Unconventional Organics

[Snafu1236]

Havent used Insect Frass before, it has caught my attention now though!

 

[Tweetybird999]

Unconventional organics...I'm in the middle of building some indoor compost (as it is frozen and snowy outside). The household veggie & fruit peels have gone in, as well as some canna leaves, peat moss, blood & bone meals, alfalfa pellets, oyster shells ground and probably a bit more stuff. I can get all the ingredients below from a feed store. That's where the oyser shell & alfalfa pellets came from, also some molasses. I can get some flax seeds or maybe ground flax from the grocery store, but only a pound is a reasonable price. Any ideas if these would be a good idea? I cannot get exotic ingredients, as the shipping price will kill the value.
ROLLED OATS 20KG
WHOLE OATS 20KG
DOUBLE CLEANED OATS 20KG
ROLLED BARLEY 20KG
WHOLE BARLEY 20KG
CRACKED WHEAT 20KG
WHOLE CORN 25KG
ROLLED MIX( BARLEY/OATS) 20KG
MIXED CHOP ( WHEAT/BARLEY/OATS) 25KG
GRANITE GRIT #1 2 & 3 25KG
DOUBLE DUTY GRIT 25KG
Soyameal 20kg
Diatomaceous Earth 20kg
SHAVINGS 3 CUBIC FEET

 

[Dank Raptor]

What are you gonna do with all that. Grow a fungus creature?

 

[Tweetybird999]

Fungus creature...I hope so I'm wondering what peeps think would be good to use and for what? These are easy to get and cheap enough, but which one(s) and how?

Also picked up Xylitol (birch sugar alcohol), amber coconut palm nectar, nutritional yeast, brewers yeast & kelp powder...all organic. These will be put into compost and a tablespoon of each placed in a bubble brewer with water overnight, with black strap molasses, for a drench the next time I water. Yes, I want the yeast and bacteria to have a party I like to look at AN line of products and duplicate (sort of) some of their bottled products.

 

[thafoot]

Wwhats the skinny on fish tank water? Fresh water of course. Ive got a sh55 gallon and a 20 gallon. Im not the keeper of the fish so im not sure what the specific levels are of all the different shit, but I could find out. I do water changes every 2 weeks or somethin. What abour storing it? Using it in an AACT? I could try it out myself in a few weeks but for now I dont want to risk a negative effect. Thanks

 

[FR33MASON]

Wwhats the skinny on fish tank water? Fresh water of course. Ive got a sh55 gallon and a 20 gallon. Im not the keeper of the fish so im not sure what the specific levels are of all the different shit, but I could find out. I do water changes every 2 weeks or somethin. What abour storing it? Using it in an AACT? I could try it out myself in a few weeks but for now I dont want to risk a negative effect. Thanks

I use it and it works great... Living water for living soils.
I use a powerhead to circulate and oxygenate the water. Stagnant water produces gram negative bacilli and fungi which can be pathogenic. If you have municipal water that has chloramine, you can add up to a max of 30% by volume into your holding reservoir. The bacteria will feed off the chloramine so tap water will actually help keep your water alive. I actually stopped using water conditioners to my aquariums over 10 years ago and remove only 20%, once a week and replace it with water straight out the tap and the plants and fish love it and in turn provide me with what I consider an awesome source of water.

EDIT: If you don't have tap water with chloramine, you can add a 1/4tsp of ammonia or a small sprinkle of your pee per 20 gal. of water every 3 to 5 days to keep your stored aquarium water alive.

 

[thafoot]

I use it and it works great... Living water for living soils.
I use a powerhead to circulate and oxygenate the water. Stagnant water produces gram negative bacilli and fungi which can be pathogenic. If you have municipal water that has chloramine, you can add up to a max of 30% by volume into your holding reservoir. The bacteria will feed off the chloramine so tap water will actually help keep your water alive. I actually stopped using water conditioners to my aquariums over 10 years ago and remove only 20%, once a week and replace it with water straight out the tap and the plants and fish love it and in turn provide me with what I consider an awesome source of water.

