Hans Panel 56w triband led(65w total)>VS<Indagro 100 full spec induction(105w)+FIGHT!
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THE KONASSURE
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Yeah thicker glass would also drop the uvb output fair point on that one.
Still all the data I`ve seen surgest`s that as the size of the unit increases the efficiency go`s up too, but I had not considered the extra glass thickness as I`d assumed it would be strong enough at it`s current thickness.
One small correction
The main reason induction lighting was developed was because we were blessed to have a man live called Tesla who was not a fucking idiot who just wanted to use electricity to make money and rip people off.
When dealing with any lighting company never forget that most of the early ones were power company's and they were more then happy to rip us off with incandescent lights for well over 100 years.
Printed in 1929 a statement by Tesla note that he states having an induction light "brought out" 38 years ago just the money the power company's would have lost by the public switching to induction over 100 years ago is more then enough of a reason to question if he was indeed murdered.
As such I only believe one thing when it comes to anything that Tesla invented, I believe what I can confirm with my eye`s and test meters and nothing more still the thicker glass was not something I had factored in, is it really needed.
I mean they say he had an electric car that could do 90mph and never needed charging too I take that with a pinch of salt but there`s so much to do with electricity that has not been taught to us at school.
I know that in reality the induction lights we used were only finished around the year 2000 but they could have been done years earlier if we`d not wasted 100 years on useless incandescents and then made the change to halogen what a waste of time that was.
Anyway paste quote and post time
"Surely, my system is more important than the incandescent lamp, which is but one of the known electric illuminating devices and admittedly not the best. Although greatly improved through chemical and metallurgical advances and skill of artisans it is still inefficient, and the glaring filament emits hurtful rays responsible for millions of bald heads and spoiled eyes. In my opinion, it will soon be superseded by the electrodeless vacuum tube which I brought out thirty-eight years ago, a lamp much more economical and yielding a light of indescribable beauty and softness."
Still all the data I`ve seen surgest`s that as the size of the unit increases the efficiency go`s up too, but I had not considered the extra glass thickness as I`d assumed it would be strong enough at it`s current thickness.
One small correction
The main reason induction lighting was developed was because we were blessed to have a man live called Tesla who was not a fucking idiot who just wanted to use electricity to make money and rip people off.
When dealing with any lighting company never forget that most of the early ones were power company's and they were more then happy to rip us off with incandescent lights for well over 100 years.
Printed in 1929 a statement by Tesla note that he states having an induction light "brought out" 38 years ago just the money the power company's would have lost by the public switching to induction over 100 years ago is more then enough of a reason to question if he was indeed murdered.
As such I only believe one thing when it comes to anything that Tesla invented, I believe what I can confirm with my eye`s and test meters and nothing more still the thicker glass was not something I had factored in, is it really needed.
I mean they say he had an electric car that could do 90mph and never needed charging too I take that with a pinch of salt but there`s so much to do with electricity that has not been taught to us at school.
I know that in reality the induction lights we used were only finished around the year 2000 but they could have been done years earlier if we`d not wasted 100 years on useless incandescents and then made the change to halogen what a waste of time that was.
Anyway paste quote and post time
"Surely, my system is more important than the incandescent lamp, which is but one of the known electric illuminating devices and admittedly not the best. Although greatly improved through chemical and metallurgical advances and skill of artisans it is still inefficient, and the glaring filament emits hurtful rays responsible for millions of bald heads and spoiled eyes. In my opinion, it will soon be superseded by the electrodeless vacuum tube which I brought out thirty-eight years ago, a lamp much more economical and yielding a light of indescribable beauty and softness."
chazbolin
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Hey K! I'm also a huge Tesla fan and feel that his contributions to humankind have been woefully under reported. This is a link you may find interesting;
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1omHz...ncy/web/1012/war-of-current/transparency.jpg/
What I like about what Tesla/EFDL left us is that phosphors, in an electrodeless vacuum utilizing an inert gas like argon and a small amount of mercury, relative to HID, inherently offer benefits such as long term spectrum/intensity stability over a bevy of other options for garden lighting that deliver optimum indoor plant development at a fraction of the wattage and lamp replacement costs of HID. What I like about LED is that these spectrum's may be further enhanced where phosphors come up short and specific triggers such as maintaining a 420nm wavelength (??) at the sleep cycle and the current inda-gro Pfr switch with 730nm diodes is taking advantage of the very best these technologies have to offer.
When you consider how much energy is lost to heat with HID lamps and how relatively inefficient the *sun is in consistently meeting the crops optimum DLI I suspect Tesla might be looking down on us and with a wry smile is thinking by gawd Edison I think your HID days are finally numbered.
