Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

gordobo said:
Well I got the inda-gro response back and they won't provide a trial sample light either.



Does anyone know of any LED companies that might be interested in letting me trial one of their lights against the inda-gro light? If I have to buy an induction I'd start with theirs because it's less out of pocket.
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Nah...You usually have to 'pay in' to trials...so i dont see you getting one for nothing. I guess its the hassle of getting a used light back (in some condition) and then what to do with it...that.. and they dont really know who they are a lending a light out too...
 
Took a bit but I finally got confirmation that these are in fact their graphs. I'm no expert on these so perhaps others here can dissect the values relative to par.

Those graphs are representative of our two lights. FSS Hydro is the business name behind iGROW.

Cary Senders
I Grow Lights
23366 Commerce Park Rd.
Suite 100B
Beachwood, Ohio 44122
Direct: 216-378-4277
Cell: 216-926-5035
Fax: 216-591-1064
Email: [email protected]
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I guess the only way to see how they actually perform is going to be watching the blog.
 
They admit that their lights are rebranded hmmmm.... Those spectrum charts are horrible. Similar to the cheapest, crappiest generic hps bulbs. For $1200. Haha .... I wouldn't even use igrow to grow a chia pet. By the spd's I bet 150w cmh.for less than $150 would out perform an igrow. the 200w round induction lvd lights - $200 with hood. Would destroy an igrow...... I bet...
 
Dont know if this guy knows what he is talking about. I think induction puts out UVB.

[video=youtube_share;lfiI78uN3Ks]http://youtu.be/lfiI78uN3Ks[/video]
 
Loonquawl said:
Dont know if this guy knows what he is talking about. I think induction puts out UVB.

[video=youtube_share;lfiI78uN3Ks]http://youtu.be/lfiI78uN3Ks[/video]
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The only way to know if they do is to have a uvb meter and get readings. I have a meter but no one that I am aware of with a rf induction fluorescent setup to test. And believe you me it must be tested as most of the lamps people said emit uvb that I have tested did not produce near enough to matter.

As to the weed dude he has some right but alot worng but it is not his fault as this is really just beginning to be explored in cannabis.
 
hyroot said:
They admit that their lights are rebranded hmmmm.... Those spectrum charts are horrible. Similar to the cheapest, crappiest generic hps bulbs. For $1200. Haha .... I wouldn't even use igrow to grow a chia pet. By the spd's I bet 150w cmh.for less than $150 would out perform an igrow. the 200w round induction lvd lights - $200 with hood. Would destroy an igrow...... I bet...
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yes indeed those charts demonstrate that
1. They do not know shit and stole the wrong charts as they did not have a thing actually tested
2. Are not even smart enough to steal charts that would impress as they do NOT know what spectrums plants use
3. DEFINITELY ONLY IN THE GAME FOR $$$

so this leads me to say FUCK IGROW

At least indagro does know enough about plants and spectrums to lie effectively
 
Thanks Kite for confirming what I was afraid of. Man do I feel like an idiot. I bought into this technology because since I was a child I've been a huge Tesla fan. When I got behind this technology it was because I thought there was real research being done here in the USA that would bring Tesla's induction lighting systems to the grower. Thinking it would be a way to cut back on all the HID lamps that growers buy and than just toss out at 1/2 life. As a way to save power while still bringing in food and med crops year round. I wanted to believe iGROW. Their presentations made sense to me. The university research, the USDA approval, the test results, the world leader in induction lamps right here in the USA. I believed all of it.

Sure they were more expensive @ $1200 for the fixture with veg lamp and another $375 for the bloom lamp but I saw that as justified since I would get the return after a harvest or two. But they lied and the graph is just the most obvious indication of those lies.

I really wanted to make a difference and I truly believed by getting behind this technology than I could get more people to buy them and I could watch the gardens come in, hear the positive results and feel that in some small way I helped move the tide from HID systems to a more energy efficient light source. Just the opposite has happened. You guys have tolerated me and spent the time to show me where the misrepresentations have been made. The iGROW lights may work, but they are misrepresenting to what they consider to be a gullible uninformed market, what their lamps actually emit.