EDIT: If you don't have tap water with chloramine, you can add a 1/4tsp of ammonia or a small sprinkle of your pee per 20 gal. of water every 3 to 5 days to keep your stored aquarium water alive.

thank you freemason. i use tap water as well when i do a 20% water change. we have well water here tho, no chlormine. it is softened too. the plants in the fish tanks stay alive(aquarium plants) . im going to try it once i get some rooted clones here comin up.

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

200 head jersey cow farm the farmer stacks there shit 20 foot high waiting for spring thaw so we can liquify said shit and spread it all over the fields(sweet corn, cukes , and beaners! I am gonna grab a 5 gallon bucket or two let em dry a bit and use that on some veggin ladies.

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

Until i get my filtration system in the mail what would you guys recomend for flouride in the water? I havent noticed a huge change in the plants however i know flouride cant be good for them any thoughts?

 

[FR33MASON]

thank you freemason. i use tap water as well when i do a 20% water change. we have well water here tho, no chlormine. it is softened too. the plants in the fish tanks stay alive(aquarium plants) . im going to try it once i get some rooted clones here comin up.

You reminded me of a point that I would like to make of one instance that you should not use live water and that is for cloning.
I had never lost a single clone until I tried cloning with some live water once and lost the whole lot. I normally use municipal tap water which has choramine and like I mentioned, never lost a single clone which makes sense as the microbes will clog up the tissue of a cut stem and stem rot sets in. Your well water is fine as it does not have near the bacteria or fungi that live water does. Once you transplant an established clone, you can use the aquarium water which is what you mentioned you were going to do. I just wanted to clarify for others that are reading this thread.

 

[FR33MASON]

200 head jersey cow farm the farmer stacks there shit 20 foot high waiting for spring thaw so we can liquify said shit and spread it all over the fields(sweet corn, cukes , and beaners! I am gonna grab a 5 gallon bucket or two let em dry a bit and use that on some veggin ladies.

You're going to have 50' plants with that stuff lol... Joking aside if it has not been well composted do be careful and go light with it. I know it can make your plants stretch like crazy or just burn your roots from high ammonia release as it decomposes. awesome and I'm imagining free source of nutes though.

 

[FR33MASON]

Until i get my filtration system in the mail what would you guys recomend for flouride in the water? I havent noticed a huge change in the plants however i know flouride cant be good for them any thoughts?

Most places use sodium fluoride and it will easily bind with any calcium that is in your soil. My municipal water supply also uses fluoride but it is used minutely and my aquarium and plants have always been just fine. That being said, I personally would like to see fluoride removed from the water supply for a number of reasons.

 

[docter]

i knew someone who had a kid and saved the afterbirth to bring home. they buried it, planted a tree on top and called it the "Macayla" tree.

omfg I almost fell of the chair. I have never heard of this oh yeah the dead puppy thing is brutal. but what are ya gonna do right?.

 

[tspimpin1118]

What started as my worm bin slowly became a semi bokashi style indoor compost, but even after 3 weeks of being gone and not watering my worms were still fine and the bin still had moisture and lots of mycelium. I'm hypothesizing so don't get mad at me if this is wrong but my guess is that the fungi were able to pull moisture from the air (in my unfinished basement) where previous to adding LB and several collected forest fungi samples to my worm bin it would dry out very fast even though it had no drainage holes and would have standing water. now it does have drainage holes and was able to retain more moisture fore a longer period of time then before, and now the moisture is more evenly distributed in my bin rather then being layered. ...

also many wouldn't consider this organic necessarily but I'm using the GLR or 12/1 with CFL's and I'm impressed. I think for those people who are not just interested in growing organically but also more sustainably.


also someone mentioned banana peals... I have heard in the past the they can be put with germinating seeds to help promote female's because of particular hormones... all bananas are female (funny how they are phallic shaped) .. I however haven had exp with this....

another person mentioned fish... I just read somewhere last night about a guy who would use a can of sardines and the water inside as well.. I imagine you could go to a grocery store fish counter and ask for fish scraps.. or sea food restaurant...but mercury is also something you might be concerned with

also wondering if anyone has used companion crops or cover crops... i was thinking about maybe trying to grow alfalfa in my wormkashi bin and I did have a garlic clove growing with one of my plants but it didn't survive my three week absence like my girls..



