Cloudz2600
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Normally I would of, but because I thought these were autos I decided not to. A regular photoperiod I would of topped.
Northern Lights X BB auto & Speed Devil auto
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Flaming Pie
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Well you still got a bunch of kolas. so yay!
Cloudz2600
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Watered today with 3/4 tsp of epsom salt and 1 tbsp of molasses. Wasn't planning on adding the epsom salt until I saw how many yellow leaves I had compared to 2 days ago on the Northern Lights. I should be fine on the NPK, so I could only thing mag would be the issue. I should be fine on the mag too considering I just added lime, but who knows. I watered the Blue Mammoth with the same water. Next watering for sure will be with just molasses. When I run out of Grandma's Molasses I'm going to get some Blackstrap which apparently is the highest quality molasses. Was about $3 at the farmer's market for a 32oz(used for cooking), I haven't actually checked my local stores. FM is about 30 miles away 
Checked the triches. A little bit more cloudy than clear, but almost no amber. Checked a few buds around the top and bottom and on one of the popcorn buds on the Blue Mammoth I saw this weird purple/black stuff on it. Looks exactly like the stuff that was on one of the top bud's leaves, but I could only see it with the 60x. I cut off the popcorn bud and put it in my closet to dry. I'll check it out tomorrow as well. No other bud I checked on either plant had it. I checked about 4-5 buds top and bottom on both plants. I checked all of the tops of course. I was going to smoke it as I haven't sampled the Northern Lights and it was getting in the way anyway, but...now I don't think I will.
Few comparison picks. Apparently I couldn't into depth of field so I think the lighter looks a lot closer to the camera than the bud. The lighter is about the same size as the bud if you can't tell. The Blue Mammoth is a bit thicker than taller while the Northern Lights is a lot taller than thicker, although that one bud is getting pretty big. It barely has any space to hold it so it looks pretty thick. Did so much LSTing I'm not sure what the real top is anymore. Plant(s) smell amazing. The Northern Lights has really started sticking. Closest I can say is it's kinda skunkish, kinda sweet.
I plan to let the plants go until next Sunday, but depending of course on if the plants want to finish on schedule(which they've failed to do at every chance).
Checked the triches. A little bit more cloudy than clear, but almost no amber. Checked a few buds around the top and bottom and on one of the popcorn buds on the Blue Mammoth I saw this weird purple/black stuff on it. Looks exactly like the stuff that was on one of the top bud's leaves, but I could only see it with the 60x. I cut off the popcorn bud and put it in my closet to dry. I'll check it out tomorrow as well. No other bud I checked on either plant had it. I checked about 4-5 buds top and bottom on both plants. I checked all of the tops of course. I was going to smoke it as I haven't sampled the Northern Lights and it was getting in the way anyway, but...now I don't think I will.
Few comparison picks. Apparently I couldn't into depth of field so I think the lighter looks a lot closer to the camera than the bud. The lighter is about the same size as the bud if you can't tell. The Blue Mammoth is a bit thicker than taller while the Northern Lights is a lot taller than thicker, although that one bud is getting pretty big. It barely has any space to hold it so it looks pretty thick. Did so much LSTing I'm not sure what the real top is anymore. Plant(s) smell amazing. The Northern Lights has really started sticking. Closest I can say is it's kinda skunkish, kinda sweet.
I plan to let the plants go until next Sunday, but depending of course on if the plants want to finish on schedule(which they've failed to do at every chance).
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. Mine always lasted me a lot less longer than anticipated
Flaming Pie
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I have a dehumidifier in the basement. It is going IN the grow area when my plants reach that vulnerable age.
Cloudz2600
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Ambient humidity is 52%. I have a 10" fan bringing air in the bin, a 4" fan blowing air up inside the bin and two 4" fans blowing air out. I can't imagine humidity being any higher than my 1 ceiling fan room. When I had the acu-rite in the bin humidity never hit above 60%, that was during lights off. From what I've seen of mold it's usually white not purple even at the microscopic level. My sample lasted about a day. Smoked 4 bowls that day. I have about half a bowl left. Haven't had a chance to smoke it.
