Sincerely420
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ChiefsitandChief
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Man and after all them grows I haven't had the urge to go to hps till recently and if I do i'm going to perpetual it out to where I harvest a plant every month.
giggles26
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I was the same way, but I tell you what I love me some HPS buds, I'll never go back with the growth I have under MH/HPS.
Except my perpetual is a plant every 2 weeks when I'm in full swing
Sincerely420
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Call that goin' to #work
giggles26
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Ok guys no pictures today but will try updating with some pics tomorrow.
Just a lil update:
Trimmed up vinnie yesterday to allow light to the lower bud sites.
Watered with plain water as were in the final 3 weeks, will give her one last tea tomorrow with molasses, will be used more as sweetener and to keep the organisms alive and kicking below ground.
New seedlings are doing good and starting their 2nd set of true leaves
My recently FIM'd girls are doing good, secret strain has 3 heads and vintage clone was topped and resulted in 2 heads.
Oh here is a sample of what I'm using for veg teas
Simple Veg tea
25% Compost
10% Straw
30% Organic Compounds (sea kelp, alfalfa meal, bone/blood meal)
30% Worm Castings
5% Molasses
Have fun guys and enjoy!
Just a lil update:
Trimmed up vinnie yesterday to allow light to the lower bud sites.
Watered with plain water as were in the final 3 weeks, will give her one last tea tomorrow with molasses, will be used more as sweetener and to keep the organisms alive and kicking below ground.
New seedlings are doing good and starting their 2nd set of true leaves
My recently FIM'd girls are doing good, secret strain has 3 heads and vintage clone was topped and resulted in 2 heads.
Oh here is a sample of what I'm using for veg teas
Simple Veg tea
25% Compost
10% Straw
30% Organic Compounds (sea kelp, alfalfa meal, bone/blood meal)
30% Worm Castings
5% Molasses
Have fun guys and enjoy!
Shwagbag
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I was the same way, but I tell you what I love me some HPS buds, I'll never go back with the growth I have under MH/HPS.
Except my perpetual is a plant every 2 weeks when I'm in full swing
I started out with 8 plants under an 4' 8 bulb T5 system. Once they were mature it didn't take me long to upgrade lol. I had full intentions of just flowering with T5 initially, and that was over by the time they vegged for about 4 weeks. Never looked back after that. I had 4 females and I knocked down 3.5 zips per plant my first harvest, all organic. There's nothing like filling up grocery bags full of gnarly nugz for the first time lol. Just looking at the bags was a high in itself!
giggles26
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Ok time for a lil knowledge for you guys, if you want to go full on organic give this a read.
Compost Tea-
Compost Tea is more or less a liquid version of your compost pile. This simple version is take your compost; throw it in a bucket filled with water for a week; strain; and Voila! you have compost tea. We will start with this, and work our way into better teas.
Why it works-
In organic gardening fore-thought and time are your biggest allies. There are not many 'instantaneous' nutrients that you can use to 'fix' your problems. You can't put raw sea kelp on your soil and expect it to work at all, this is because organic matter is a Compound, and nutrients that your plant can uptake are elements. There is a big rift in this site on the knowledge of how organics work (I think through the horrible marketing of these 'organic extracts') Organic gardening works because of a Microherd. The bacteria and fungi that live in your soil. These organisms work to break down these Organic Compounds into Simple Elementsso that they may be taken in by the plant directly. When you look at a box of organic nutrients and you see an NPK ratio, that is not instant, that is what is left after it is broken down through composting (whether in your soil, or in your teas)
Basically, bacteria break it down, fungi move it around and into the roots.