By stating they as a company are not growers and than claiming to have hired leaders in the industry to design their custom phosphor blends which ends up not even being an induction lamp shown in their spectral graph is trying to put an arms length spin on an out right lie. As I write this I'm saddened and pissed. I apologize for my initial zeal and how I came on to endorse iGROW. These guys are crooks and liars who fuck with patients while dressed up in an American flag.

I would like to think that there are companies out there that may one day take up this technology for the right reasons. But like Kite says it's unfortunate that all these companies lie, some more effectively than others, with their bullshit yields and photoshopped images. After this I can't say I believe any of their claims now. But now that I've seen how this game is played I will stick to HID lamps over LED and induction since they are proven to deliver the best results contrary to what the tiny minority of these competing technology devotees would have us believe. What a bullshit world we live in.

FUCK!!!
 
Hey Gordo, I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. It was you who posted up the graphs that no one else was able to find on the igrow site or anywhere else on the internet and get them to confirm that these were their emitted wavelengths. I only looked at the presentation you posted up and noticed the obvious. With any luck you've done the dealers who sell this brand a favor by pointing out in a public forum what they probably already suspect. This flowering chart of theirs is so obviously not their flowering lamp, or any induction lamp, as evidenced by the missing mercury peaks but they also shifted an actual HPS spectral distribution graph to the left, into visible spectrum's, not to the right where it would have been desirable for flowering. Rookie shit. So much for 15 years of research. What do you want to bet that the the next igrow flowering spectrum's will show the mercury peaks and they'll correct the shift to the right where it belongs.

As to Kites statement that Inda-Gro lies, just more effectively than igrow, perhaps he has some first hand experiences we don't know about. Having personally dealt with Inda-Gro products on a couple of projects now I can tell you that I've never been lied to by them and if anything they understate what can be expected of their products while letting the gardens speak for themselves. They also don't point to bogus university research, patents or USDA certifications that don't exist. Notwithstanding the RIU journals with their products you can find dozens of grow journals on their FB links and on their high res galleries off of their home page.

Everyone has an opinion as to what works best for them. You did your research and discovered that all lights (any lights) are not created equal. So for every Kite out there who would bundle LED/Induction together and dismiss these technologies as less than relevant there are just as many who happily harvest gardens with these very same technologies. Do you really believe that all the HID lamp/ballast guys claims are factually accurate and pure as the driven snow especially when it comes to performance claims against their competitors? puhleez.

Here's an email I just got today;

Whaddup Chaz,

OK, I'm impressed. I'm willing to bet now, with 4 weeks to completion, this will be the best "harvest" since moving from Dispensary Environment to small inside grow. The initial investment and unsure of the possible results from Induction Lighting was a serious concern, however, the purchase has been the best decision for my medicinal grow environment.

Current Environment:

1. high temp issues gone
2. nats gone
3. humidity 30 - 35 %
4. daytime temps 78 degrees
5. night time temp 66 degrees
6. replacing water in complete system every 7 days utilizing 15 - 8 gallon bucket system (Current Culture System).
7. Co2 running up to 1500 ppm during daylight hours
8. Consistent feeding schedule with PPM < 900 using IONIC Nutrients

My AK47 @ Week 5 Day 1 of Flower
Wk5-day1-flower.jpgInduction1.jpg

I'm so glad I made the change from my previous 6 light HID setup to 4 of the Inda-Gro lights in a 6x10' area and when finances allow I will be adding 2 pontoons.

Thanks again for all your support and advice..... Live Strong,

Paco
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Gordo buy whatever you're going to buy and get on with it. These technologies are going to continue to gain market share over HID and will do so in spite of companies like igrow.
 
gordobo said:
Thanks Kite for confirming what I was afraid of. Man do I feel like an idiot. I bought into this technology because since I was a child I've been a huge Tesla fan. When I got behind this technology it was because I thought there was real research being done here in the USA that would bring Tesla's induction lighting systems to the grower. Thinking it would be a way to cut back on all the HID lamps that growers buy and than just toss out at 1/2 life. As a way to save power while still bringing in food and med crops year round. I wanted to believe iGROW. Their presentations made sense to me. The university research, the USDA approval, the test results, the world leader in induction lamps right here in the USA. I believed all of it.