Lady.J
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I guess you've never heard of black mold
. Not saying that's what your plants have, but it's a greenish / blackish mold that can be found on plants. From your humidity numbers, it doesn't seem likely you'd have mold though. Wonder wtf it is? Maybe just dust gathering or something? Do you have something to help catch dust on your intake? Lol my samples didn't make it past one day either....something about knowing you have a lot more where it came from me thinks hehe.
Cloudz2600
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Well the stuff in these two pics look the same, but I needed a 60x instead of 30x to see the stuff on the sample I took today. I don't have anything to gather dust and it is sitting on the floor in a corner of my room, so it may be dust... I did notice a lot of dust on the exhaust fans. I only clean it like once a month though. The only reason I wouldn't assume is mold is because my humidity isn't 70%+ and I have pretty decent airflow. Most of the fan leaves are moving from the wind.I guess you've never heard of black mold
I can see how people keep taking "samples" till there is nothing left lol. I think I'll probably harvest the tops on Sunday and wait till next thursday to harvest the lower buds. Most of what I saw on the lower end of the plants was clear.
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Lady.J
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Yea it's probably just dust...I noticed all the crap on my outtake fan blades too so decided to put a stocking over the intake opening. Noticed a lot less dust after that. It's a good thing you are harvesting soon! I wonder how many more tops I would have had if I didn't keep sampling the girls
Cloudz2600
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So I decided I'm going to get Neptune's Harvest Fish and Seaweed, but the individual bottles not the combined thing for my next grow. Can get both for $32(Shipping included) cheaper than $50 from Neptune's Harvest's actual website ^_^
I had more success with organics fixing my problems than I did with synthetics so I've been converted . That and I won't need to flush. I guess I also have to pick up some Blackstrap molasses I just ran out on today's feeding. It's $25 at wal-mart(3 miles away) or $3 at the farmer's market(30 miles). Talk about paying for convince. I'll probably go to the farmer's market, because the place is awesome.
I think that's all I really need to buy besides the LED. Still not sure if a PG-180 will be too powerful and bleach the leaves in my limited space. A 12/12 plant should be a lot smaller than a 20/4 1 month veg.
EDIT: Smoked a bowl of sample of the NL, very small popcorn bud(3 1/2 bowls). Pretty high. Maintenance came over to kill some wasps nest. When they knocked on the door I thought it was game over for me lol.
I had more success with organics fixing my problems than I did with synthetics so I've been converted . That and I won't need to flush. I guess I also have to pick up some Blackstrap molasses I just ran out on today's feeding. It's $25 at wal-mart(3 miles away) or $3 at the farmer's market(30 miles). Talk about paying for convince. I'll probably go to the farmer's market, because the place is awesome.
I think that's all I really need to buy besides the LED. Still not sure if a PG-180 will be too powerful and bleach the leaves in my limited space. A 12/12 plant should be a lot smaller than a 20/4 1 month veg.
EDIT: Smoked a bowl of sample of the NL, very small popcorn bud(3 1/2 bowls). Pretty high. Maintenance came over to kill some wasps nest. When they knocked on the door I thought it was game over for me lol.
KidneyStoner420
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Cloudz, are you in the USA?
ANY local super market should sell the Molasses for under $4.
You SURE you are looking at the right stuff at Wal-Mart? Or maybe it's a huge jug of it. LOL
I used to use Neptune's Fish and Seaweed Emulsion. Stopped using it and went to FF.
Noticed a huge difference after the swap. Wait until you smell that shit. LOL
ANY local super market should sell the Molasses for under $4.
You SURE you are looking at the right stuff at Wal-Mart? Or maybe it's a huge jug of it. LOL
I used to use Neptune's Fish and Seaweed Emulsion. Stopped using it and went to FF.
