Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

gordobo said:
iGrow sent me some kind of training manual on their lights. I still haven't heard on whether they'll give me a light to demo. At least they explain the bracket design now and show the spectrums for both the veg and bloom lamps. It looks like the lamps change out pretty easy but I'd like to see it being done with the light hanging over the plants upside down instead of like how they show it being done in the video.

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Lol.
gordobo said:
iGROW is doing something else pretty revolutionary with a live feed on their lights. You can see it on The Happy Harvester home page @

http://happyharvestersortonville.com/

I think more manufacturers should be doing this.
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Like Inda-gro, perhaps?
 
Kite High said:
That is a preposterous way of measuring how the lights do...Sure if I wanted to grow puny plants I would look into it. But I prefer trees as they are stronger in potency IMO and since I grow for only myself I am in no hurry. On many many occasions I have well exceeded that goal without even trying as it means nothing whatsoever. For even in the accepted way of measuring yield performance of ??/grams per m2 there is error as it does not take into account height and length of grow.

Dude do what you do and have fun. Wanna dissuade me from hid to LED show me trees grown with consistency by more than a couple of people. For I tell you this I personally know a person who is a member here that was showing amazing results a few years back with LEDs. Went to his home to meet him as he was really cool people. Guess what? He was using hid and then turning them off and leaving just the leds on when he photographed. Why? Bragging rights and 30% of sales for doing so.

I know all of the math etc but I do not see those numbers in action. One day I am sure leds will become a viable option but that day is not here.

Also everyone please do realize that hid tech is being revamped as well and cmh is part of that trend as well as the high voltage hid systems such as Gavita.
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Tell me it was Irishboy:)............always had my doubts about his grows because NO one could even get close to his results with those spectra panels that I know of (excellent growers too)

CMH is a great indoor lighting option........especially in the winter
 
gordobo said:
iGrow sent me some kind of training manual on their lights. I still haven't heard on whether they'll give me a light to demo. At least they explain the bracket design now and show the spectrums for both the veg and bloom lamps. It looks like the lamps change out pretty easy but I'd like to see it being done with the light hanging over the plants upside down instead of like how they show it being done in the video.
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Hey Gordo. When a manufacturer has a defect they will call it a feature. Case in point; That 'self leveling system' bracket is the stock Chinese tunnel light bracket that allows the lights to be angled down when installed in tunnels. If a light has a V clip centered over the back of the fixture it only takes a single point connection to the V Clip with a pro-grip, jack chain or whatever you're using to hang the light. Show me one grow light that needs a self leveling feature. if you can point to one anywhere they would be well advised to not ignore the stern legal message at the bottom of this page that this is, or may be, part of a proprietary design by their client.

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The Made in the USA (nothing about any of their products coming from China) at the top of the page also goes on to state that while they, FSS HYDRO LLC, are Staking the Global Claim as the leader in the market they are doing so by Repurposing Equipment already in the Marketplace. Now what precisely does that mean? They also wordsmith on the last bullet point in claiming US procurement of raw materials which opens the door for some FSS purchasing agent sitting in Jackson MI to be buying Chinese made lamps and drivers. It was, after all, 'US Procurement'.

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But the biggest issue I see that this information raises is after only briefly looking at the spectral distribution graphs their lamps are producing I'm left with a glaring disparity between the two induction lamps. The Veg (5000K) spectrum shows the Mercury peaks that an induction lamp would have at 405 and 730nm. The Bloom (2700K) spectrum is missing these peaks. It can't be an induction lamp at all since the Hg peaks are simply not there. Perhaps it was some oversight or maybe they are just 'repurposing' an HPS lamps spectrum which the chart on the left more closely resembles.

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I am a bit surprised that the USDA and all the other esteemed research institutes missed this. If I may be so bold as to posit a suggestion; after claiming 15 years of research they may wish to remedy this chart prior to making, what some might consider a premature claim, of worldwide dominance of the induction indoor grow light market.

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But what do we weed growers know anyway.
 
The spectrum charts alone on the igrow are worst than my digilux hps. Id rather have a riant..
 
I wonder how that 49ers fan got past security to the switch that turned off all those lights? They were banking on that 20 minute HID restrike to get their guys back into the game.

I understand Obama was watching the game and immediately ordered a strike force in the event this was not a disgruntled 49er's fan but instead a much more serious threat as an attack on HID lighting systems brought on by an induction lighting manufacturer seeking world dominance in stadium lighting.
 
chazbolin said:
I wonder how that 49ers fan got past security to the switch that turned off all those lights? They were banking on that 20 minute HID restrike to get their guys back into the game.

I understand Obama was watching the game and immediately ordered a strike force in the event this was not a disgruntled 49er's fan but instead a much more serious threat as an attack on HID lighting systems brought on by an induction lighting manufacturer seeking world dominance in stadium lighting.
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'twas gordo I bet:shock:....:lol:... :eyesmoke:
 
You may be right Kite. I wouldn't be surprised if when he's not on RIU he's making friends on one of those sports lighting forums . :-D
 
I'm not quite the pessimist you are Kite. I believe words and actions have meaning. I think there are companies, like people, that do tell it like it is, while others exaggerate, and some completely mislead by distortion, lies and fraud. igrow has produced enough of the latter, just within the propaganda I responded to, that if one were to take your suggestion and buy their products to confirm how well they worked it would only serve to notice them that their marketing was actually working.

