My logical take on creation/evolution/Genesis.
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Padawanbater2
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OK, but all you provide for evidence is the bible.
If the bible said humans wouldn't be burned by fire, would you stick your hand in it to see?
If the bible said humans wouldn't be burned by fire, would you stick your hand in it to see?
Kaendar
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Of course, in order for this to work out, you have to believe in the bible as true. Which I do.
tyler.durden
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Wow. I think your illustration is missing quite a few steps between dust and that chimp. Why did god make all of these creatures without souls before Adam, did he get bored and wanted to spice things up? I'm a musician, and I think evolution happened more like this:
Edit: dont know why single is spelled with a c... typo I missed.
Kaendar
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Yea I did, its kinda hard to draw small organisms in MS paint lol.Wow. I think your illustration is missing quite a few steps between dust and that chimp. Why did god make all of these creatures without souls before Adam, did he get bored and wanted to spice things up? I'm a musician, and I think evolution happened more like this:
Doer
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Sure, I'll stipulate that is exactly what happened. I'll stipulate that before about 70,000 BCE, there were no homo sapiens. We seem to have emerged from a great extinction event, a population bottleneck that doomed all lines but one Maternal line and from that only one Paternal line made it. I'll stipulate that human story telling by memory is much more persistent and accurate than printed writing.
Such persistence, that the stories of this fantastic human good luck, could make it into writing and therefore be horribly edited. And I can easily see how Divinity could be attributed to it and create the first foundation of what later became Abrahamic tradition. But, that doesn't prove Diety. It proves that we humans are funny creatures.
If we have the bit of open mind all things in the bible and other scriptures can, quite easily be explained. All the greed for power, position, to be believed, to try to do good. It's the story of Man. We are looking at ourselves here. What we want to be. And, how we fail.
Such persistence, that the stories of this fantastic human good luck, could make it into writing and therefore be horribly edited. And I can easily see how Divinity could be attributed to it and create the first foundation of what later became Abrahamic tradition. But, that doesn't prove Diety. It proves that we humans are funny creatures.
If we have the bit of open mind all things in the bible and other scriptures can, quite easily be explained. All the greed for power, position, to be believed, to try to do good. It's the story of Man. We are looking at ourselves here. What we want to be. And, how we fail.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
A big problem with this is that there is no legitimate "in between". You are trying to take a partial Biblical interpretation (which the Bible expressly forbids) and graft it onto the body of science (which is not equipped to deal with questions of Divinity, but is equipped to provide contrast and dissent to the Bible's accounts of mundane happenings). In the process, you dishonor both houses.
I have not been able to make the dictated Biblical account square with the derived scientific one. Worse, when I studied the Bible as an independent work, it showed me internal inconsistencies that put paid to any concept of an inerrant/infallible text, which is absolutely required to accept the Bible's central claim: to be the word of a God. (Conclusion: I reject it whole.)
You'll be told this by both the stewards of the sort of hardline Protestant philosophy you've embraced, and by the curators of science which you aren't representing well either:
you can't DO that.
My opinion. cn
Kaendar
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Who cares what nutty people say? Non-theists are always saying shit like oh how did god create man from dust. Heres my answer. Take it or leave it.. its not that far fetched and I would put money on it being true.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Which nutty people?
My principal point here, which you have elected to ignore, is that you cannot have it both ways. You seem to lean more toward the Biblical than the scientific, so I'm biasing my analysis to the Biblical. And by the book's own rules:
you can't DO that. cn
Kaendar
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Just did....
Padawanbater2
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Would you bet your life on it?
Kaendar
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Only you would come out with something like that lol.. life isnt a gamble, so no.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Saying so doesn't make it so. Having your facts straight ... it matters. cn
Padawanbater2
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shrxhky420
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Kaendar is a nut who cares what he says??? stay high
Hepheastus420
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How is it logical to assume we have a soul?
Doer
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There is little doubt our human bodies are wet dust. Star dust. But, it cannot be said how the wet dust started organizing electrical signals. So, there is no answer to Life. Cells divide, but at some un-known point, re-animation ceases to be possible, by current means.
Why alive? Why not? We don't know. That part is not dust. However, the perception of the human mind cannot be attributed to Deity nearly as easily as Deity can be attributed simply, to the human mind. I think it is a good thing. We are it. We have Perception. We are Creators.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That part may be dust as well. We don't know at this time. But I find the concept of spontaneous biogenesis ...appealing. It would support my belief that life is chemistry with ambition. cn
eye exaggerate
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reen, yeh... Are you saying that chemistry is the vehicle for ambition? I think some people say that God is 'desire'. I find it neat that when all else is stripped away, what is left is 'desire'. Sounds a little like ambition to me
