Media Blackout As Obama Appoints First Ever Assassination Czar

NoDrama

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the military systems didnt fail.

the hijackings were detected early, but they were waiting for demands, as was the usual MO for hijackings. nobody expected the planes to crash into the WTC, and nobody was gonna just smoke a planeload of passengers when it was most likely gonna be a hostage situation.

your hindsight is flawless but your logic is flawed

would you preferr computer controlled automatic missile launches for every plane that deviates from it's course? or poison gas canisters that flood the cockpit every time a collision warning goes off?

normal fallible people made judgement calls on that day which look stupid from the perspective of history but thats not proof of a conspiracy, or incompetence. If fucking up is all thats needed to become part of a sinister plot to destroy america then Obama is the most fiendish mastermind since Migelito Loveless.

Donald Rumsfeld had this to say:

"Secretary of the Army Tom White, who has a responsibility for incidents like this as executive agent for the Department of Defense, is also joining me."


Know when Tom White became the executive agent? on 9/10/01, know who promoted him? Don Rumsfeld, fucking scapegoated him is what he did.

CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for assistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:

(DODD 2025.15, Feb. 18, 1997) 4.4 The Secretary of Defense retains approval authority for support to civil authorities involving: use of Commander in Chief (CINC)-assigned forces (personnel units, and equipment) when required under paragraph 4.5, below; DoD support that will result in a planned event with the potential for confrontation with specifically identified individuals and/or groups or will result in the use of lethal force.


DC is the most protected airspace in the world, yet the Pentagon suffered a direct hit, apparently by a plane that had no engines.

 

OGEvilgenius

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The Pentagon suffered a direct hit in the financial section of the building where auditors and accountants were investigating the trillions of dollars unaccounted for in the Pentagon budget. That was announced on Sept 10. Normally such news would create quite a stir, but of course the next day attention was elsewhere.
 

NoDrama

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The Pentagon suffered a direct hit in the financial section of the building where auditors and accountants were investigating the trillions of dollars unaccounted for in the Pentagon budget. That was announced on Sept 10. Normally such news would create quite a stir, but of course the next day attention was elsewhere.
Funny thing is, they stored all the evidence of the missing money in Building 7, you know, the building that just collapsed into itself after burning for a few hours.
 

NoDrama

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It doesn't take a genius to figure out that over a 2 hour period, all the hijacked unresponsive planes are being flown into things. Since it only takes about 15 minutes for a jet jockey to jump in a f-16 in the DC area and make his way to NY or vice versa it really makes little sense that there were no failures of the military kind. Last I heard the national air defense was a military endeavor and not one tasked to civilians or airplane enthusiasts.
 

OGEvilgenius

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It doesn't take a genius to figure out that over a 2 hour period, all the hijacked unresponsive planes are being flown into things. Since it only takes about 15 minutes for a jet jockey to jump in a f-16 in the DC area and make his way to NY or vice versa it really makes little sense that there were no failures of the military kind. Last I heard the national air defense was a military endeavor and not one tasked to civilians or airplane enthusiasts.
Well, Cheney was running those exercises the same day, simulating the exact same scenario. I'm sure that's why they were confused. Cheney & The Gang would never do anything to deliberately hurt America.
 

Dr Kynes

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Who among us in the seat of an F18 would want to pull the trigger on a hijacked passenger jet full of americans? I know i wouldnt, nobody wanted to give that order. NOBODY. pentagon was hit by a jet. WITH engines. or did they truck in shattered turbofans for the photos?

the pentagon is made of concrete and stone. a jet made of aluminium and titanium turns into confetti when hitting that kind of obstacle at high speed. All the mumbling and conspiracy talk has been disproved and discredited so many times i dont even want to waste my breath trying to explain it again.

If as you seem to believe, Darth Cheney and his apprentice Dubya were the sinister masterminds behind the entire plan, to conceal the machinations of the illuminati, and the 7 foot lizard people from dimension X and their 1000 year plot to take over the world at an excruciatingly slow pace, then i dont know what to tell you.

maybe we should all just surrender to the inevitable and line up for our turn at the Soylent Green tanks.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Maybe a real investigation should have been done (as even the commission members admit the original was faulty and flawed and they even considered bringing up the DOD on charges of obstruction of justice)?

Just a thought.
 

ginjawarrior

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**snipped nonsensical rant**
DC is the most protected airspace in the world, yet the Pentagon suffered a direct hit, apparently by a plane that had no engines.

whats up nodrama had your arse kicked so much in other thread you had to come to this one to carry this on?



just to the left of those workers theres a compressor rotor from one of these engines that you claim didnt exist
 

NoDrama

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Who among us in the seat of an F18 would want to pull the trigger on a hijacked passenger jet full of americans? I know i wouldnt, nobody wanted to give that order. NOBODY. pentagon was hit by a jet. WITH engines. or did they truck in shattered turbofans for the photos?

the pentagon is made of concrete and stone. a jet made of aluminium and titanium turns into confetti when hitting that kind of obstacle at high speed. All the mumbling and conspiracy talk has been disproved and discredited so many times i dont even want to waste my breath trying to explain it again.

