yeah the yield and structure are how one can tell if it is a true pre 98 and not something like a GHS bubba kush from seed. i know this from experience. the other giveaway is the frost production but that as many will tell you is primarily up to the grower.
AZ dispensary owners are clueless
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BeaverHuntr
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I always thought that Pre-98 was a low yielder any ways kind of like OG strains. I have seen cuts in Cali called " high yielding bubba"
hiluxphantom
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100 plants eh? thats how much i would have in a flower room if i had the cash but then again alot of that would be breeding projects and probably not in this country.... slap up a 60plant aeroflo with expansion under 4 1000s maybe? veg room would have 2 3x6 tables or 4x8 under a few 600s and maybe even a 2nd flowering room with hortilux blues. and a pretty heavy t5 setup for clones... maybe just get leds. get that on a good continuous harvest 10 plants every week assuming 12 week flower period. do you still get a few ounces per plant on sog? its not impossible to make enough to supply probably subcontracted out to different locations... i honestly doubt any place has under 100plants though. needs maybe 200gal of nutirents every 1-2 weeks powerbill
1000+month utilities
1300for aero2
2000 for 4 aircooled maxx reflectors with lights probably
up to 500 for fan for light venting in flower room
500 for each room in fans
1000$ for a few months worth of nutes?
750 for evolution1000 ro and prefilter
500 for grow room controller
1200 for lighting in vegroom with fans probably
1500 per airconditioners
500 forTitan Controls Selene 2 CO2 Generator(I totally spaced that i was like gonna need some co2. totally forgot)
1000 for all the various controllers and bits
so probably 10-15grand per facility?
I dunno i wanna put that stuff in a storage container now for the ultimate grow box
1000+month utilities
1300for aero2
2000 for 4 aircooled maxx reflectors with lights probably
up to 500 for fan for light venting in flower room
500 for each room in fans
1000$ for a few months worth of nutes?
750 for evolution1000 ro and prefilter
500 for grow room controller
1200 for lighting in vegroom with fans probably
1500 per airconditioners
500 forTitan Controls Selene 2 CO2 Generator(I totally spaced that i was like gonna need some co2. totally forgot)
1000 for all the various controllers and bits
so probably 10-15grand per facility?
I dunno i wanna put that stuff in a storage container now for the ultimate grow box
BeaverHuntr
Well-Known Member
You left out Co2 costs. Operations that big need co2 enrichment.
Lucius Vorenus
Well-Known Member
The Pre98 yield as well as you want it to IMO. I find the buds grow like little Golf Balls. Ultra dense and in abundance. If you veg it 4-5 weeks you can easily get a 3-4z plant out of it.
AzCannaMan
Active Member
Not possible, each dispensary can only have 1 off site grow location. There goes that idea.
Once again, each dispensary is only allowed 1 grow location. ONE.
One offsite location they may also grow on site at the dispensary if they choose to do so.
HB DC
Active Member
The city of Phoenix is not allowing marijuana to be grown and dispensed at the same location! Others might follow!
KAL EL
Well-Known Member
Well that's just common sense. If you grow where you dispense all the thieves in AZ know where your grow is.
AzCannaMan
Active Member
Exactly, so if you are in the City of Phoenix you must have your offsite grow in an industrial area. Either A1 or A2 zoned, you can only have 1 grow location, and it can no be the same location as the dispensary.
If you wanted to have even 10 strains which I think would be minimal for a good dispensary, I'd rather see 12 -20 choices, maybe some staples always in stock and some flavors that are seasonal or rotate. So you would have anywhere between 10 to 25 mother plants alone depending if you have 1 or 2 moms per strain which would be good.
So there is no way you could remain under 100 plants at the only offsite grow location allowed and have enough to supply a good dispensary with 10 to 20 flavors on hand at all times.
J9BLACK
Active Member
Isn't this 'cluelessness' just speculation?
These guys are smart enough to put together a business plan, obtain VC, and complete an application probably much tougher than a mortgage application.
Isn't the only difference between loving dispensaries and not-- the vile 25 mile rule? The eventual eradication of which should already be factored into the dispensaries' strategic plan?
These guys are smart enough to put together a business plan, obtain VC, and complete an application probably much tougher than a mortgage application.
Isn't the only difference between loving dispensaries and not-- the vile 25 mile rule? The eventual eradication of which should already be factored into the dispensaries' strategic plan?
1337hacker
Active Member
Why would they plan to erradicate a law that effects their bottom line?
J9BLACK
Active Member
I don't expect the dispensaries are in favor of the 25-mile rule being tossed by the courts, but I would expect they are prepared for it.
At the end of the day, it's not up to the dispensaries ("Big Farma"?) to decide whether the 25-mile rule will stand. For that reason (that it's out of their control), they'd better be prepared.
This is the ol' argument between democrats and republicans. Democrats see the pie as finite--meaning, the dispensaries will force the small operators out of business. Republicans see the pie as one that should be expanded and grown--meaning, the dispensaries should compete and possibly complement the individual and caregiver grows. Competition breeds excellence, and the opening of dispensaries can really only EXPAND the number of qualified patients as cannabis consumption becomes more socially acceptable. Budweiser has not crushed the craft brewers. The 25-mile rule is unconstitutional, therefore will be tossed.
Quote me. In one year, we'll still be able to legally grow and dispensaries will be open but struggling.