I'm no guru like Chaz but those igrow bulbs look like off the shelf units not tailored to PAR
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I'm no guru but thanks for the rep. I only pointed out that the igrow chart showing the 2700 kelvin induction lamp misses the mercury peaks at two obvious locations. Are these the spectral distribution graphs for their lamps? Maybe the veg but definitely not the flower since an induction lamp would need mercury suspended in an inert gas like argon to work at all. I believe this is an HPS graph they're showing.

What disturbs me is when a company with this much horsepower tries to influence a niche market they consider gullible with colorful graphs, claims of Made in the USA and deep relations with university/USDA research that would influence the gardeners decision to purchase their products. If they actually do go out and buy these products and are then disappointed with the results the mfg can claim the gardener didn't use the products correctly or some such nonsense. It will never be their fault. Now the technology is to blame in that unhappy buyers mind and he'll tell everyone he can that the technology doesn't work and to stay away from it. And that is just not the case.
 

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'twasn't me. LOL Although it did make a case for using lamps that doesn't take 34 minutes to put the game back on.

Chaz I'm actually waiting for an email response from the dealer to clarify if these are the actual iGROW spectrums because it's not clear on the documents that this represents their lamps. It appears since they are the only spectrums listed in the brochure that they would be but I was curious as to why they were just given kelvin values. If the mercury isn't being shown I can't believe these would be the spectrums their lamps are emitting. That would not make sense to publish that but I'll let you know what they say.
 
Didn't get a response from iGROW on the spectrum question but they aren't willing to help me on a side by side. They want me to buy the system.

PK,

Thank you for your offer, we simply can’t send lights out for that purpose. To many things can go wrong. If you want to see some side by side comparisons done by lots of growers. Try www.growwithinduction.com

Cary Senders
I Grow Lights
23366 Commerce Park Rd.
Suite 100B
Beachwood, Ohio 44122
Direct: 216-378-4277
Cell: 216-926-5035
Fax: 216-591-1064
Email: [email protected]
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Hopefully I can get the indagrow light for a trial and would only have to pay for one system. Kind of bummed since I was really looking forward to their support on this. I went to the link though and I see it's being run by a SteveyG. Not much on the blog. Must be in early development. If that is the same SteveyG he should have just kept up the RIU journals. Would have gotten more people watching it.
 
Well I got the inda-gro response back and they won't provide a trial sample light either.

Mr -----

Thank you for your inquiry into our products. In regards to your request that we provide you a sample light at no charge for a 90 day trial run I have to decline that request. On average we get 5-10 requests per month that ask that we provide our products for these types of trials, or side by comparisons. We simply cannot agree to all these requests since the cost to do so would quickly become ridiculously expensive. The other issue is that while I have no doubt you are a skilled grower and would do a fair comparison, the realities of these types of comparisons can be subjective if not done in a precise and equally controlled environment using identical genetics and mediums.

I would invite you to visit our Facebook page which is linked off of our website or directly @ http://www.facebook.com/indagro2 where you will find a wide variety of user submitted galleries. We also offer several high resolution galleries with detailed notes @ https://picasaweb.google.com/117165142682869295633 that I think you will also find of interest.

Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any additional questions or we may assist you further.

Sincerely,

Darryl Cotton, President
Inda-Gro Lighting
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Does anyone know of any LED companies that might be interested in letting me trial one of their lights against the inda-gro light? If I have to buy an induction I'd start with theirs because it's less out of pocket.
 
gordobo said:
Well I got the inda-gro response back and they won't provide a trial sample light either.



Does anyone know of any LED companies that might be interested in letting me trial one of their lights against the inda-gro light? If I have to buy an induction I'd start with theirs because it's less out of pocket.
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why not test it against hid?
 
iGrow did not directly respond to my question asking if the graphs I see in their charts is for both the veg and the bloom lamps they sell. This is the response I was given;

PK,

There is a very clear and obvious light difference between our two bulbs colors. Since we are not growers, we put our money into experts who helped us design the kelvin spectrum colors specific to plant growth Veg and Bloom. Everyone knows blue is for veg and red is for bloom. We just done understand how some companies can think a single bulb can do both, it makes no sense and there is no science to back it up.

We like questions like yours, we did our homework, its why we are in business and doing well.

C.

Cary Senders
I Grow Lights
23366 Commerce Park Rd.
Suite 100B
Beachwood, Ohio 44122
Direct: 216-378-4277
Cell: 216-926-5035
Fax: 216-591-1064

Email: [email protected]
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Now that I've been learning more (mostly from what I've been reading and seeing on these forums) it's got me seriously questioning the whole two lamp thing getting pushed down our throats. I want an answer to a simple question and they go off on some tangent about how a single lamp can't work because there is no science to back it up or how well their company is doing. I did not ask those questions. I only wanted to know if these were their spectrums showing on these charts. I asked once again let's hope I get a yes or no response this time.
 
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