Noticed a huge difference after the swap. Wait until you smell that shit. LOL
Lady.J
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He knows that molasses are cheap at wal-mart...but they carry reg unsulphered molasses and he noticed that blackstrap molasses from the farmer's market have a higher mag content and are more of a premium molasses for plants. To get those, he has to drive 30 miles (i think?) away.
Fish hydrolysate and fish emulsion are two different things....fish hydrolysate only has an odor if you put your nose up close to it. I use the fish & seaweed mix and like my plants better for it versus FF. Discovered that Grow Big is not actually organic...only the big bloom is (don't know if tiger bloom is, didn't use it). So fish & seaweed is a better option than the grow big veg nutes from the fox farm line-up when desiring an organic source of nutrients.
EDIT: The product in question is actually called Neptune's Harvest Hydrolyzed Fish and Seaweed Fertilizer. I'm not sure they actually make emulsion at all? Might be wrong but don't remember seeing it...but yea, hydrolyzed = minimal smell.
Cloudz2600
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http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=molasses&ic=16_0&Find=Find&search_constraint=0, I've smelled the fish blend. Smells like fish, but not once you add it to water and dilute it. Kelp/seaweed doesn't really stink to me.
Pretty much agree with everything Lady said. They don't make emulsion. The whole selling point is making it by using cold press. Blackstrap molasses(at least the one I saw at the farmer's market) had 25% mag, and 25% iron. Grandma's is 2% for both.
Pretty much agree with everything Lady said. They don't make emulsion. The whole selling point is making it by using cold press. Blackstrap molasses(at least the one I saw at the farmer's market) had 25% mag, and 25% iron. Grandma's is 2% for both.
Cloudz2600
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You know what,I didn't notice it was for a pack of 6. $2 more each, but it saved me a drive.
Flaming Pie
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I started my first clone. I made cloned off of NL#1. You have to have your nose damn near on her to smell anything. That's what I want. NL#2 on the other hand... she is sooooo smelly.
NL clone #1
Btw, that mat was here when I bought the house lol.
NL clone #1
Btw, that mat was here when I bought the house lol.
Cloudz2600
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Noticed the beginning of a N def on both plants(yellowing starting from inside out). More obvious on the Northern Lights, but you can see the Blue Mammoth is starting to have lighter leaves as well. Because of that I watered with 1 tbsp of molasses and 2 cap fulls of the fish blend. It's organic so I don't have to worry about flushing it out and it was in a pretty mild dose compared to the 1 oz per gallon I used to use. Gave all the yellow/yellowing leaves a light tug. Some came off just by me brushing my hand next to em. The leaves at the top are pretty good. Very yellow, but they all stuck to the plant.
Bought some Slow As Blackstrap Molasses from Publix for $4.69 for a 32oz. A 16oz at 1 tbsp per watering lasted me around 1 1/2 months. Since Blackstrap is more concentrated I'll lower it to 2 tsp(.66 of a tablespoon) and possibly even 1. Should last me a good while. I'm not going to use any synthetic fertilizer and as long as the leaves don't get really worse will continue watering with just molasses(I know I keep saying that).
Trichomes are mostly cloudy with very few amber scattered around. Didn't see a lot of clear, at least not compared to cloudy. I would say 80% are cloudy. Probably 15-18% clear and around 2% cloudy. Blue Mammoth's colas are really starting to fatten up. Still seems like the Northern Lights is going to come out on top.
Haven't bought a scale yet. Probably just going to "rent" one. I really don't want to buy one. Planning on harvesting on Sunday. Kinda falls on a odd day because that's when I'll probably need to water(every 2 days or so). I do plan on only harvesting the top colas and the larger middle buds depending on the triches. I'll probably harvest what's left on Thursday(day before I move). Not sure what's a good way to transport non dried bud, but I'll probably pack it in some tupperware/mason jars(if I decide to buy them before I leave, haven't checked wal-mart).