At the end of the day, it's not up to the dispensaries ("Big Farma"?) to decide whether the 25-mile rule will stand. For that reason (that it's out of their control), they'd better be prepared.
This is the ol' argument between democrats and republicans. Democrats see the pie as finite--meaning, the dispensaries will force the small operators out of business. Republicans see the pie as one that should be expanded and grown--meaning, the dispensaries should compete and possibly complement the individual and caregiver grows. Competition breeds excellence, and the opening of dispensaries can really only EXPAND the number of qualified patients as cannabis consumption becomes more socially acceptable. Budweiser has not crushed the craft brewers. The 25-mile rule is unconstitutional, therefore will be tossed.
Quote me. In one year, we'll still be able to legally grow and dispensaries will be open but struggling.
1337hacker
Active Member
I hope you are right, dispensary owners are already gearing up to grow a lot and go to war with caregivers and clubs, we'll have to wait and see
HB DC
Active Member
Under State Law there is NO restriction on the number of plants a dispensary can grow; hence, the reason the FEDs are going the shut down this Fucking AzMMJ Program ran by the Az department of Health!
Such a monopoly can be done with Our water and even Our electricity but not Our Medicine!!
Personal consumption can not be stopped!! It is a Medical Necessity!!
The "25 Mile Rule" will not be an issue for patients! It will see its day in court! It is one of the few things making the Act completely unconstitutional! If the constitutionality aspect of the Act is avoided the "25 Mile Rule" would have to go! Along with Dispensary Licenses, Patient Authorization to Cultivate, Caregiver 's Authorization To Cultivate and any other Statue that gives Powers to the State which are in complete violation of the Federal Government!
The State CAN NOT authorize a Patient, Caregiver, Dispensary, or a Dispensary Agent to Cultivate! This is the issue with the Act!
Look at Cali... The Doctor recommends a patient or their caregiver to cultivate.... The State has no say so; they simply decriminalized all aspects of marijuana for patients and their caregivers!
oghost
Member
i concur, with the exception of the dispensaries struggling- i still think there will be plenty of patients that can't/don't want to grow and prefer to just go the store. i would love to see both cultivators and dispensaries flourish. the market is certainly large enough.
AzCannaMan
Active Member
Trust me bro, I know there is no limit. The only reason I mentioned it was the FEDERAL minimum sentences incase anyone here isn't aware who has a Dispensary Registration Allocation Certificate (the rest of you need not worry about it most likley?)
There is a five-year mandatory minimum for cultivation of 100 plants or possession of 100kg.
There is a ten-year mandatory minimum for these offenses if the defendant has a prior felony drug conviction.
Cultivation or possession of 1000kg or 1000 plants triggers a ten-year mandatory minimum, with a twenty-year mandatory sentence if the defendant has one prior felony drug conviction, and a life sentence with two prior felony drug convictions.
To avoid a five-year mandatory minimum, it is advisable to stay well below 100 plants, including any rooted cuttings or clones.
Staying below 100 plants is not even possible for a dispensary to be able to supply itself reasonably...
AzCannaMan
Active Member
What do you guys think of labeling each room at the grow location with an owner (who of course would be a legit dispensary agent). It would take several rooms, figure maybe 90 plants per room. Have 1 room for each dispensary agent, all labeled accordingly, that way no 1 agent would have claim to more than however many plants in each corresponding room?
Or if you had 6 growers for example, including part time ones, each grower would have 1 space that was "theirs" containing way less than the 100 plants. There must be a viable loophole...... somehow......
Or if you had 6 growers for example, including part time ones, each grower would have 1 space that was "theirs" containing way less than the 100 plants. There must be a viable loophole...... somehow......
My calculations suggest 300-500 plants for a busy dispensary. Because of how the state set stuff up, the dispensaries are going to be standing out like a sore thumb.
I'm guessing the feds wait for two harvests then come in and shut down a dozen to scare the rest out of business.
Net effect is that patients get fucked. See how long it takes you to get your authorized to cultivate endorsement back after your local dispensary winds up in court.
25 mile rule is bullshit. The law as written is basically unworkable bullshit.
I'm guessing the feds wait for two harvests then come in and shut down a dozen to scare the rest out of business.
Net effect is that patients get fucked. See how long it takes you to get your authorized to cultivate endorsement back after your local dispensary winds up in court.
25 mile rule is bullshit. The law as written is basically unworkable bullshit.
AzCannaMan
Active Member
True that, there are so many fucked up conundrums in the law, and the state is regulating it so tightly, something is bound to break loose.
Hopefully CO legalizes it FULLY LIKE ALCOHOL this November then I think our little medical system will be the least of the Feds worries.
Furthermore the court hearing to move Marijuana off the schedule 1 drug list is coming up, I believe this month it starts. It's been on hold over a decade now and the fucking government has just been delaying not letting it get it's day in court. Well guess what, they got sued, and lost. Now we get our day in court and there is WAYYYYY more medical scientific evidence now than there was then that it has medical benefits.
If it moves from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2 I'll grow as much as I please... with no fear of anything.
Every day and year we get closer to legalization... Sooner or later the federal government is going to have to address all these states having conflicting medical marijuana laws. How much longer can they really continue this silly charade? In 8 years or less more than half the states will have MMJ. How can they just keep ignoring it?