Cannabis and Compost Tea-
The ratio of bacteria - fungi is rather important as you go through your cycle of life. Most plants prefer one or the other, however Cannabis is a little strange being an annual it changes it's needs based on the period of it's life cycle. All plants do this to a point, but with the strains bred over time to take on more nutrients then it would in nature, Cannabis is a fickle girl to get the most out of her. Teas strong in Bacterial count are great for vegetation phase, and the stretch phase of flower, this is because Cannabis takes up WAY more nitrogen then any other nutrient and this uptake is needed during the growth of the leaves and stems. The bacteria are needed to keep breaking down your nitrogen so the plant can uptake it. After the stretch (which means start during as organics do take time) fungal teas are more useful. Some Fungi are known to allow plants to absorb more K (needed for flower!) and allow greater movement of nutrients throughout the soil. You don't need the breaking down from bacteria as much, as they have been releasing the P and K that the plant hasn't used.
A note about a particular fungi-
What Are Mycorrhizae?
“Mycor” – “rhiza” literally means “fungus” – “root” and defines the mutually beneficial relationship between the plant and root fungus. These specialized fungi colonize plant roots and extend far into the soil. Mycorrhizal fungal filaments in the soil are truly extensions of root systems and are more effective in nutrient and water absorption than the roots themselves. More than 90 percent of plant species in natural areas form a symbiotic relationship with the beneficial mycorrhizal fungi.
http://www.mycorrhiza.com/?cid=60
Here is a little list of regular additions to compost teas, giving you an idea of what types of ingrediants promote which growth
[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD]White Sugar[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[TD]Maple Syrup[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Corn Syrup[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[TD]Cane Sugar[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Molasses[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Fish Emulsion[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fruit Pulp[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Fish Hydrolysate[/TD]
[TD]Fungi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kelp[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Ground Oatmeal[/TD]
[TD]Fungi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rock Dusts[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Yucca[/TD]
[TD]Fungi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Humic Acids[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Soybean Meal[/TD]
[TD]Fungi
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Compost Tea-
Compost Tea is more or less a liquid version of your compost pile. This simple version is take your compost; throw it in a bucket filled with water for a week; strain; and Voila! you have compost tea. We will start with this, and work our way into better teas.
Why it works-
In organic gardening fore-thought and time are your biggest allies. There are not many 'instantaneous' nutrients that you can use to 'fix' your problems. You can't put raw sea kelp on your soil and expect it to work at all, this is because organic matter is a Compound, and nutrients that your plant can uptake are elements. There is a big rift in this site on the knowledge of how organics work (I think through the horrible marketing of these 'organic extracts') Organic gardening works because of a Microherd. The bacteria and fungi that live in your soil. These organisms work to break down these Organic Compounds into Simple Elementsso that they may be taken in by the plant directly. When you look at a box of organic nutrients and you see an NPK ratio, that is not instant, that is what is left after it is broken down through composting (whether in your soil, or in your teas)
Basically, bacteria break it down, fungi move it around and into the roots.
Cannabis and Compost Tea-
The ratio of bacteria - fungi is rather important as you go through your cycle of life. Most plants prefer one or the other, however Cannabis is a little strange being an annual it changes it's needs based on the period of it's life cycle. All plants do this to a point, but with the strains bred over time to take on more nutrients then it would in nature, Cannabis is a fickle girl to get the most out of her. Teas strong in Bacterial count are great for vegetation phase, and the stretch phase of flower, this is because Cannabis takes up WAY more nitrogen then any other nutrient and this uptake is needed during the growth of the leaves and stems. The bacteria are needed to keep breaking down your nitrogen so the plant can uptake it. After the stretch (which means start during as organics do take time) fungal teas are more useful. Some Fungi are known to allow plants to absorb more K (needed for flower!) and allow greater movement of nutrients throughout the soil. You don't need the breaking down from bacteria as much, as they have been releasing the P and K that the plant hasn't used.
A note about a particular fungi-
What Are Mycorrhizae?