*100% sunlight → non-bioavailable photons waste is 47%, leaving
53% (in the 400–700 nm range) → 30% of photons are lost due to incomplete absorption, leaving
37% (absorbed photon energy) → 24% is lost due to wavelength-mismatch degradation to 700 nm energy, leaving
28.2% (sunlight energy collected by chlorophyl) → 32% efficient conversion of ATP and NADPH to d-glucose, leaving
9% (collected as sugar) → 35–40% of sugar is recycled/consumed by the leaf in dark and photo-respiration, leaving
5.4% net leaf efficiency.
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1omHz...ncy/web/1012/war-of-current/transparency.jpg/
What I like about what Tesla/EFDL left us is that phosphors, in an electrodeless vacuum utilizing an inert gas like argon and a small amount of mercury, relative to HID, inherently offer benefits such as long term spectrum/intensity stability over a bevy of other options for garden lighting that deliver optimum indoor plant development at a fraction of the wattage and lamp replacement costs of HID. What I like about LED is that these spectrum's may be further enhanced where phosphors come up short and specific triggers such as maintaining a 420nm wavelength (??) at the sleep cycle and the current inda-gro Pfr switch with 730nm diodes is taking advantage of the very best these technologies have to offer.
When you consider how much energy is lost to heat with HID lamps and how relatively inefficient the *sun is in consistently meeting the crops optimum DLI I suspect Tesla might be looking down on us and with a wry smile is thinking by gawd Edison I think your HID days are finally numbered.
*100% sunlight → non-bioavailable photons waste is 47%, leaving
53% (in the 400–700 nm range) → 30% of photons are lost due to incomplete absorption, leaving
37% (absorbed photon energy) → 24% is lost due to wavelength-mismatch degradation to 700 nm energy, leaving
28.2% (sunlight energy collected by chlorophyl) → 32% efficient conversion of ATP and NADPH to d-glucose, leaving
9% (collected as sugar) → 35–40% of sugar is recycled/consumed by the leaf in dark and photo-respiration, leaving
5.4% net leaf efficiency.
THE KONASSURE
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Thanks Chaz cool link
Well lets not knock the sun too much almost all the energy on the planet came from the sun
Did you know that in something like 1 second the sun emits more energy then all the energy on earth ? It`s really amazing that we still have not used solar power properly yet as it`s totally free.
But we do use solar power all the time too, we burn wood for heat and build things from wood, hell anything we eat comes from energy that almost certainly came from the sun we are solar powered all of us.
I think plants are pretty much the best solar panels on the planet all we have to do is develop a plant that can produce electricity and we are sorted....... lol
I mean many people use molasses or honey over chemical feeds and there made by nature mostly so why don`t we just come up with a system like that to make power ?
Maybe hamster wheels that power a generator is not the best system but it could work lol
I really hate Edison and his bullshit you know that a few years ago 100w incandescent light bulbs were outlawed for domestic use in the EU and everyone ran to the shops to buy them all, but no one seams to want to even try to use a 105w cfl when we all know one of them kicks the ass of a 100w incandescent.
It`s all realted to that early tech war all of it, why early power grids were DC and all that
Still I`d have loved to see Tesla`s electric car, was it western electric that owed him ton`s of money for the AC system patients ? You know it was a fortune and he just let them off of it
It reminds me of the internet how the guy that made it never took a patient out on it because he wanted everyone to be able to use it and how much that has changed the world, well surely Tesla giving away all them AC power patients is just as big of a deal otherwise that plug that powers your computer would not be in your home in the 1st place.
The guy really does not get the credit he should also there`s so many patients of his that people have not read the potential technology that we could be missing out on is huge.
It`s taken over 100 years but I think he`s finally starting to win the tech war.
Jeeze here I got car jacking PSU again lol
Oh I had 2 of the 3 pumps I`m waiting for show up today so by next week I should be able to get 2 dwc boxes set up and a vegging aeroponics to get everything I don`t want to flower off my top tech, I`ll post some pics then and maybe just maybe start my own thread when the girls start to flower, just struggling with time seen as work want to give me sod all hours but want me to work 5 days instead of 4 like I used to.
Well lets not knock the sun too much almost all the energy on the planet came from the sun
Did you know that in something like 1 second the sun emits more energy then all the energy on earth ? It`s really amazing that we still have not used solar power properly yet as it`s totally free.
But we do use solar power all the time too, we burn wood for heat and build things from wood, hell anything we eat comes from energy that almost certainly came from the sun we are solar powered all of us.
I think plants are pretty much the best solar panels on the planet all we have to do is develop a plant that can produce electricity and we are sorted....... lol
I mean many people use molasses or honey over chemical feeds and there made by nature mostly so why don`t we just come up with a system like that to make power ?
