Do you support gay marriage

[Dirty Harry]

14, I see the thread is tainted now. Therefore all no votes do not count, sorry people who actually believe in their beliefs but a troll messed it up.


26yes 0 no.

Why do you think it is a troll and not someone simply stating their own opinion. Not everyone will be on your side on any topic. That is like a politician saying anyone who voted against me is a troll and their vote doesn't count.
Most "Polls" say the majority are for it, but when it comes to the votes, the majority are against it the majority of the time. People lie to polls but vote their conscience when at the voting centers.

Just look at exit polls from past elections where they were not even close to the actual vote.

 

[canndo]

"support gay marriage"? what a nonsensical question. Gay marriage is not an issue that needs "support". Should we "tolerate" legal unions of two like minded, like gendered humans?

 

[kevinT0911]

I think gays should get married, why deprive them of the mental anguish most of us go though on a daily basis? Misery loves company....

LOL That has been my argument all along!

I think gay couples should have all the same rights as married couples do, but they need to call their union something other than marriage.

Why should it be called something different? Did you not learn about Jim Crow in school? I will educate you, that is called separate but equal...which is unconstitutional by the way. The Constitution states that "all men are created equal" not "all men are created equal but we will come some of them something else for the convenience of those who don't believe they are equal." I got an idea...let's let straight people call THEIRS something different...gays can have marriage and straights can have something different since they all seem to think it is ok.

John those things you mentioned are taken care of with contracts and power of attorney. It's more hoops to jump through that a simple marriage certificate avoids, but no "rights" are lost. I'm all for calling it whatever as long the same bennies are afforded.

The company I work for, same sex couples can get on each others insurance plans but hetero couples shacking up can't. Understandably this is because they CAN'T marry. The government really needs to get out of our relationships, it solves all these issues.

Powers of attorney and wills and contracts do not stand up against the right wing parents that want to enter the picture and pretend they care when Joe Blow is in the hospital with a terminal illness. A lawyer, one better than drew up the power of attorney or contract, will come along and say that Joe Blow's partner has no business in there because he doesn't exist according to the law as it is written; and a right wing judge will agree.

 

[beenthere]

LOL That has been my argument all along!


Why should it be called something different? Did you not learn about Jim Crow in school? I will educate you, that is called separate but equal...which is unconstitutional by the way. The Constitution states that "all men are created equal" not "all men are created equal but we will come some of them something else for the convenience of those who don't believe they are equal." I got an idea...let's let straight people call THEIRS something different...gays can have marriage and straights can have something different since they all seem to think it is ok.

I thought gays and lesbians whole argument was they wanted equal protection and rights afforded by the constitution? Is that not what I said in my quote?

 

[UncleBuck]

I thought gays and lesbians whole argument was they wanted equal protection and rights afforded by the constitution? Is that not what I said in my quote?

so if they get the same thing, why do they not get to call it the same thing?

what's your logic there?

 

[ginwilly]

Powers of attorney and wills and contracts do not stand up against the right wing parents that want to enter the picture and pretend they care when Joe Blow is in the hospital with a terminal illness. A lawyer, one better than drew up the power of attorney or contract, will come along and say that Joe Blow's partner has no business in there because he doesn't exist according to the law as it is written; and a right wing judge will agree.

You must not be familiar with those of us in the health care field. I've never witnessed even one example in 20+ years of loved ones being denied access to the terminally ill based on anything other than health risks. It's a manufactured strawman of what could technically happen but never does. Of course there are small minded people in all professions so they do exist in healthcare too. Those idiots are overruled.

 

[beenthere]

so if they get the same thing, why do they not get to call it the same thing?

what's your logic there?

If they are getting the same rights, why do they need to call it marriage?

I doubt you or half the posters on this forum are old enough to remember back in the 1980's when gays and lesbians were lobbying for civil unions. Anyway, their whole platform was based on wanting equal rights under the law, they made it clear they were not going after the right to marry, just civil unions. Many conservatives, republicans, independents and even democrats argued that if gays were given the right to civil unions now, they will set their sites on marriage next. Well, here we are, can you deny the frog was put into the pot when it was warm!