If as you seem to believe, Darth Cheney and his apprentice Dubya were the sinister masterminds behind the entire plan, to conceal the machinations of the illuminati, and the 7 foot lizard people from dimension X and their 1000 year plot to take over the world at an excruciatingly slow pace, then i dont know what to tell you.

maybe we should all just surrender to the inevitable and line up for our turn at the Soylent Green tanks.
It's interesting to note that there is only one hole in the Pentagon that maybe the body of the plane went through. But where did the wings, engines and tail fins go? The engines on a 767 are roughly 9 ft around and are the heaviest equipment on the plane. If the body of the plane is capable of punching a hole through 3 rings of the massive concrete walls of the Pentagon, there should also be holes where the engines went through. But there are no holes from the engines which rules out a 767. Let's also not forget that the section of the Pentagon that was hit had been renovated and reinforced to make the walls even more stronger than they were originally.

see any holes where the hardest most massive parts of the plane would be? nope.



They use turbofan engines on more things than just passenger planes.

Whats the Darth Cheney and dubya thing about, I know you don't believe those things, its ridiculous to believe in 7 foot tall lizard men, people who say those things come off as paranoid schizophrenic types. Are you on medication?

We can believe that a plane with a massive load of fuel can take out 144 story buildings, but does no more damage than a 14 foot hole in another. How quaint that we can just make up whatever story we want to beleive and then present it as facts to all the people.

Titanium has the highest strength to weight ratio of all metals known to man, yet you want us to believe that the engines disintegrated on impact , but the much softer aluminum fuselage and carbon fiber dome are much much much stronger and made it ALL the way through the Pentagon. Sure, why not? All you have to do is let go of the ability to reason.
 

NoDrama

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whats up nodrama had your arse kicked so much in other thread you had to come to this one to carry this on?



just to the left of those workers theres a compressor rotor from one of these engines that you claim didnt exist
Whats up Ginja? Tired of losing all the time and have to resort to false accusations?
Boeing 757 carries 2 engines, both of them on the wings, where are the holes in the pentagon wall that would have been made by the engines crashing into it? You cannot have leftover engine parts without some kind of damage to the wall from them impacting. No holes whatsoever for the 2 nine foot diameter engines. Explain how the engines caused no damage?
 

NoDrama

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Its funny really that people can see all the damage when a plane flies into a huge skyscraper, the wings and engines make a huge hole in STEEL, but when it comes to the pentagon they don't even bat an eye at what is simply a 12 foot diameter hole with no engines or wing damage whatsoever on concrete.


VS.


You will believe anything they tell you to, because its on TV.
 

ginjawarrior

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see any holes where the hardest most massive parts of the plane would be? nope.

Nodrama those pictures that you put up are from the inner court yard NOT the outer wall you really expect a plane shaped hole on the exit side??

as the engine parts i showed are in the courtyard then its perfectly reasonable for them to have been part of the debris that made that hole?

the engines were on full speed when they hit the pentagon that means they were spinning many thousands of RPM i cannot see how you would expect them to do anything but rip themselves to shreds when they hit something

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ginjawarrior

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Its funny really that people can see all the damage when a plane flies into a huge skyscraper, the wings and engines make a huge hole in STEEL, but when it comes to the pentagon they don't even bat an eye at what is simply a 12 foot diameter hole with no engines or wing damage whatsoever on concrete.


VS.


You will believe anything they tell you to, because its on TV.
the brick and morter and reinforced concrete of the pentagon is slighty toughter thant the tubular steel and glass of the world trade center

that combined with you showing the entry on one and the exit on the other
 

NoDrama

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Nodrama those pictures that you put up are from the inner court yard NOT the outer wall you really expect a plane shaped hole on the exit side??
Correct, a very astute observation as you have now noted that the most massive and strongest part of the plane never went through even the exterior walls of the Pentagon, yet the aluminum and carbon fuselage went through all 3 layers of battle hardened reinforced concrete. I think you might be onto something here!!!

The engines spun so fast that they disintegrated themselves, LMFAO, when the jet is flying they spin real fast too, when they get a bird strike how come none of the engines ever disintegrates? LMAO at your foolishness, you are a great source of entertainment for many.
 

NoDrama

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[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]A close-up, showing the entrance hole. Note the foam on the glass in the windows above the impact point.
A 100-ton 757 crashed into the wall but did not break the glass in the windows? Wow!
Hmmnn ... is there something fishy about the official story of a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon?

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[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]How clever of the Boeing 757 to contract itself
to half its length and then simply vanish.[/FONT]
 

NoDrama

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the brick and morter and reinforced concrete of the pentagon is slighty toughter thant the tubular steel and glass of the world trade center

that combined with you showing the entry on one and the exit on the other
ANd yet there is no exit damage from a single airplane part in the WTC, yet in the battle hardened Pentagon there is. That pretty much unhinges your whole theory there

You do know that steel is stronger than any concrete right? This is simple scientific fact easily verified by any book on the subject.
 
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