Sure they were more expensive @ $1200 for the fixture with veg lamp and another $375 for the bloom lamp but I saw that as justified since I would get the return after a harvest or two. But they lied and the graph is just the most obvious indication of those lies.

I really wanted to make a difference and I truly believed by getting behind this technology than I could get more people to buy them and I could watch the gardens come in, hear the positive results and feel that in some small way I helped move the tide from HID systems to a more energy efficient light source. Just the opposite has happened. You guys have tolerated me and spent the time to show me where the misrepresentations have been made. The iGROW lights may work, but they are misrepresenting to what they consider to be a gullible uninformed market, what their lamps actually emit.

By stating they as a company are not growers and than claiming to have hired leaders in the industry to design their custom phosphor blends which ends up not even being an induction lamp shown in their spectral graph is trying to put an arms length spin on an out right lie. As I write this I'm saddened and pissed. I apologize for my initial zeal and how I came on to endorse iGROW. These guys are crooks and liars who fuck with patients while dressed up in an American flag.

I would like to think that there are companies out there that may one day take up this technology for the right reasons. But like Kite says it's unfortunate that all these companies lie, some more effectively than others, with their bullshit yields and photoshopped images. After this I can't say I believe any of their claims now. But now that I've seen how this game is played I will stick to HID lamps over LED and induction since they are proven to deliver the best results contrary to what the tiny minority of these competing technology devotees would have us believe. What a bullshit world we live in.

FUCK!!!
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Takes balls to admit when you're wrong. Especially in public.

Kudos, mayne.
 
Thanks Beef. It was a plate of humble pie I had not expected to eat.

Chaz you're garden looks beautiful bro. There is no doubt that guys like you and Spliff have skills working with these lights. In looking at that iGROW graph I can see what you mean. They pushed it to the left not the right. UFB! I don't think I would want to bet you on whether or not this will be 'corrected' on their next publication.
 
jediog said:
&#8220;If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.&#8221;


&#8213; Nikola Tesla
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It`s also the best way to make a woman cum lol

@Gordobo buddy we tried to tell you man but I`m happy to see you finally saw the light

There`s no ideal grow light but I have converted one hps grower recently as he had a loft space I lent him 2 x 300w led panles 2w chip models in reality the 2 of them draw around 500w and he fully admits that they are doing a bit better then a 600w would lets see what he thinks in 4 weeks time when he finishes

Now there old panels but they were read heavy I got some pretty frosty bud out of them I think I paid £300 for both of them and had 2 or 3 harvests out of them after he`s done with them someone else wants to borrow them, its great for me because I just ask for some of the crop :P

Oh yeah induction lamps can give out around 3% uvb the glass there made from makes it harder to get more then that out of them but people growing with them that used to use 12% uvb reptile bulbs say they see no real difference so induction must give a decent enough level of uvb but nothing like you`d get up in the Kush.

Anyway man I still think a china made "bloom" induction lamp or a 3000k one and a few leds is the way to go, way less heat and you have 2 lights so if one has a problem you can still keep the plants going I mean a few days with just leds or just induction won`t kill them, I like that about my set up I could lose 1 induction and 1 led unit and still be ok with 1 led unit and some cfl`s for a time at least.
 
chazbolin said:
Hey Gordo, I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. It was you who posted up the graphs that no one else was able to find on the igrow site or anywhere else on the internet and get them to confirm that these were their emitted wavelengths. I only looked at the presentation you posted up and noticed the obvious. With any luck you've done the dealers who sell this brand a favor by pointing out in a public forum what they probably already suspect. This flowering chart of theirs is so obviously not their flowering lamp, or any induction lamp, as evidenced by the missing mercury peaks but they also shifted an actual HPS spectral distribution graph to the left, into visible spectrum's, not to the right where it would have been desirable for flowering. Rookie shit. So much for 15 years of research. What do you want to bet that the the next igrow flowering spectrum's will show the mercury peaks and they'll correct the shift to the right where it belongs.

