits solid surfaces at high speed. This was also documented with high speed, fly-by-wire drones in the desert at Edwards and Davis-Monthum AFB in the '80s and 90's.

Third, where are the engines? They kept forward motion and stoped deep inside the building. The wings folded in and largely turned to dust, as would be expected. The engines followed the path of the fuselage, deep inside the building. They were recovered as well.

The stuff that remained intact was the luggage. There are news pictures of a pile of suitcases, as was expected.

So what is really missing from this picture? On the surface it makes more sense than the silly shit in the movies.

 

[hom36rown]

I have seen loose change, and most of I did call B.S. on like how they think it was simultaneous detonations that felled the twin towers.
But who knows.

what exactly do you find to be b.s

You will believe what you wish to believe. I do not believe most of the things the government says. However, if you read my earlier posts, you will note that nothing convinces me so far that this was an "inside job". And much of the so called evidence looks like hogwash to me. I am pretty sceptical of your "proof". But, it is a free country; believe as you wish.

Most of your questions have reasonable explanations. Yet, I suspect, you have never looked at other possible explanations. Consider Octum's razor (spelling?). Look for the simple answer first that best fits the results, and then you have most likely found your logical conclusion.

Actually, I really dont want to believe this, but I cant Ignore the facts. Im not actually sure if I believe it 100%, but there are a lot of good arguments that just cant be ignored and I am just presenting them, and I have looked into the supposed "debunking" of these claims and there is still much that is unanswered. I honestly dont think Occam's Razor applies to this situation, or any situation involving the government for that matter.

Good questions ZenMaster. I explained this before in this forum, but no one wishes to listen. There are extensive after incident photos of the Pentagon that tell the story very well. One of these "documentaries", which causes fools to salivate, goes into great details about the "missing plane" and the "missing girders". Since you are not one of the salivating fools, I'll give you the Cliff's Notes version.

First, the girders were never there because the building was made with tension wire construction methods, not post and beams as is most common today. When the Pentagon was built it used so little steel that the US Navy was able to build a battleship for WWII, with the scraps. This has been well documented in entry level modern architecture classes for decades.

Second, the plane disintegrated; as is common when aircraft aluminum hits solid surfaces at high speed. This was also documented with high speed, fly-by-wire drones in the desert at Edwards and Davis-Monthum AFB in the '80s and 90's.

Third, where are the engines? They kept forward motion and stoped deep inside the building. The wings folded in and largely turned to dust, as would be expected. The engines followed the path of the fuselage, deep inside the building. They were recovered as well.

The stuff that remained intact was the luggage. There are news pictures of a pile of suitcases, as was expected.

So what is really missing from this picture? On the surface it makes more sense than the silly shit in the movies.

If what you say is true, all the government would have to do is realease the surveillence vidoes that caught it happen to disprove all of these "foolish" theories. Why have they witheld the vidoes??

 

[Budda_Luva]

Ok u know why this is fukkin stupid??? #1 Why the fuk would there be an other trrorist attack on the same day without them bein connected??? why would the government destroy the 2 buildings with thousands of peopls lifes at risk??? Why the fuk would they destroy the buildings and do absolutley nothing with the land but set up a barrier of where the buildings use to be and put up a picture in its memory??? And about the supposidly loud noises and explosions its called C-O-N-S-T-R-U-C-T-I-O-N and people only HEARD this stuff no visual comfirmation of any of it, and juss because people tell u something dont mean its the truth.........

 

[hom36rown]

Ok u know why this is fukkin stupid??? #1 Why the fuk would there be an other trrorist attack on the same day without them bein connected???

wth are you talking about

why would the government destroy the 2 buildings with thousands of peopls lifes at risk???

So they could have a defense budget of world conquest proportions, so that they could launch a preemptivee attack on afghanistan and iraq, and scare people into willingly giving up their freedoms and rights and pass such great legislation such the patriot act and rendition

Why the fuk would they destroy the buildings and do absolutley nothing with the land but set up a barrier of where the buildings use to be and put up a picture in its memory???

what does what they did with the land afterward have to do with anything, of course they put up a picture in its memory...

And about the supposidly loud noises and explosions its called C-O-N-S-T-R-U-C-T-I-O-N and people only HEARD this stuff no visual comfirmation of any of it, and juss because people tell u something dont mean its the truth.........

oh yes cause people mistake construction for explosions all the time...you are an idiot...yeah I remember when I worked construction cops were always coming to the site because of reports of explosions(yeah right) People inside the building heard explosions before the towers were even hit, and there were explosions after. In certain videos at certain angles you see explosions coming from lower floors right before the tower falls. Buildings do not fall at freefall speed unless they are DEMOLITIONED, which is exactly what happend to the WTC....

 

[Budda_Luva]

how do u even know what was heard befor the building was hit and detroyed if there dead... and about the land why wouldnt they put something else there there instead of a field of grass???and still juss because someone says sometrhing is true doesnt mean it is, its like saying i can jump into the tv and join the cast when im not high

 

[hom36rown]

First off, not everyone in the building died, pleny of people made it out of the building, and like I said what does what they did with the land have to do with anything. youre right, just because someone says somehting is true doesnt make it true...just because bush or cheney or rice or fox news says something, it doesnt make it true.....