-TopSoil

 

[knawlejj]

You and me both....kinda weird imo

 

[FR33MASON]

With cover crops you need to test your soil to see where there is an abundance or deficiency. Out on the farm, we use cover crops but like I just mentioned, the soil is tested first to determine the best cover crop to remedy the issue.

 

[Dr.J20]

Hey you guys,
I've been trying to scour the interwebs to see if anyone has heard of/ used earth juice amazon bloom soil to make an AACT?

a dude at a local hydro shop gave me this recipe for a bloom tea and wanted to hear some opinions about using it in a soilless organic hempy (100% perlite):

Amazon Tea
1. Tap water.
2. Amazon Bloom: 1/2 cup per gallon. Place in a fine nylon bag or just add and stir. Materials will float.
3. Earth Juice Catalyst: 2 Tbsp per gallon.
4. Aerate the solution for 12-24 hours.
5. Filter and store cold (refrigerate). Best to use within 2-4 weeks.
Use as a component to a complete plant maintenance -fertilization program

seems like the recommendation is to use the tea throughout both stages of growth, but look at the ingredients of the soil:

peat moss, forest compost, coconut coir, feather meal, bat guano, marinebird fossilized guano, steamed bone meal, sulfate of potash, magnesia from langbenite, neem meal, earthworm castings, sea kelp (ascophyllum nodosum), humate ore (leonardite), oyster shell lime
I'd think throwing some molasses in the tea would make a pretty balanced tea...
So anyone with some AACT knowledge weigh in on this...i'm trying to get some modified organics going in the passive hydro aka hempy world--thinking the mycorrhizal activity could colonize the root zone, and since I will be watering with H2O+molasses with EJ hydro-organics supplements as needed, the micro-hoard should survive and thrive...thoughts anyone?

Be easy,
Dr.J​

 

[blueberrylabs]

Making beneficial tea with water from my aquarium? Anyone try this before? I don't see how it couldn't be helpful., I feed my fish blood worms and fishmeal/algea pellet, then they poop it out in the water that is filtered and airated 24/7. Anyone want to way in on this please.

 

[Cann]

use that tank water, its full of goodies. do some research into aquaponics and you will better understand the nitrogen cycle with nitrites, nitrates, ammonia, etc. Basically, if your fish are happy, the fish water will make your plants happy. Too much nasties in the water = dead fish, obviously you wouldn't want to use this water for plants...otherwise I say do it, but research the dilutions etc and understand the nitrogen cycle first.

 

[ecsdf1]

unconventional organic cal/mag supplementation (seasoned growers advice appreciated)

I was wondering if it would be practical or even good for the plant to use natural spring water to add cal/mag and other minerals to the very low ppm r/o water i currently use? I was thinking of a 1:3 ratio Perrier:R/O water every 2 weeks could be a good starting point. Any input or thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated

(Perriers' mineral profile and ph was the one that caught my eye initially)

Country	France
Source	Vergèze
Type	sparkling
pH	5.46
Calcium (Ca)	147.3
Chloride (Cl[SUP]−[/SUP])	21.5
Bicarbonate (HCO[SUB]3[/SUB])	390
Fluoride (Fl)	0.12
Magnesium (Mg)	3.4
Nitrate (NO[SUB]3[/SUB])	18
Potassium (K)	0.6
Sodium (Na)	9
Sulfates (SO)	33
TDS	475
Website	http://www.perrier.com
All values in milligrams per liter (mg/l) I saw Snafu's posts on sparkling water and decided this would be a better place to post this query.

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