Maybe hamster wheels that power a generator is not the best system but it could work lol
I really hate Edison and his bullshit you know that a few years ago 100w incandescent light bulbs were outlawed for domestic use in the EU and everyone ran to the shops to buy them all, but no one seams to want to even try to use a 105w cfl when we all know one of them kicks the ass of a 100w incandescent.
It`s all realted to that early tech war all of it, why early power grids were DC and all that
Still I`d have loved to see Tesla`s electric car, was it western electric that owed him ton`s of money for the AC system patients ? You know it was a fortune and he just let them off of it
It reminds me of the internet how the guy that made it never took a patient out on it because he wanted everyone to be able to use it and how much that has changed the world, well surely Tesla giving away all them AC power patients is just as big of a deal otherwise that plug that powers your computer would not be in your home in the 1st place.
The guy really does not get the credit he should also there`s so many patients of his that people have not read the potential technology that we could be missing out on is huge.
It`s taken over 100 years but I think he`s finally starting to win the tech war.
Jeeze here I got car jacking PSU again lol
Oh I had 2 of the 3 pumps I`m waiting for show up today so by next week I should be able to get 2 dwc boxes set up and a vegging aeroponics to get everything I don`t want to flower off my top tech, I`ll post some pics then and maybe just maybe start my own thread when the girls start to flower, just struggling with time seen as work want to give me sod all hours but want me to work 5 days instead of 4 like I used to.
foreverflyhi
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Well said !!!!!!!!! Never thought of us as solar powered
TechnoMage
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So I was looking around on the Inda-Gro website and don't see anything about replacement bulbs, they only seem to sell whole fixtures. Are the bulbs replaceable? How much do they cost?
THE KONASSURE
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Inda-gro`s tubes are made to order by someone in china I think they certainly are not made by them or made in the USA
They maybe the only people that get the exact tubes they use as they may be made under licence for them, but if one needed a replacement tube it would only be a matter of contacting inda-gro or the company that makes inda-gro tubes.
I had to get a replacement tube for a lamp I have I contacted the company in china that made the light and managed to get a 3000k one instead of the 5000k one it came with, put the lamp together myself and it`s working well, they did send the replacement lamp with 2 new inducers on it that saved me a bit of hassle
So if anyone needs a set of inducers ever for a 200w rectangle tube just pm me, saying that unless your break the tube it should be able to run non stop for around 5 years before you`d notice the loss of output and in an ideal world it should keep working for something like 12 years by then they`ll be some other type of new super grow light I`m sure lol.
They maybe the only people that get the exact tubes they use as they may be made under licence for them, but if one needed a replacement tube it would only be a matter of contacting inda-gro or the company that makes inda-gro tubes.
I had to get a replacement tube for a lamp I have I contacted the company in china that made the light and managed to get a 3000k one instead of the 5000k one it came with, put the lamp together myself and it`s working well, they did send the replacement lamp with 2 new inducers on it that saved me a bit of hassle
So if anyone needs a set of inducers ever for a 200w rectangle tube just pm me, saying that unless your break the tube it should be able to run non stop for around 5 years before you`d notice the loss of output and in an ideal world it should keep working for something like 12 years by then they`ll be some other type of new super grow light I`m sure lol.
TechnoMage
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Hmm, I may need to send them some mail. According to their site they say that at almost 7 years of use only seeing a 10% driver failure. Does that mean a 10% reduction of light or can the drivers also decay? I tend to replace my HPS bulb every 1-1.5 years which I'm not really sure is an option with this system or even desirable.
Bumping Spheda
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http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/issues/2009/may/theartificialleaf.aspTHE KONASSURE said:
People have been working on that for a long time. Some interesting developments have taken place more recently. What I really like about this is it converts sunlight almost directly into hydrogen and oxygen. We already have an infrastructure for transporting natural gas and it's very very cheap. There's no loss of energy through transport, just pump it through a pipe and voila, into the fuel cell it goes.
THE KONASSURE
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what I think they mean is a 10% chance of total failure of the driver
Induction lamps and leds as well as cfls, fl`s and hps all suffer a loss of light emitted over time, I think I recall that induction lights only lose around a max of 30% and the lose most of that in the last 50% of their life span`s it might even be less then 30%, leds lose less I think but what with drivers, fans and all the other bits they are more likely to develop another problem cause a failure or lower light levels but most lights are more then usable for 3 to 5 years that`s continus use too so maybe 12 years of growing till you notice the output difference making a drop in yield or quality.
I`d assume I`d have new lights in about 2 or 3 years but my current lights will probably end up in another grow or something like my last lot did, that keeps reminding me I should change who has them as I`d see more return changing who I`ve lent them too as the guy who`s using them now has been pretty tight on sharing the bud he`s grown with them and we are talking about 600w of led`s so he has to be pulling in a decent amount of extra crop using them.