“Mycor” – “rhiza” literally means “fungus” – “root” and defines the mutually beneficial relationship between the plant and root fungus. These specialized fungi colonize plant roots and extend far into the soil. Mycorrhizal fungal filaments in the soil are truly extensions of root systems and are more effective in nutrient and water absorption than the roots themselves. More than 90 percent of plant species in natural areas form a symbiotic relationship with the beneficial mycorrhizal fungi.
http://www.mycorrhiza.com/?cid=60
Here is a little list of regular additions to compost teas, giving you an idea of what types of ingrediants promote which growth
[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD]White Sugar[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[TD]Maple Syrup[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Corn Syrup[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[TD]Cane Sugar[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Molasses[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Fish Emulsion[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fruit Pulp[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Fish Hydrolysate[/TD]
[TD]Fungi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kelp[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Ground Oatmeal[/TD]
[TD]Fungi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rock Dusts[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Yucca[/TD]
[TD]Fungi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Humic Acids[/TD]
[TD]Bacteria/Fungi[/TD]
[TD]Soybean Meal[/TD]
[TD]Fungi
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Sincerely420
New Member
Marvelous post brother! Only thing I see missing from the equation is the aeration or oxygenation of the water!
You're spot on indeed about the simplest way to brew compost tea tho bro! At least from all I've learned!
The aeration of the compost tea, making it an AACT(actively aerated compost tea) is the EXACT same thing that you've mentioned above, just SUPERCHARGED so that you can get to the end result within a day or two days max!
And worm castings in that bottom list! They're great for brewing bacterially dominant teas, which are great for veg as you've mentioned already brother
You're spot on indeed about the simplest way to brew compost tea tho bro! At least from all I've learned!
The aeration of the compost tea, making it an AACT(actively aerated compost tea) is the EXACT same thing that you've mentioned above, just SUPERCHARGED so that you can get to the end result within a day or two days max!
And worm castings in that bottom list! They're great for brewing bacterially dominant teas, which are great for veg as you've mentioned already brother
giggles26
Well-Known Member
You mean this 420?
In our Nursery I use straw as my primary fungal food, most organic carbon matter is great for fungi to attach to; and sugars (molasses/sugars/etc.) this directly feeds the bacteria so they can multiply.
Back to the original recipe, Compost + Water + Time= compost tea.
Now we want to supercharge this tea with aeration, this will provide a couple of HUGE benefits. The first being, harmful bacteria are more prevalent to anaerobic conditions (no air involved), Ecoli is one you probably recognize, it doesn't thrive will in aerated teas, but in a anaerobic tea, it breeds like crazy. Also this provides a constant movement of the water, circulating the microorganisms so they can work together better and reproduce much much more quickly. The difference in time is from weeks to days.
Now looking at our simple tea Compost, Water, Air,[less] time = better tea. But we are still missing the fungal part. We have bred a great amount of bacteria but there is nothing for the fungi to attach to and the bacteria have overgrown them. Add any kind of raw organic matter that will float, you don't need to over do it, but a handful of ground oats, a bit of straw cut up, some raw sea kelp, whatever you have around will do if your compost is good from the beginning.
I also have a great tip, if you are having problems getting your fungi to get moving go to a nice fertile forest bed and dig a handful of soil out, this is so full of fungi that you won't need much else to get it started.
Now to balance out the fungus and bacteria I add a couple spoonfuls of raw molasses to feed the bacteria.
So our simple tea is getting more complicated, but still very simple.
Water
Compost
Forest Soil
Organic Matter (something that floats!)
Sugars
Aeration
Organic Compounds
Time
This should be your base for all compost teas. Now any Organic Compounds you add to it will get broken down very quickly (in a matter of days) so the nutrients will be usable to the plant, as well as supercharging the micro herd in your soil. How you alter the ratios of the ingrediants above denotes how bacterial/fugal your tea is.
Very Simply, bacterial compost can be made using 30% floating organic material, 45% organic compounds (bone meal, guano etc,) and 25% compost; whereas, fungal compost can be made using 45% floating organic material, 30% organic compounds, and 25% compost. If you would like to create a more balanced compost, use 35% floating organic material, 35% organic compounds, and 30% compost.
