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jigfresh

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HOOOOOOAHH! Clint Dempsey (you guys must have heard of him) scored in injury time to draw v Man United. That's a big point! Way to make me proud boys! Still top 4 late in Jan. Pretty stoked.

And ok... I'll go for the 9ers. Haha, fuck ATL lol. Atlanta is a weird team because they don't seem dangerous, but they beat everyone. Like Houston looked dangerous, and SF looks badass, but the falcolns are like sleepers. If they can't keep Capernick down not much of a chance eh? I still haven't watched that game of his from last week... got it on Tivo. It was on after the broncos I think, so I wasn't in the mood for more football obviously.

Wife left the house today by herself. It's been more than a week since that happened, so this is my first alone time at all since then. It's nice. Also nice that she's going out because she feels so good. All things are rolling along nicely with that. She had a beautiful vision the other day of our two other babies' spirits in there with our new little one. They were circling the new one with their hands help, like a may pole (or something lol... not really sure what a may pole is really). So yeah, thanks again everyone. You guys helped things smooth out. Also a fun thing is wife learned her bestest friend from school... is pregnant for the first time and due right about the same time. They both have the same name.... so it's like the _______'s are doing things together again.

Smoked 3 fat bowls last night before bed... last one had quite a bit of hash on top. I swear I felt a bit drunk. Tipping over when undressing for bed. Long live the Dog!!!

EDIT: I watched him park, get out, look at his parking job, and make the decision "good enough". I really wanted to say something... but damned if I'm not getting older and wiser. Saved myself the blood pressure spike and took pictures instead. You have no idea how much the old me would have gone off. 5 years ago I would have sprinted across the parking lot to yell bloody murder in that guys face. Fuck I had anger issues. Ahh... the peaceful life.
 

curious old fart

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I usually just pull up and make some smartass remark....like..... good job of blocking the road. you really make life easier for your fellow man. It seldom works, but I feel better.


:peace:
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Thundercat

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So Whodat thanks for posting the foliar info. I've been toying with it, this floralicious stuff the girl gave me is got a bunch of sea kelp and some humic acid and other stuff iin it and has directions for foliar feeding so I think I'm gonna give it a try. Prolly cut the recommendations in half like usual.

Sadly I have nothing to add to the football conversation, I barely know anything about sports. I've always enjoyed playing them, but never into watching them. Even when the superbowl was local a few years ago...meh. I will add I bet the guy with that truck love him some football, and prolly the rodeo too.
 

theloadeddragon

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Id love to see some info on the clogging pores thing,,, and why is it ok to do it outside first THEN inside?
Also, I was thinking more along the line of the roots havnt taken a complete foothold yet so it would be nice to give the plants some nutrients and natural root growth hormones through the leaves, while also covering them with beneficial bacteria and fungi protecting the plant.



Heres a short but good read on foliar spraying with compost tea. Id like to post the entire thing so its more likely someone will actually read it.
Iv spent the last hour and a half trying to find info on clogging pores and nightmarish effects with no luck so far.

The Secrets of Foliar Spraying

Your tomato plants look limp and sickly. Their lower leaves have turned a nasty yellow between the veins. You need to do something quickly. Searching the web, you discover your tomatoes have magnesium deficiency. Under the bathroom sink, you find an old bag of Epsoms Salts and an empty spray bottle. Dissolving a tablespoon of the salts in a couple of pints of warm water, you spray the leaves of the tomato plants all over. A couple of days later, the plants are bright green and healthy again.
From this example, it looks like foliar spraying could be the magic bullet we are all looking for. Within one hour, according to the scientists, a plant can transports minerals from its leaves all the way down to its roots. Compared to root feeding, this looks like the fast track. However, foliar spraying is not an alternative to good growing methods. It is best seen as a powerful addition that has its own secrets for success.
Mineral Deficiency Spraying
Spraying for mineral deficiencies can be particularly effective: magnesium for tomatoes, zinc for grapes, boron for many vegetables; the list is long and complex. Plants signal their need for help by exhibiting distress in leaf, bud and flower. As the plant’s ‘primary care person’, your task is to diagnose the problem and provide corrective procedures. Mineral spraying acts rather like an injection; it gets the medicine into the plant’s system as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The main stumbling block is our limited diagnostic skills. Each species of plant has both general and specific mineral needs. When these minerals are missing from the soil or hydroponic solution, a range of confusing symptoms appear. We may not discover the specific reason quickly enough to prevent plant collapse. Even when we do, that plant will take time to recover and may never reach optimum productivity.
Spraying for mineral deficiencies is emergency medicine -- fast and efficient. To be successful, we need to know which element is missing and have the cure ready to hand. This is not always possible, so, in general, it is better to think in terms of prevention rather than cure. We do not wait until sick to take vitamins (a contraction of ‘vital minerals’). Just so, rather than spraying when a deficiency appears, put in place a program of foliar fertilization to increase plant health and resilience. If deficiency spraying is specific first aid, foliar fertilization is preventative health care.
Foliar Fertilization
We all have had the basic course in fertilization: plants need NPK – nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium. This is like saying humans need carbohydrates, fats and protein. It tells us the basics but certainly does not say how to eat well. We need a balanced diet with nourishing foods -- and plants are similar. They prefer nutrients in which the complex chemicals are bound organically. Rather than a dose of chemical nitrates, plants thrive best on organic products that provide not only the NPK but also a range of trace elements.