As to Kites statement that Inda-Gro lies, just more effectively than igrow, perhaps he has some first hand experiences we don't know about. Having personally dealt with Inda-Gro products on a couple of projects now I can tell you that I've never been lied to by them and if anything they understate what can be expected of their products while letting the gardens speak for themselves. They also don't point to bogus university research, patents or USDA certifications that don't exist. Notwithstanding the RIU journals with their products you can find dozens of grow journals on their FB links and on their high res galleries off of their home page.

Everyone has an opinion as to what works best for them. You did your research and discovered that all lights (any lights) are not created equal. So for every Kite out there who would bundle LED/Induction together and dismiss these technologies as less than relevant there are just as many who happily harvest gardens with these very same technologies. Do you really believe that all the HID lamp/ballast guys claims are factually accurate and pure as the driven snow especially when it comes to performance claims against their competitors? puhleez.

Here's an email I just got today;



Gordo buy whatever you're going to buy and get on with it. These technologies are going to continue to gain market share over HID and will do so in spite of companies like igrow.
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Oh believe me hortilux, lumatek etc and so on all lie as well...for instance sunpulse in particular only manipulate the green and yellow portions of the spectrum to change the Kelvin numbers to what would seem to be better for different stages of growth....and we all know that blue and red parts of the spectrum is what is more important and kelvin really does not matter...well we know this but most do not they just go for the hype

Let me reiterate that there are many scenarios in which led or induction may have merit and anyone who wishes to $$$ delve into and use them I am happy for...as eventually something better will come along as when hid invaded and took over the grow scene from fluorescent tubes

Been in this game a long time and have witnessed many claims about better cooler safer less power and read all the junk science but upon implementation the results do not back up the junk science pure poppycock bullshit that I have not witnessed occur ever... such as the LED claims that a 240 watt panel will outgrow a 1000 watt hid...

So I am watching and waiting...and IMO mh plasma will get there soon and hopefully leds as well and outperform hid...but until I witness this occur as the norm in actual growing by a large enough following, I pretty much disregard the claims until I see the results to back it up

There are two trends I have noticed in manufacturers that cause me to doubt them...lotsa "scientific words" to bamboozle your minds and outrageous pricing...when those two are present then my "bullshit" detector fires alarm

Another area of lighting that is just as corrupt is uvb lighting...so many lies there abound from no uvb to uvc emissions as well as the horti groups claims that their bulb emits uv or leds saying they include uv...bogus

uv leds priices make it impossible
 
Wow, tried to stay away from this thread because it caused me to think what is wrong with people and the companies that either hire or do the shilling themselves. But WOW what a piece of you know what.

i continue to use iGROW filled my whole room with them and posted my threads about my grows,

DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO KNOW HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS?

IT IS FUNNY THAT I DID NOT HAVE THIS MANY COMMENTS AND LIKES ON A GREAT GROW AND GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH IGROW

WONDER WHY?

NO SHILLERS

peace out
 
SteveyG said:
Wow, tried to stay away from this thread because it caused me to think what is wrong with people and the companies that either hire or do the shilling themselves. But WOW what a piece of you know what.

i continue to use iGROW filled my whole room with them and posted my threads about my grows,

DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO KNOW HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS?

IT IS FUNNY THAT I DID NOT HAVE THIS MANY COMMENTS AND LIKES ON A GREAT GROW AND GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH IGROW

WONDER WHY?

NO SHILLERS

peace out
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I have been there and seen it....not for me as I am not into lollipopping
 
Let me reiterate that there are many scenarios in which led or induction may have merit and anyone who wishes to $$$ delve into and use them I am happy for...as eventually something better will come along as when hid invaded and took over the grow scene from fluorescent tubes
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Now your dating yourself...

Wow, tried to stay away from this thread because it caused me to think what is wrong with people and the companies that either hire or do the shilling themselves. But WOW what a piece of you know what.
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SteveyG is back. Kinda thought you and Gordo were one in the same since the igrow rant was so rah rah. But Gordo did more due diligence than you ever did and it appears he's had an epiphany of sorts. Shouldn't have left him so alone.
 
chazbolin said:
Now your dating yourself...