Like I've said all along, gays and lesbians should be awarded the same exact rights as married heterosexual couples, but calling it marriage will only bring more divide.

 

[dtp5150]

If they are getting the same rights, why do they need to call it marriage?

I doubt you or half the posters on this forum are old enough to remember back in the 1980's when gays and lesbians were lobbying for civil unions. Anyway, their whole platform was based on wanting equal rights under the law, they made it clear they were not going after the right to marry, just civil unions. Many conservatives, republicans, independents and even democrats argued that if gays were given the right to civil unions now, they will set their sites on marriage next. Well, here we are, can you deny the frog was put into the pot when it was warm!

Like I've said all along, gays and lesbians should be awarded the same exact rights as married heterosexual couples, but calling it marriage will only bring more divide.

ya dude, CIVIL AND TAX LAW are the primary forces behind "marriage"

check THESE 2 scenarios ( happens , heard it 1st hand )

2 old same sex ppl, grow old together, one gets crazy, the state says they are unfit to be a human for any myriad of reasons.
state takes ALL possessions of person ( family photo albums, etc ), does not let ANYBODY except a legal spouse take possessions. NO LEGAL HOLY BIBLE MARRIAGE? ENTIRE PARTNER LIFE POSSESSIONS ARE SENT TO AUCTION.

THIS IS FUCKED UP.

That


I said 2 scenario. Its still true. can anybody help. It wil take like 2 hours before i can finish.

 

[beenthere]

ya dude, CIVIL AND TAX LAW are the primary forces behind "marriage"

check THESE 2 scenarios ( happens , heard it 1st hand )

2 old same sex ppl, grow old together, one gets crazy, the state says they are unfit to be a human for any myriad of reasons.
state takes ALL possessions of person ( family photo albums, etc ), does not let ANYBODY except a legal spouse take possessions. NO LEGAL HOLY BIBLE MARRIAGE? ENTIRE PARTNER LIFE POSSESSIONS ARE SENT TO AUCTION.

THIS IS FUCKED UP.

That


I said 2 scenario. Its still true. can anybody help. It wil take like 2 hours before i can finish.

Your making my argument that gays should have the same exact rights as married couples, we agree!

 

[dtp5150]

Your making my argument that gays should have the same exact rights as married couples, we agree!

Gays, trangenders, MMO players, i i dont give a fuck who u are. be a good person thats all that matters.

 

[UncleBuck]

If they are getting the same rights, why do they need to call it marriage?

because it is.

but i guess you feel those damn greedy homos want to harm you by having the same rights to the same institution with the same name.

how dare they. they should realize that even with equal rights, people like you still need to see them as inferior or second class somehow.

 

[InCognition]

As a straight person who was divorced and then remarried, straight of course,...I think ALL marriage should be illegal. Marriage is the leading cause of divorce. And some going through a divorce try or do kill the other. No marriage equals no divorce. No divorce equals less domestic violence and murders.
If your committed, just live your life together. What does a marriage certificate really mean? Other than your going to loose half your shit when your partner leaves.

It doesn't mean shit, which is why it's absolutely insane to get married.

Marriage is nothing more than two strong egos coming together within our paradigm of society, to make a useless display of their ego's, that accomplishes nothing other than satisfying egos.

Sure, people may sincerely care that there are two human-beings who have a love for one another. But to waste tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on a useless piece of paper, and an over-price party... you've got to be fucking insane to some degree.

I've always told myself, any women who "needs" to be married, is capable of going ape-shit on you at any second, for any reason. This is the number 1 reason not to marry, because if it's a "needed" to commit, it's already a potential game-over.

 

[InCognition]

So who are those who don't support gay marriage?

Bigots, let yourself be known... we are waiting.

 

[Dirty Harry]

So who are those who don't support gay marriage?

Bigots, let yourself be known... we are waiting.