Vegetation evolved in the oceans, bathed in a solution containing every imaginable mineral. Seaweed takes food directly from seawater. Land plants, like their marine ancestors, can take in nourishment through the pores or stomata on their leaf surfaces. Stomata are tiny mouths that breathe in CO2 and exhale water and oxygen. They also transport nutrients up to ten times more efficiently that root systems. Foliar feeding bolsters the nutrients available to each plant, like a regular dose of vitamins and supplements.
Most vegetation requires a minimum of 16, but probably more like 50 essential minerals and trace elements. Is it just coincidence that some of the best providers of these elements come from the ocean? Fish products are high in organic nitrogen; kelp is a wonderful source of minerals, particularly potassium, while algae has a range of trace elements and hormones beneficial for cellular development. Research suggests that natural sea salt contains a vast range of trace elements. When sprayed in a very diluted form, sea minerals provide most elements needed to prevent deficiencies.
Foliar fertilization is fast becoming an essential addition to standard cultivation techniques. For many growers who have grown up with chemicals, it is a small step to organic fertilization – the NPK is just packaged differently. However, there is another, less well-known aspect to plant cultivation based on biology rather than chemistry -- the realm of the microbes.
Spraying with Compost Tea
When plants evolved on land, they formed an alliance with the microbial life in the soil and air. Certain species of bacteria and fungi became the chefs that prepared the plant’s food, the medics that helped them fight disease. Plants like to dine on biologically predigested nutrients; it is easier for them to assimilate. Healthy plants have a strong immune system that includes a ‘bio-film’ of microbial life on the roots, stems and leaves. To make use of these biological principles to feed and protect our plants, we can spray with compost tea.

Compost tea is “brewed” by aerating a mixture of water, compost (sometimes humus or worm castings), and organic nutrients such as molasses, kelp, fish emulsion, and yucca. This produces a nutrient-rich solution containing vast colonies of beneficial bacteria and fungi. The microbes digest the nutrients into organic compounds that can be easily taken in by the plant. These same microbes colonize the surface of the leaves to help fight off disease.
When you spray with compost tea, you envelope the plant with living organisms -- and you enhance the web of life of which the plant is a part. The results can be astounding: large, mineral rich vegetation with clear glossy leaves, decreased disease, and even lessened insect attacks. Plants treated with foliar fertilization and especially compost tea have higher “Brix” levels – a measure of the carbohydrates and mineral density in the sap. High Brix is said to make the plants less attractive to pests and more resilient to stress. If they are vegetables, they even taste better!
Compost tea, unlike mineral sprays and foliar fertilization, cannot be over-applied and does not burn leaves- this is not true. The microbe-rich droplets drip off the leaves to improve soil and growing solutions. Those same microbes can clean up toxic chemicals and turn them into nutrients. For growers who regularly use compost tea, there is nothing better. The main drawback is that brewed compost tea is not always available and, being alive, has a limited shelf life. If you brew your own compost tea, it needs to have the best ingredients and proven test results.
Whether you apply a mineral solution to deficient plants, have a regular foliar fertilization program or go the distance with compost tea, foliar spraying benefits your plant quickly and profoundly. Find that old spray bottle; hook up your hose-end sprayer; invest in a commercial spray pack. Once you see the results, you will never neglect this method of plant care again.

