Outlawing guns is pointless and only hurts law abiding citizens

[fdd2blk]

I'm on a tablet using a touch screen keyboard, and not proof reading. Boohoo. Great response though, you really changed peoples minds. You really are a jackass you know, yo need to get this "I'm perfect" notion out of your head, I think countless people have put this point across to you in recent history. If you are incapable of noticing the mistakes yet understand what I had meant, then well sod it, you're bloody retarded Hey, I can sink to your level if you like. I'd rather be unable to type than be unable to stay out of prison.

Come up with a mature response next time if you can't handle the notion of your laws being flawed.

you make statements such as this "you people are so ignorant, it it highly amusing. "

yet you can't even proof read your own posts. make it about me though.

oh, another prison joke. nice way to show your true colors.

"mature response". oh the irony.

 

[tip top toker]

Its equally nice to see your true colours

And my response was not mature, or did you not notice my statement of sinking to your level

 

[cannabineer]

we need to require kids to pack heat. tragedy prevented, right gun nuts?

Be practical, man. They're kids. They only need to pack warmth. cn

 

[desert dude]

i understand your point of view, and as with most complicated subjects i think banning/criminalizing is the worst way, but the fact of the matter is the US has a huge problem with gun violence.
Outlawing is ridiculous but much more control is needed. For instance, i see no point in being able to buy an AK-47 in a country like the US. seriously.

In China, a man slashed 22 children this yesterday but not not one of them died. Like this guy at CNN posted "School shootings in America are a product both of mad people and bad laws." We have to put more effort on finding these deranged people but the laws make it way too easy for them.

Sources:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/14/opinion/zuckerman-connecticut-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story

Violent crime is at forty year lows in the US. The US violent crime rate is not even in the top ten when compared to European countries. You cannot buy an AK47 in the US. Maybe it is just a terminology mistake on your part but an "AK47" is a fully automatic military assault rifle and is illegal in the US.

So, the fact of the matter is that the US DOES NOT have a huge problem with gun violence.

 

[cannabineer]

i understand your point of view, and as with most complicated subjects i think banning/criminalizing is the worst way, but the fact of the matter is the US has a huge problem with gun violence.
Outlawing is ridiculous but much more control is needed. For instance, i see no point in being able to buy an AK-47 in a country like the US. seriously.

In China, a man slashed 22 children this yesterday but not not one of them died. Like this guy at CNN posted "School shootings in America are a product both of mad people and bad laws." We have to put more effort on finding these deranged people but the laws make it way too easy for them.

Sources:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/14/opinion/zuckerman-connecticut-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story

You cannot buy an AK-47 anywhere in the States. The proper AK is an assault weapon: it has a select-fire provision. In the States, only semiautomatic copies are available. I exaggerate very slightly. There are a few full-auto guns "grandfathered" under Federal regs, but they are very expensive collector's items whenever one comes to market. cn

<edit> lol. DDude said it also.

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

So, the fact of the matter is that the US DOES NOT have a huge problem with gun violence.

It's scary how limited your brain is. It really is.

 

[cannabineer]

It's scary how limited your brain is. It really is.

Do you disagree that there's a tremendous push in the media to make the equation Guns = Violence generally accepted? cn

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

Do you disagree that there's a tremendous push in the media to make the equation Guns = Violence generally accepted? cn

If anything it's quite the opposite. Anytime someone in the media speaks out against guns they are chastised by gun nuts. Just look at Bob Costas.

 

[cannabineer]

If anything it's quite the opposite. Anytime someone in the media speaks out against guns they are chastised by gun nuts. Just look at Bob Costas.

We see this differently. When the evening news uses a handgun as the generic symbol for any crime/violence story, with or without guns, I see the fix as being in. cn

 

[fdd2blk]

Its equally nice to see your true colours

And my response was not mature, or did you not notice my statement of sinking to your level

i noticed the irony of you calling people "ignorant" when you can't even spell correctly. that's all i noticed. well, that and you getting all butthurt over it.

 

[Logges]

Violent crime is at forty year lows in the US. The US violent crime rate is not even in the top ten when compared to European countries. You cannot buy an AK47 in the US. Maybe it is just a terminology mistake on your part but an "AK47" is a fully automatic military assault rifle and is illegal in the US.

So, the fact of the matter is that the US DOES NOT have a huge problem with gun violence.

You cannot buy an AK-47 anywhere in the States. The proper AK is an assault weapon: it has a select-fire provision. In the States, only semiautomatic copies are available. I exaggerate very slightly. There are a few full-auto guns "grandfathered" under Federal regs, but they are very expensive collector's items whenever one comes to market. cn

<edit> lol. DDude said it also.

So you can't buy the full auto version. Got it. I know somebody with a legal AK-47 so pardon my knowledge if I didn't know it was not the true version.
But can you see my point that there are guns available that completely surpass their purpose, inside the US?
It makes me think of the "I'll get a bigger car because somebody else might hit my car with a big car"

Violent crime is different from mass murdering fuck-heads. Very different.
I don't live in the US and i did live a couple of years and try and see this from the outside. You do have a gun problem.

Don't get me wrong I think gun laws are a problem, but school shootings are a sign of a bigger social problem.