SteveyG is back. Kinda thought you and Gordo were one in the same since the igrow rant was so rah rah. But Gordo did more due diligence than you ever did and it appears he's had an epiphany of sorts. Shouldn't have left him so alone.
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yep I am old...lol...been at this a while
 
I'm still pissed off. I sent this to iGROW so they know that this has not gone unnoticed.

Mr Senders,

I have to tell you that I am very disappointed with the response you gave me on your spectrum graphs. I've been defending iGROW now for over two months on the rollitup forums where I first was introduced to your products by SteveyG. Being a major fan of Telsa I was promoting the virtues of a US made lamp that was energy efficient and had all the credentials that your company had pointed to.


I took ALOT of heat for that position with members telling me I was shilling for your company and saying everything was just repurposed chinese lighting. I defended you guys and pointed them to your video's that I thought were excellent and on point. Not a bunch of mumbo jumbo. But when I posted up your spectrum graphs showing the flowering and veg spectrums you claim to emit I was jumped on by the 2700K spectrum that you claim your lamp emits. I was not aware that this would be such a profound piece of data but members on that site pointed out that the mercury spikes were missing in the flower lamp and they were showing in the veg lamp. With an induction lamp, where mercury must be used to carry the current this is a peak that would show in every lamp but it's not showing on yours. Needless to say I was thumped pretty hard for this.


Some of the responses were that you published an HPS graph and instead of moving the wavelengths into the red spectrums you mistakenly moved them into the visible. If you look at the chart you'll see this for yourself. You'll also see the mercury peaks on the 5000 kelvin lamp that are missing on the 2700 kelvin lamp. I made myself look like a gullible idiot.
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They will at least know that some of us do care what we put in our gardens and will not be easily taken advantage of.
 
I'm speechless. Representative...WTF does an HPS spectral graph have to do with your lamp? It's kinda like showing you a picture of a Mercedes S Class and selling you a VW as it's representative of a German car with 4 wheels. Is there a rabbit hole around here I slipped and fell into?

PK.
Sorry to hear that. If I would have known that's what you were doing with the info I would have told you not to do it. I saw what happened. You need to know that these guys by and large on the forums are company insiders and look for opportunities to jump on unsuspecting people like you just wanting legitimate info and do nothing more than spread out right lies and disinformation. When you see Haters like these guys run as far as you can, they are a bunch of dishonest losers.
If you look at my reply to you I said the graphs were representative of the lights. We do not publish our actual graphs and spectral info, because we do not want anyone especially these guys and our competitors knowing our science and technology. Really sorry you got beat up. They are bullies who are not interested in helping just hurting.
If you want more info please feel free to call me directly at our office.
C.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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All this on an iGROW forum and this is their response. Color me done with these guys.

Mr. Senders,

You can not be serious with that response. You had my complete support. no more. Calling me a dishonest loser. Go fuck yourself and the whole made in the USA bullshit you guys wrap yourself in. This has been a real education for me. You and your company are not to be trusted.
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gordobo said:
I'm speechless. Representative...WTF does an HPS spectral graph have to do with your lamp? It's kinda like showing you a picture of a Mercedes S Class and selling you a VW as it's representative of a German car with 4 wheels. Is there a rabbit hole around here I slipped and fell into?



All this on an iGROW forum and this is their response. Color me done with these guys.
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So since Cary feels this way and is looking ...this is for you





  • PK.
    Sorry to hear that. If I would have known that's what you were doing with the info I would have told you not to do it. I saw what happened. You need to know that these guys by and large on the forums are company insiders and look for opportunities to jump on unsuspecting people like you just wanting legitimate info and do nothing more than spread out right lies and disinformation. When you see Haters like these guys run as far as you can, they are a bunch of dishonest losers.
    If you look at my reply to you I said the graphs were representative of the lights. We do not publish our actual graphs and spectral info, because we do not want anyone especially these guys and our competitors knowing our science and technology. Really sorry you got beat up. They are bullies who are not interested in helping just hurting.
    If you want more info please feel free to call me directly at our office.
    C.
    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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