Besides a closet(losing my walk-in) what's a good way to dry buds? I thought about getting a shoebox or something similar in design, putting some wax paper down and putting it in there. I read that you shouldn't leave the buds on one side because the crystals may stick to the material and come off, not sure about wax paper though. I could use the grow bin I guess. Not sure how I would hang them without a bar though. Maybe tie/tape a string from one end to the other?
Bought some Slow As Blackstrap Molasses from Publix for $4.69 for a 32oz. A 16oz at 1 tbsp per watering lasted me around 1 1/2 months. Since Blackstrap is more concentrated I'll lower it to 2 tsp(.66 of a tablespoon) and possibly even 1. Should last me a good while. I'm not going to use any synthetic fertilizer and as long as the leaves don't get really worse will continue watering with just molasses(I know I keep saying that).
Trichomes are mostly cloudy with very few amber scattered around. Didn't see a lot of clear, at least not compared to cloudy. I would say 80% are cloudy. Probably 15-18% clear and around 2% cloudy. Blue Mammoth's colas are really starting to fatten up. Still seems like the Northern Lights is going to come out on top.
Haven't bought a scale yet. Probably just going to "rent" one. I really don't want to buy one. Planning on harvesting on Sunday. Kinda falls on a odd day because that's when I'll probably need to water(every 2 days or so). I do plan on only harvesting the top colas and the larger middle buds depending on the triches. I'll probably harvest what's left on Thursday(day before I move). Not sure what's a good way to transport non dried bud, but I'll probably pack it in some tupperware/mason jars(if I decide to buy them before I leave, haven't checked wal-mart).
Besides a closet(losing my walk-in) what's a good way to dry buds? I thought about getting a shoebox or something similar in design, putting some wax paper down and putting it in there. I read that you shouldn't leave the buds on one side because the crystals may stick to the material and come off, not sure about wax paper though. I could use the grow bin I guess. Not sure how I would hang them without a bar though. Maybe tie/tape a string from one end to the other?
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Lady.J
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Did you mean to say "outside in" versus "inside out"? N deficiency starts from the bottom of the plant, working it's way from the tips to the stem of the leaf. If it's starting from the inside out, it could be phosphorus or potassium deficiency. I'm not so good at distinguishing those yet....but hopefully the fish blend helps anyway since it has a little of both. I now see why it's good to have different sources of each nutrient...so if you're lacking in one (like potassium) you don't have to give the plant Nitrogen when it doesn't necessarily need it just to get it the K. I know that too much N will lockout Mag, but will it lockout the others eventually too?
As for drying, a string up in the grow bin will work perfect. I taped the ends of one up in my closet and dried the buds like that just fine. Throw your thermometer and a fan in there.....should be good to go.
As for drying, a string up in the grow bin will work perfect. I taped the ends of one up in my closet and dried the buds like that just fine. Throw your thermometer and a fan in there.....should be good to go.
Cloudz2600
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Yea I meant outside in lol. I doubt it's mag because I've added lime and epsom salt for a few waterings now. I think I added 1-3-2 four days ago and 16-10-30 a few days before that. I haven't added any N in about 2-3 weeks. That and potassium def has green veins, but yellow leaves while this is yellow all over. It's all over the plant as well, top, middle and bottom. I don't think it will lock out mag because I've had a N abundance in the Blue Mammoth for about a month now lol. Doesn't molasses have potassium in it as well?
Lady.J
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I'm confused...you said you added 1-3-2 and 16-10-30 recently but no N in 2-3 weeks? You have N in both of those nutes! If they were without N, they'd read 0-3-2 and 0-10-30. It just looks kind of odd to be Nitrogen deficiency because there are leaves at the top that are completely yellow while there are green leaves towards the bottom. Usually, by the time N deficiency has reached the top, the majority of the plant is yellow or has lost it's leaves...I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure on that.
Just found out that too much mag locks out other nutrients! Maybe you've been overdoing it with the mag treatments trying get your babies back to being healthy...I did the same when mine showed N deficiency!
But all in all...you're about to harvest so isn't really too much you can do, but good to keep in mind for next time I guess (that's if I'm even right at all, not 100% on that!)