 

[cannabineer]

So you can't buy the full auto version. Got it. I know somebody with a legal AK-47 so pardon my knowledge if I didn't know it was not the true version.
But can you see my point that there are guns available that completely surpass their purpose, inside the US?
It makes me think of the "I'll get a bigger car because somebody else might hit my car with a big car"

Violent crime is different from mass murdering fuck-heads. Very different.
I don't live in the US and i did live a couple of years and try and see this from the outside. You do have a gun problem.

Don't get me wrong I think gun laws are a problem, but school shootings are a sign of a bigger social problem.

I think part of the problem is in assigning to guns an inflexible purpose. A strong argument can be made that the public ownership of guns is the last defense against tyranny. If you accept that, then the neutered AKs you can get here fall short of it. I reject the idea that hunting and sport are the totality of civilized, permissible purposes for having and using a gun.

There will always be school shootings, and should all guns somehow disappear from civilian hands, school stabbings etc. Mass murders in public places are spectacular and as such excellent fodder for antigun journalists. I would be interested on your take in re the bigger social problem, and how to address it without throwing out the baby (gun rights) with the bathwater (seeking public safety). cn

 

[deprave]

even if there weren&#8217;t guns, there is these things, sticks and knives...but the fact is ..there is guns..lots of them..and they aren't going anywhere

 

[fdd2blk]

there is no way to completely rid the US of all of it's guns. there is simply too many of them already out there.

 

[Logges]

Violent crime is at forty year lows in the US. The US violent crime rate is not even in the top ten when compared to European countries. You cannot buy an AK47 in the US. Maybe it is just a terminology mistake on your part but an "AK47" is a fully automatic military assault rifle and is illegal in the US.

So, the fact of the matter is that the US DOES NOT have a huge problem with gun violence.

I think part of the problem is in assigning to guns an inflexible purpose. A strong argument can be made that the public ownership of guns is the last defense against tyranny. If you accept that, then the neutered AKs you can get here fall short of it. I reject the idea that hunting and sport are the totality of civilized, permissible purposes for having and using a gun.

There will always be school shootings, and should all guns somehow disappear from civilian hands, school stabbings etc. Mass murders in public places are spectacular and as such excellent fodder for antigun journalists. I would be interested on your take in re the bigger social problem, and how to address it without throwing out the baby (gun rights) with the bathwater (seeking public safety). cn

True, guns shouldn't be assigned a stiff purpose. I think it resides more on firepower/rate of fire/caliber. I tread lightly on these grounds however.

The bigger issues I think are things like dissolving family bonds, personalism (not the phylosophic current but the fuck-the-rest kind), materialism and I could go on and on because every problem we have as a society creates different consequences here and there. Generally speaking, I think this society is turning too cold. The US in general has the keep-your-distance stance well entrenched.

Not trying to start another argument (on your take on defense against tyranny); but the bigger gun seldom wins freedom.

 

[NLXSK1]

there is no way to completely rid the US of all of it's guns. there is simply too many of them already out there.

There really has never been a discussion of completely removing all the guns.

The discussion has always been removing guns from people who are not part of the government...

I cant see American cops armed with billy clubs going against the Chicago gangs...

 

[cannabineer]

True, guns shouldn't be assigned a stiff purpose. I think it resides more on firepower/rate of fire/caliber. I tread lightly on these grounds however.

The bigger issues I think are things like dissolving family bonds, personalism (not the phylosophic current but the fuck-the-rest kind), materialism and I could go on and on because every problem we have as a society creates different consequences here and there. Generally speaking, I think this society is turning too cold. The US in general has the keep-your-distance stance well entrenched.

Not trying to start another argument (on your take on defense against tyranny); but the bigger gun seldom wins freedom.

I share your sentiment about not starting another argument.
I do agree about the social and individual anomie. Imo it's common to the entire Western world and not just the USA.
I worry that it is a sign of a decadence so profound that guns or not guns will have only a surface effect when <not yet known> hits the fan. Jmo. cn

 

[fdd2blk]

There really has never been a discussion of completely removing all the guns.

The discussion has always been removing guns from people who are not part of the government...

I cant see American cops armed with billy clubs going against the Chicago gangs...

i was referring to the "general population". sorry for the confusion.

 

[NLXSK1]

i was referring to the "general population". sorry for the confusion.

It is just funny how people view things... Not like any government employee ever went off with weapons (*cough Ft. Hood)...

 

[NoDrama]

I winder why its so easy for criminals to obtain guns illegally, oh wait, that's right, because they're so readily available to buy or buy and pass in, there is a reason so few crimes committed in other countries involve guns. If a criminal doesn't think the victims will carry a gun mist of the the time the criminal will not bother taking one with him. Why increase the punishment if caused ht for no reason, your demand for legal guns are the cause for their illegal guns, you people are so ignorant, it it highly amusing.

Its super super super easy to get guns LEGALLY, I don't see why anyone would need to get one illegally unless they are a former Felon or don't have the scratch to afford one and resort to theft.
I can go to my neighbors and buy a gun from him with cash and never tell anyone I did it. Totally legal. Go to a gun show and buy a used gun with no background check, nothing except cash and a gun. LEGAL!