Induction lamps and leds as well as cfls, fl`s and hps all suffer a loss of light emitted over time, I think I recall that induction lights only lose around a max of 30% and the lose most of that in the last 50% of their life span`s it might even be less then 30%, leds lose less I think but what with drivers, fans and all the other bits they are more likely to develop another problem cause a failure or lower light levels but most lights are more then usable for 3 to 5 years that`s continus use too so maybe 12 years of growing till you notice the output difference making a drop in yield or quality.
I`d assume I`d have new lights in about 2 or 3 years but my current lights will probably end up in another grow or something like my last lot did, that keeps reminding me I should change who has them as I`d see more return changing who I`ve lent them too as the guy who`s using them now has been pretty tight on sharing the bud he`s grown with them and we are talking about 600w of led`s so he has to be pulling in a decent amount of extra crop using them.
PSUAGRO.
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Depends on your situation if the switch is worth it, but you will get your return on investment cause of the lower watts/longevity and lessened cooling demands if you don't break the bulb
I barely graduated with a BS in AG business/ very easy major too
............people would be shocked at what the USDA considers "safe"/food crop pesticides/fungicides/herbicides. Not proud of some of the things we applied, but It was a balance of love for growing and profit margins....Not to mention the scary long hot showers afterwards(sounds gay
but it's about the "colorful" chemical runoff's from the skin)...This makes sense to me...........that's why RO came out with all these new powdered/granular guanos recently. They need to adjust their feeding recommendations for the uprising line; growers will get def's 100% without pumping up the dosages. It is not a cheap organic fert line anymore due to the increased applications! But I do agree with you that their ingredients list is good.
I'll definitely watch that new thread Pet..........I really like your F&D system, just can't use it in my situation(no res tanks in an apt complex!).....
probably the same results, but lava is heavy.....don't know if those net pots can handle the weight without breaking....
great post..............thanks
This kid thought about it and developed something brilliant http://inhabitat.com/13-year-old-ma...through-by-harnessing-the-fibonacci-sequence/
All T12/T8/T5/Cfl/Pll/Induction bulbs are NOT made in America........Anyone says otherwise is lying.
Sounds great...........Now try to get the lobbyists to not block it's implementation..
Led grow panels have more points of failure than induction no doubt.......but if you break that induction bulb/ no quick repair and you have a hazardous cleaning situation..
ILP's cheesedream @ 80days since germination under the Hans led panel(65watts):
......No rush fatty, take your time ..............she will be 100+ days till chop.PS's Anubis bitches @ 75 days since germ under the inda-grow par 100 induction(105watts):
.......checked their trichs w a loop and all clear.......so we still got some time. I may have guessed wrong.
50th day of the 13/11 light schedule. I will NOT be giving them anything other than water till the end. All the girls have enough organic ferts/ and new soil topdressing too last IMO/ they will look ugly! but their is nothing I can do anymore at this point without deviating from staying organic................be safe and happy growing RIU
PSUAGRO.
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Well the anubis is a 60-65 day according to breeder, but those #'s rarely work out, its a GENERAL guideline. The cheesedream IDK, but she suffered through a macro p/k def and I supercropped her later than I should in flowering, which will cause a delay. Not to mention I'm running 13/11 till the end....ooops
THE KONASSURE
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11/13 should finish faster then 13/11 but 13/11 could potentially yield more
From what I`ve seen 11/13 builds a bit more flavour too personally in the last 4 weeks of flower I start knocking off anything from 5 mins to 15mins per day till their down till anything from 11/13 to 9/15
I mean last 2 weeks you could even push it to 6/18 if you wanted to save money on lights but oh boy would they start to stink I doubt you`d need to cure that bud much lol
From what I`ve seen 11/13 builds a bit more flavour too personally in the last 4 weeks of flower I start knocking off anything from 5 mins to 15mins per day till their down till anything from 11/13 to 9/15
I mean last 2 weeks you could even push it to 6/18 if you wanted to save money on lights but oh boy would they start to stink I doubt you`d need to cure that bud much lol
PSUAGRO.
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Longer light====longer flower, more yield .....maybe
Right on^^^^couldn't have stated it better................ any new pics??????
found your new thread and subbed to it's greatness...........
IPL's cheesedream @ 83 days since germination under the Hans led panel(65watts):
...She's gonna be something special.......wish she had a better last few weeks, but that's container growing/ live and learn....PS's anubis girls @ 78 days since germ under the Inda-gro par 100 induction (105watts):
......I'm gonna really enjoy smoking lanky bitch/ small but real quality buds........Still love squatty's structure, very nice for small stealth grows.
...53rd day of 13/11 and that's it............be safe and happy growing RIU