 

[Budda_Luva]

im goin by what i believe i hate politics

 

[hom36rown]

Im sorry to hear that

 

[We TaRdED]

i repeat, most of your questions can be answered in the following links...

take the time to educate yourself on a very important matter... if you disagree with any of these claims on the movie, thats fine... at least you know what the assertions are.

if you think the assertions are correct, then spread the word and help inform the rest of the public!!!!

i can get some other movies about war and how the gov would like to be at war for ages!!!! look at Vietnam for example...

ohh and ps, the gov doesnt give a shit about their ppl!!!!! and thats no lie.....

start this one at 40 mins if you want to skip the religion part.
Zeitgeist - The Movie


the rest of the links are exclusivly about 911 but worth the time to watch
your outlook on the gov will be forever changed



http://youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE


Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell" - Complete 2 Hour Presentation | 911Blogger.com


ENDGAME- ALEX JONES - Blueprint for Global Enslavement



Ring of Power - Parts 1-5 - Sprword.com
Ring of Power - Parts 6-10 - Sprword.com




The Money Masters - Part 1 of 2
The Money Masters - Part 2 of 2

 

[hom36rown]

this aint no alien conspiracy theory this shit is real, written on a dollar underneath a masonic seal



if you like hip hop..... YouTube - TELL THE TRUTH - Mos Def - Immortal Technique - Eminem by the way MM isnt in it, I dont know why it syas that, its juss some guy who sounds like him

 

[daisy2687]

YouTube - 9/11 Remembering the "Jumpers"

Wow that is so incredibly hard to watch. I feel so much for their families.

 

[natrone23]

Wow that is so incredibly hard to watch. I feel so much for their families.

Those wernt real people..............just like the conspiracy theroists claim in loosechange that the people killed on the planes wern't real, and that those last calls the passengers made were faked too. These truthers will stoop to nothing and disgrace the surviving family members of the dead victims, and claim that they don't know there own husband or sons voice, and recorded messages were faked by the government. These people don't know the truth, they watched a couple of youtube videoes and now think they are going to be some great hero, for exposing this "great government coverup".........evrything thing that these morons put out have been throughly debunked multiple times by educated experts who have degrees in these fields.........loosechange was made by a few 18 yr olds in their basement. which source should you believe

 

[mockingbird131313]

what exactly do you find to be b.s

Actually, I really dont want to believe this, but I cant Ignore the facts. Im not actually sure if I believe it 100%, but there are a lot of good arguments that just cant be ignored and I am just presenting them, and I have looked into the supposed "debunking" of these claims and there is still much that is unanswered. I honestly dont think Occam's Razor applies to this situation, or any situation involving the government for that matter.

If what you say is true, all the government would have to do is realease the surveillence vidoes that caught it happen to disprove all of these "foolish" theories. Why have they witheld the vidoes??

I don't give a rat's ass about the government. I personally believe the truth will set you free. What I have said here, for the umpteenth time, is ALLL true. Why won't the government release information about an ongoing investigation? Uh, I don't know for sure, but, I bet it is a policy issue. But, that's just a hunch.

The problem here is this, people derive great personal conclusions without allowing the evidence time to develope actual conclusions. Some of these questions may never be answered completely. But most have simple, reasonable answers already in place.

 

[We TaRdED]

this aint no alien conspiracy theory this shit is real, written on a dollar underneath a masonic seal



if you like hip hop..... YouTube - TELL THE TRUTH - Mos Def - Immortal Technique - Eminem by the way MM isnt in it, I dont know why it syas that, its juss some guy who sounds like him

good way to spread the word to the rap community

too many N bombs though

and just to prove that our government has lied and kept things hidden for 50+ years (talking about aliens and whatnot. lol) i have a link for you watch.

if you want to watch the whole thing, skip the first three minutes-its gay. but after you watch after you watch 5 mins of the disclosure you will want to watch the rest.
YouTube - U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT U.FO MEETING

15 mins into the video

notice that this one guys says something to this extent "i told them what any government employee would tell them 'its under investigation'"



.

 

[We TaRdED]

Those wernt real people..............just like the conspiracy theroists claim in loosechange that the people killed on the planes wern't real, and that those last calls the passengers made were faked too. These truthers will stoop to nothing and disgrace the surviving family members of the dead victims, and claim that they don't know there own husband or sons voice, and recorded messages were faked by the government. These people don't know the truth, they watched a couple of youtube videoes and now think they are going to be some great hero, for exposing this "great government coverup".........evrything thing that these morons put out have been throughly debunked multiple times by educated experts who have degrees in these fields.........loosechange was made by a few 18 yr olds in their basement. which source should you believe

wheres your sources? i would like to see these unbiased sources

preferably in a video of some sort.

 

[natrone23]

oh yes cause people mistake construction for explosions all the time...you are an idiot...yeah I remember when I worked construction cops were always coming to the site because of reports of explosions(yeah right) People inside the building heard explosions before the towers were even hit, and there were explosions after. In certain videos at certain angles you see explosions coming from lower floors right before the tower falls. Buildings do not fall at freefall speed unless they are DEMOLITIONED, which is exactly what happend to the WTC....


Those windows you see blowing out is from the immense air pressure that had to go somewhere because of the building collapsing onto itself becuse it could not support the upper floors because of all the damage that happens when a jetliner fully loaded with jet fuel collides with a building going hundreds of miles per hour. hence windows blowing out below the collapsing building. Looschand producers have since removed that claim from latest movies...........I wonder how they never researched what could cause such a mysterious occurence, it would have been easily verified prob because they never did any research in the first place......thats why all their claims have been proven false

 

[natrone23]

wheres your sources? i would like to see these unbiased sources

preferably in a video of some sort.

What considered biased in your opinion

 

[We TaRdED]

the truth is this- two thirds of america doesnt believe it was an inside job because they are denying it for one reason or another (maybe too patriotic, as an example) or are ignorant of the facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!