Why should I respect your beliefs?

Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Kaendar said:
September 11? I thought there was a seperation of church and state.. and aids in Africa? My church's youth group went on a mission to West Africa to help AIDs and malaria victims. And all non denominational christian churches ive been to support scientific research.. even stem cell. I think you have been spending too much time reading about extremists and quakers.
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I am sure at the time some Christians were appalled at the witch trials, that is beside the point.

You still aren't seeing the point of my criticism. In each of the cases I listed the problem can be distilled down to failure to properly question and honestly review their beliefs. Your church people do the things they do because they are good people, not because it is god's command, though I am sure they feel more righteous in thinking so. If they were really interested in carrying out god's commands, they would be willing to sacrifice their children when god gives the word, they would be okay with slaves, and okay with loving Jesus above family members, for this is the morality outlined in the bible. The reason they pick and choose the good commands, or morals, is because they are good people. These are not people who would rather not help anyone, but do so anyway out of strict adherence to scripture.

The good that comes from religion is non-proprietary and not due to dogma, yet the potential harm is demonstrably unique.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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Heisenberg said:
I am sure at the time some Christians were appalled at the witch trials, that is beside the point.

You still aren't seeing the point of my criticism. In each of the cases I listed the problem can be distilled down to failure to properly question and honestly review their beliefs. Your church people do the things they do because they are good people, not because it is god's command, though I am sure they feel more righteous in thinking so. If they were really interested in carrying out god's commands, they would be willing to sacrifice their children when god gives the word, they would be okay with slaves, and okay with loving Jesus above family members, for this is the morality outlined in the bible. The reason they pick and choose the good commands, or morals, is because they are good people. These are not people who would rather not help anyone, but do so anyway out of strict adherence to scripture.

The good that comes from religion is non-proprietary and not due to dogma, yet the potential harm is demonstrably unique.
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Well I think you focus too much on the potential harm rather than the good that is done around the world everyday.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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Padawanbater2 said:
It's not at all worth it, not even close.
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But Christians as a whole arent going around crusading and burning alive alleged witches.. you guys are very focused on past events and you dont acknowledge the fact that most churches today acknowledge science.
 
Cut.Throat.

Cut.Throat.

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Kaendar said:
But Christians as a whole arent going around crusading and burning alive alleged witches.. you guys are very focused on past events and you dont acknowledge the fact that most churches today acknowledge science.
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If they acknowledged science they wouldn't believe in god.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Kaendar said:
But Christians as a whole arent going around crusading and burning alive alleged witches.. you guys are very focused on past events and you dont acknowledge the fact that most churches today acknowledge science.
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Most churches today acknowledge science only when they have to and a lot of people around the world suffer because of that.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Kaendar said:
But Christians as a whole arent going around crusading and burning alive alleged witches.. you guys are very focused on past events and you dont acknowledge the fact that most churches today acknowledge science.
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Kaendar, I suggest you read up on the denominations/congregations that believe in Biblical inerrancy. The strictures that they embrace and vigorously seek to propagate are a bit scary imo. It is those that prompted my jeremiad earlier.
<ceterum censeo> Inerrancy is really the only integral approach to Biblical Christianity. Once you introduce loopholes, like believing that the Bible is a blend of literal and metaphoric bits, you're in a continuum that can only lead to either complete rejection ... or benign neglect of the inconsistencies. Ime most self-confessed Christians choose the latter. cn
 
Doer

Doer

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To some the inconsistancies are explained with the most fundamental view that is. God can do anything. God put all the rock layers there 8000 years ago to make it look like epochs of deposits. Why? Because he can.

Ok, that's silly and cultish and dangerous. But, most will just accept the old strories are just that. About days of wonder that can't be explained.

And maybe, a lot of it never happened, so what? Christians, in the main stream, these day, really just want the GOOD and the fellowship.

A way to bring up family. Western religion is 90% secular, and only 10% Crazy. Some scpetics might be suggest we see it the other way around.
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Padawanbater2 said:
This isn't a bait thread, don't assume everything.

That's an honest question, and I'm trying to make a point. Beliefs shouldn't be respected just because somebody believes them. Do you agree, or disagree with that?

What makes a belief respectable, to you?


I can respect a person only so far as their beliefs carry them. Why would I respect a person if they believed that euthanizing the homeless was the right thing to do? Or that a person was less of a person because of the color of their skin?

Forgive me if you find this kind of conversation offensive..
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Amazingly well written, and an extremely good question. I look forward to hearing a reply.

Scrotie Mcboogerballs... you need to write something so i can plus rep you for having such a funny ass name! lol!
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Shannon Alexander said:
A lack of evidence is not evidence for a lack of a god...
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It's not a lack of evidence. The existing evidence is in direct opposition to the idea of a god.

Every time something new is found which God was responsible for previously, the goal posts are moved and usually, what's found is rejected until the church is forced to accept it.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Padawanbater2 said:
It's not a lack of evidence. The existing evidence is in direct opposition to the idea of a god.

Every time something new is found which God was responsible for previously, the goal posts are moved and usually, what's found is rejected until the church is forced to accept it.
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...seems a little biased towards scientism at the same time. Neither is better, imho. Some of the tools in the non-believers belt were initiated by church-going scientists. I can list them if you'd like, though I have a couple of times here - as recently as a few days ago.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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eye exaggerate said:
...seems a little biased towards scientism at the same time. Neither is better, imho. Some of the tools in the non-believers belt were initiated by church-going scientists. I can list them if you'd like, though I have a couple of times here - as recently as a few days ago.
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What is 'scientism'?

No need if you can direct me to the post # so I understand the context clearly
 
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