In our Nursery I use straw as my primary fungal food, most organic carbon matter is great for fungi to attach to; and sugars (molasses/sugars/etc.) this directly feeds the bacteria so they can multiply.
Back to the original recipe, Compost + Water + Time= compost tea.
Now we want to supercharge this tea with aeration, this will provide a couple of HUGE benefits. The first being, harmful bacteria are more prevalent to anaerobic conditions (no air involved), Ecoli is one you probably recognize, it doesn't thrive will in aerated teas, but in a anaerobic tea, it breeds like crazy. Also this provides a constant movement of the water, circulating the microorganisms so they can work together better and reproduce much much more quickly. The difference in time is from weeks to days.
Now looking at our simple tea Compost, Water, Air,[less] time = better tea. But we are still missing the fungal part. We have bred a great amount of bacteria but there is nothing for the fungi to attach to and the bacteria have overgrown them. Add any kind of raw organic matter that will float, you don't need to over do it, but a handful of ground oats, a bit of straw cut up, some raw sea kelp, whatever you have around will do if your compost is good from the beginning.
I also have a great tip, if you are having problems getting your fungi to get moving go to a nice fertile forest bed and dig a handful of soil out, this is so full of fungi that you won't need much else to get it started.
Now to balance out the fungus and bacteria I add a couple spoonfuls of raw molasses to feed the bacteria.
So our simple tea is getting more complicated, but still very simple.
Water
Compost
Forest Soil
Organic Matter (something that floats!)
Sugars
Aeration
Organic Compounds
Time
This should be your base for all compost teas. Now any Organic Compounds you add to it will get broken down very quickly (in a matter of days) so the nutrients will be usable to the plant, as well as supercharging the micro herd in your soil. How you alter the ratios of the ingrediants above denotes how bacterial/fugal your tea is.
Very Simply, bacterial compost can be made using 30% floating organic material, 45% organic compounds (bone meal, guano etc,) and 25% compost; whereas, fungal compost can be made using 45% floating organic material, 30% organic compounds, and 25% compost. If you would like to create a more balanced compost, use 35% floating organic material, 35% organic compounds, and 30% compost.
Sincerely420
New Member
Very nice! Haha. By the end we're all done here. Growing weed will be SO EASY that a caveman could do it haha!
I'm talking you'd have to be blind or just an idiot not to be able to grow thriving pot as easy as 1-2-3!
Very nice bossman
I'm talking you'd have to be blind or just an idiot not to be able to grow thriving pot as easy as 1-2-3!
Very nice bossman
giggles26
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Then do it bro! I love it so much, it relaxes me so much and I love that you can put so much time and engergy into something and then reap it's rewards at the end. It's such a beautiful plant. I love gardening but if you do it go organic bro, there is no other way to grow this plant once you have done it organically.
giggles26
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Ok guys I know I said no pics today but I decided what the hell I'll go take a look at my girls and see how they are doing and I'm sure glad I did.
Here's vinnie day 28 12/12, has 20-25 days left.
And just some sexy frost shots
All new seedlings looking good and healthy
3 Headed Monster
Peace
Giggles.
Here's vinnie day 28 12/12, has 20-25 days left.
And just some sexy frost shots
All new seedlings looking good and healthy
3 Headed Monster
Peace
Giggles.
bassman999
Well-Known Member
Vinnie is a straight monster bro!
I heard organic yielded less, but maybe that was written by someone that never tried it?
Seems to yield well looking at yers.
I heard organic yielded less, but maybe that was written by someone that never tried it?
Seems to yield well looking at yers.
giggles26
Well-Known Member
Hahaha I'm excited to see what she yields and to make some concentrates
Oh and the sugar leaves are going to be nice Seems that I'm yielding just fine doesn't it? lol
I yield more in organics then I did with bottled nutes.
polyarcturus
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subbed up! looks like the party already stared!
Sincerely420
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Just noticed your avi change! Nice! It's just the opposite of mine haha but very nice nevertheless
ChiefsitandChief
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That 3 headed monster is going to be special...
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