I'll be first. I don't. I haven't trolled the poll and only voted once. But since you asked, I voted no. I am not too keen on straight marriage either because it is only a legal document that means if one and the partner want to part, lawyers have to become involved and a property/money fight happens. If one is not married, you just say "Get the fuck out of my house"...

 

[DonPepe]

what is bible thumping?

i spent a lot of my early life in church and i have never seen or heard of it and have grown quiet curious. I grew up in the south so i have never experienced some of the, forgive me if this sounds offensive, "crazier" religions. I am sure it only appears odd to me as an outsider.

for a while back in high school i thought i was anti-gay, then i made some gay friends and realized i like them just fine, turns out i'm anti-liberal. I fucking hate their flawed logic and ludicrous shit stirring antics and I was wrongly grouping gay people in with them simply based on there sexual preference.

 

[canndo]

I'll be first. I don't. I haven't trolled the poll and only voted once. But since you asked, I voted no. I am not too keen on straight marriage either because it is only a legal document that means if one and the partner want to part, lawyers have to become involved and a property/money fight happens. If one is not married, you just say "Get the fuck out of my house"...

Which brings up one of the primary reasons for marriage - disposition of assets after dissolution. Disposition of offspring, disposition of debt. Another is disposition of these things after a spouse dies - or do you figure it should all go back to the state in the event of dissolution or death?

 

[ThaiDye]

what is bible thumping?

Bible thumping is the act of one party, generally with a holier than thou attitude, condescending toward another party based off a book of metaphors and fairy tales. Southern baptists are the worst for doing this. Westboro is a shining example of this activity while actually not being located in the south. My own idea of this also extends into the constant contradiction of themselves.
For instance the whole gay issue overall, not just marriage, being perceived as evil and blasphemous with no other logic than God said it was wrong. They can't just be up front and say I just think it's wrong without having some sort of moral high ground.

 

[canndo]

Bible thumping is the act of one party, generally with a holier than thou attitude, condescending toward another party based off a book of metaphors and fairy tales. Southern baptists are the worst for doing this. Westboro is a shining example of this activity while actually not being located in the south. My own idea of this also extends into the constant contradiction of themselves.
For instance the whole gay issue overall, not just marriage, being perceived as evil and blasphemous with no other logic than God said it was wrong. They can't just be up front and say I just think it's wrong without having some sort of moral backing.

Note also that those bible thumpers are skilled in selective thumping. They claim that the bible forbids gay marriage but neglect to mention any of the other hard fast relationship rules. Like perhaps the rule that states that divorce is unacceptable, and the one that says that if a woman's husband dies the woman is obligated to marry the man's brother (or some such nonesense). They neglect the fact that it was fairly common for some of the richer folk in the bible to have many if not dozens of wives - oh, but marriage is between one man and one woman? No, ask anyone who holds that being gay is an abomination before god if that person abides by all of the other regulations as fervently as he does this one and you will soon discover that being anti-gay has nothing to do with the bible and everything to do with hatred - something that the Christ did not much condone. If he enemy is a gay person, shall we not love him?

And lastly, Christ never said a single word about being gay. I suspect that Paul himself was gay btw.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Which brings up one of the primary reasons for marriage - disposition of assets after dissolution. Disposition of offspring, disposition of debt. Another is disposition of these things after a spouse dies - or do you figure it should all go back to the state in the event of dissolution or death?

In the event of death, I believe it is called a Will. I can will all my possessions to anyone, family or not. In my state, if I leave only one dollar to family and everything to Jane Doe, the family can not contest it. If what happens to stuff after death is an issue, you need a legal Will and that is if straight, gay, single, or married. If you don't make your wishes known, then yes, the state could get it all.

 

[ThaiDye]

Note also that those bible thumpers are skilled in selective thumping... you will soon discover that being anti-gay has nothing to do with the bible and everything to do with hatred.

Excellent point, that selective thumping you speak of is mainly what I was getting at with the contradictions they always end up at. God hates fags, but he loves every one of his creations? Yes it comes down to irrational hatred, but with the big guy on their side, they can look like a moral crusader rather than a bigot.