Tips on Spraying
Below are guidelines for foliar spraying:


  1. When mixing up your formulation, whether mineral, organic fertilization or compost tea, use non-chlorinated, well oxygenated water. Bubble air through chlorinated water or leave it to off-gas overnight. You can try using seltzer in your foliar spray to give plants an added CO2 boost.
  2. Make sure mineral ingredients are dissolved and the solution is very dilute. Chemicals in high concentration tend to ‘burn’ foliage and leave a salt residue. Compost teas need to be diluted 10–1.
  3. Add a natural surfactant or wetting agent to help the solution flow over and stick to foliage. Yucca is a natural surfactant and is often a component of compost teas. Use true organic soaps such as Dr Bronners, Tom’s, or Pangea. The great majority or other soaps contain detergents that do not break down easily.
  4. Young transplants prefer a more alkaline solution (pH 7.0) while older growth like a somewhat more acid (pH 6.2) spray. Use baking soda to raise pH and apple cider vinegar to lower the pH of your spray.
  5. Spray with a fine sprayer for foliar fertilization and a coarser, low pressure sprayer for compost tea. The microbes in compost tea need large protective water droplets. Apply in the early morning or evening when the stomata are open. Do not spray if the temperature is over 80F or in the bright sun. Harsh ultraviolet rays can kill microbes in compost tea.
  6. Cover at least 70% of the foliage, paying particular attention to the underneath of the leaf surfaces.
Apply foliar fertilization or sprayed compost tea every two to three weeks during the growing season.
For addressing deficiencies quickly while allowing time to doctor the soil, yes definitely very effective, WHEN YOU ARE EXPERIENCED WITH IT AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. For increasing mineral transport through plants that dont have a well balance root-plant system it can also be useful if the plant is damaged or blighted. I hope you noticed that this article itself is referring to outdoor plants.

Jigs plants are Developing roots that will sustain and supply the plant with nurtition throughout his grow. Know what happens when you appropriately foliar feed cuttings? it takes 2-5 times longer for them to develop roots and their growth is also slowed until the roots catch up. http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/2011/lehrer_brit/nutrition.htm Did you notice that the nutrients travel via the phloem to the roots first? If your soil is fresh and well mixed then you wont need this at all. Also, hormones (auxin transfers) are not transferable through the stomata, as they are stored inside of the plant throughout the grow season and used as needed to sustain the plant, it is a powerful part of the conversion of plant energies from vegetative/flowering growth to establishing or producing roots. http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/sciences/botanicalsciences/plantreproduction/PlantBehavior/PlantBehavior.htm

Nightmare, is there in the article you posted all over the place. I have seen well established plants literally destroyed overnight via a mistake in preparation and/or application of foliage feeding, many a time over actually. I have underlined, and emboldened a few parts that show how easily it can happen (if you miss something, dont understand something, or do too much of something). How about you read the article (which is advertising the effectiveness of appropriately applied foliage spraying) from the perspective of "what could go wrong were this not done properly." and also Ask this most important question..... in regards to this situation....

The plants have roots and need to become well established in this new soil (jig not accustomed to how this process works in soil), including the hormonal processes involved in developing the symbiotic relationship with the soil itself via root growth and micro-enzyme production (completely inhibited by foliage FEEDING, not foliage watering), why would he want to interfere?

Sometimes less is more, in this case I would rather be safer than sorrier. Foliage feeding could definitely increase rate of growth and overall health of plant, once established (I believe it is even worded close to that way in the article you posted), and when it is done correctly within its specific intended applications.

EDIT: And unless you have some serious airflow I wouldnt foliage feed in there. Its totally not necessary, messy, clogs the pores of your plants with particulates that take a long time and more fresh water to break down, and your plants need to begin drawing up as much as they can through the roots and developing stronger roots, not trying to impose.... but that can turn nightmare really fast in a lot of ways if your not careful and know what your doing. Do it outside first, then inside... and take clips under a microscope to see what I am talking about.Outside is more forgiving ;) Foliage feeding is a scientific horticultural practice. It is also a natural process, via rain. The clogging of pores is Explained under the surface of the article you posted- just not referred to directly (the soap references for example, and burn/necrosis is one result of clogged pores).....

What happens to a plant when the RH is above 65-72%? Stomata close ;).... Also note the mention of light sensitivity in regards to foliage feeding ;)..... the article talks about all these helpful microbes eating/removing/destroying/converting unhealthy things in the right conditions, what is the simple logical deduction if conditions arent right... or even just the opposite?

I support foliage feeding in the spring time, and at the onset of flowering, or if there is a blight/damage to the plant ONLY IF- you know what you are doing, and you are doing it appropriately within the parameters of its specific and intended application/use. Other than that... I wouldnt do it. and IMHO, its absolutely unnecessary inside.
 

whodatnation

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Hey Im sure its not an issue TLD, thanks for all the info. Something I'll look into but Iv been applying AACT (foliarly <<<? lol) for a few years now with no issues and will continue to do so. I wont toss your thinking aside either, Im reading up.

:peace:



Game time!


HHB~~~ happy healthy baby ;-)
 

theloadeddragon

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the Most common advice that I give in growing when asked whether to do/try something or not is- "it all depends." And "its entirely up to you." ;) that being said....

well... my point was that it isnt conducive for the plants in the stage they are currently in. the biological process to note is the transfer of stored auxins to develop roots, and once developed the roots will restore the auxins to the plant and once that balance has been achieved, the hormonal trigger will occur for the plant to begin to "grow" plant biomass again, roots and leaves/stems etc. ;)

And while I said its unnecessary indoors (or should be), I also concede that it can be very beneficial if done correctly.

In terms of cuttings and foliage spraying, I recommend doing so before taking the cuttings initially, if at all. Once the roots and plant are established in its medium, than compost tea can definitely be beneficial.

here is a well versed article in compost teas including foliage spraying.... http://theearthproject.org/id53.html

Notice please- the First Paragraph in answer to the First Question.... Inoculation in the soil should have occurred during/after mixing and watering, and the plant being a clone has already been inoculated in its foliage prior to ever being cloned. The Only thing that I would foliage feed cuttings is humic acid, and that is only if its not in soil. Aslo, this point is key- they plant is a "cutting" until established and growing vegetatively again ;).

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][h=1]C. 1. Understanding Compost Tea [/h][h=3]1. Why Use compost tea? [/h]Compost tea is used for two reasons: To inoculate microbial life into the soil or onto the foliage of plants, and to add soluble nutrients to the foliage or to the soil to feed the organisms and the plants present. The use of compost tea is suggested any time the organisms in the soil or on the plants are not at optimum levels. Chemical-based pesticides, fumigants, herbicides and some synthetic fertilizers kill a range of the beneficial microorganisms that encourage plant growth, while compost teas improve the life in the soil and on plant surfaces. High quality compost tea of will inoculate the leaf surface and soil with beneficial microorganisms, instead of destroying them.[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]..[/FONT]



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jigfresh

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Im sorry Jig... who am I to tell you how to or not to raise your children? didnt mean to impose like I said... not into watching football.... but I wouldnt mind playing again sometime. :)
Quite the opposite TLD. I was merely wanting to post and say hi to all my buds... but was in no mood to actually read all the stuff any of you were posting lol. I still haven't but will later. I'd like you and anyone else to tell me their opinion. I love hearing peoples thoughts. It's not like we all make a single point, we are all sharing complex ideas that have many facets to them. I want to see every facet possible, see what applies to my grow, and makes sense to me and my plants seem to like. I feel that's why I've been so successfull so far is taking in lots of info, using what applies, trying new things...

I love you sharing any info you got. Everyone else too... it helps me very much.

Off to watch some football. To those of you who don't like it, enjoy the lovely day. It's lovely here at least. Prettiest day in a long time really. I'm still in my wife beater. lol... I hope everyone knows what that is.
 

ghb

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is it a string vest jig or just a regular white one with a yellow stain on the belly?

i love the way the truck is parked, that vehicle belongs to somebody who no doubt is a wife beater lol.
 

jigfresh

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It's just plain white, no stains, but a few holes lol. It is sunday after all. When else could I wear my holy clothes.

Definitely keeping it classy over here.

One thing I forgot to mention to you guys about the hydro store. The size of the orders of some of the people are just staggering. 10 complete 1000w setups, digi ballasts, hoods, lights, timers, etc.... 5 - 6' x 6' flood tables.... 5 rolls of 70' panda film. Pallets of coco. CRAZY CRAZY stuff.
 

theloadeddragon

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It's just plain white, no stains, but a few holes lol. It is sunday after all. When else could I wear my holy clothes.

Definitely keeping it classy over here.

One thing I forgot to mention to you guys about the hydro store. The size of the orders of some of the people are just staggering. 10 complete 1000w setups, digi ballasts, hoods, lights, timers, etc.... 5 - 6' x 6' flood tables.... 5 rolls of 70' panda film. Pallets of coco. CRAZY CRAZY stuff.
Its a sad sad thing that marks the end of a good run :/
 
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