"Why does anybody need an assault weapon"

[cannabineer]

Definition was too strong a word, "general personal understanding of meaning" wouldve been more accurate

I actually went to the web because I suddenly didn't trust my own general understanding of the meaning. I'm glad i did, because mine was a bit askew. cn

 

[Harrekin]

I actually went to the web because I suddenly didn't trust my own general understanding of the meaning. I'm glad i did, because mine was a bit askew. cn

Without the military, it's not very "martial law-y" tho, is it?

 

[cannabineer]

Without the military, it's not very "martial law-y" tho, is it?

I read "martial" as meaning "pertaining to war". So i agree ... no war without a military. cn

 

[Harrekin]

I read "martial" as meaning "pertaining to war". So i agree ... no war without a military. cn

I'm pretty high, your writing finesse suggests you arnt sufficiently medicated.

Torch that shit up, for martial law!

 

[cannabineer]

I'm pretty high, your writing finesse suggests you arnt sufficiently medicated.

Torch that shit up, for martial law!

It's a bit early in the day for me. "This isn't sobriety, Officer ... it's a Cannabis deficiency!" cn

 

[Harrekin]

It's a bit early in the day for me. "This isn't sobriety, Officer ... it's a Cannabis deficiency!" cn

Oh yeah, it's only early afternoon over there.

Keep forgetting that.

 

[Doer]

Reading more, I'd say, it means, in general, using the Military to enforce the common law plus whatever military restriction.

So, it means, at least, suspension of posse comitadus, on the National Level. And the States have declared martial law outlined in their sovereign consitutions. I guess they use National Guard units.

There. We all learned something.

 

[Harrekin]

Reading more, I'd say, it means, in general, using the Military to enforce the common law plus whatever military restriction.

So, it means, at least, suspension of posse comitadus, on the National Level. And the States have declared martial law outlined in their sovereign consitutions. I guess they use National Guard units.

There. We all learned something.

Just wondering, are there many genuine militias operating in the US today?

If so, how do they fit into any potential martial law situation?

 

[Doer]

Oh yeah, it's only early afternoon over there.

Keep forgetting that.

Fortunately that doesn't slow me down, at all.

 

[cannabineer]

Just wondering, are there many genuine militias operating in the US today?

If so, how do they fit into any potential martial law situation?

I'd say it depends on whose definition of militia we select. If we go by Justice Breyer (who has stated that the Second Amendment protects a state's right to arm a militia and no more than that), it's the National Guard et al. cn

 

[Doer]

Just wondering, are there many genuine militias operating in the US today?

If so, how do they fit into any potential martial law situation?

That is an interesting question. And I think it has a simple answer. (pause for puff) I assume you mean the anti-govt militas. There are quite a few, many more I think, pro-govt Milita. The Virgina Rifles, for example.

So, with martial law, comes conscription. You are part of the problem, unless part of the solution. You can sort of see why we keep and bear arms and why martial law has never been established nationally.

How's that?

 

[Harrekin]

That is an interesting question. And I think it has a simple answer. (pause for puff) I assume you mean the anti-govt militas. There are quite a few, many more I think, pro-govt Milita. The Virgina Rifles, for example.

So, with martial law, comes conscription. You are part of the problem, unless part of the solution. You can sort of see why we keep and bear arms and why martial law has never been established nationally.

How's that?

I mean militia in the 2nd Amendment sense, a citizens militia to protect itself from tyranny.

 

[cannabineer]

I mean militia in the 2nd Amendment sense, a citizens militia to protect itself from tyranny.

In the classical sense, every able-bodied male (adult now that we recognize women) between 15 and 60 was a default member of the militia. cn

 

[Harrekin]

In the classical sense, every able-bodied male (adult now that we recognize women) between 15 and 60 was a default member of the militia. cn

But in the modern sense pertaining to the 2nd, do they exist?

Also, is martial law not by default a way to (one hopes only temporarily) "remove" the rights afforded by the 2nd?

 

[cannabineer]

But in the modern sense pertaining to the 2nd, do they exist?

Also, is martial law not by default a way to (one hopes only temporarily) "remove" the rights afforded by the 2nd?

An interesting question. I don't know. cn

 

[Doer]

Well, yes. Every State has organized Militia, Guard troops, and Civilian militia. Here's a list of the Official Chaptered civil militia. And, then there is Klan militia and Jihad militia also, along with the Ruby Ridge, Utah Militia types.

And there are highly armed Communist Militia, Shining Path, for example. And drug gangs with turf loyalities.

And, if it really hit the shit, the militia units will volunteer or train in reserve. It becomes very official. Very Martial. And, if the Jihadist think it is the chance, that's what the Klan is for. And, military rule may mean that all are armed or none.

BUT, if WE think it is a veiled attempt to suspend the 2nd A, the shit will truly hit the fan.

http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/list-of-u-s-militia-groups/

 

[budlover13]

But in the modern sense pertaining to the 2nd, do they exist?

Also, is martial law not by default a way to (one hopes only temporarily) "remove" the rights afforded by the 2nd?

Well, martial law is one of the first steps in ATTEMPTING to remove rights......

 

[Doer]

Exactly. But, it is also the first step to quell rioting, unrest and sudden lawlessness of any kind.

And when we look a those Chapter statements of these various Militia Units, well, we see serious individuals, right?

As much as it is in the press about fomenting strife for news, for every President in his second term, they start this shit.

OH NO. Bush will declare martial law to stay President.

Then it is OH YES, Obama could declare martial law and stay President.

These armed militia don't have to say a word. They have their Charters in place. They are deadly serious about it.

It's in the Constitution to be so serious. And there are networked comms among these units in the modern day.

If the Press is the 4th branch of Govt, in the USA these Militia are the 5th Branch.

 

[Dr Kynes]

But in the modern sense pertaining to the 2nd, do they exist?

Also, is martial law not by default a way to (one hopes only temporarily) "remove" the rights afforded by the 2nd?

the Militia Act of 1794 as ammended by the Dick Act of 1908 is still the law of the land.

the legal standing of every male between 16 and 60 as a member of the militia is the reason the draft is legal. you cannot draft a person who is not a member of the militia, since the draft is actually calling up individuals rather than a militia unit for service under arms.

without the Militia Act and the Dick Act there can be no national guard, no reserves, and no army or airforce, since all these organizations are created through an elaborate fictionalization of the principles in the Militia Act and the Dick Act.

the militias are still mandated, every state is required to have one, but the milita of each state is now operated by the federal government as the "Organized Militia" which is the national guard and every male (still male only since its a responsibility not a benefit) is a member of the "Unorganized Militia" which is actually every person born a male (sorry trannies) whether they like it or not who is not a cripple, in prison, or legally insane between 16 and 60.

further those persons who fall into that category are REQUIRED to keep at their own expense a rifle of a type in common use at the time, and sufficient ammunition and "Other Equipment" sufficent to go on campaign for a month without re-supply.

since those provisions were last altered in 1908, before gun control nonsense began, the authors (the founding fathers, and the 1908 congress) we can therefore understand, were NOT talking about muskets. in 1908, semi auto and fully auto weapons were all the rage, grenades were still legal, and a person could own a personal artillery piece or cannon.

Edit: and the Militia Act and the Dick Act are periodically re-evaluated by the armed forces committees of the congress to determine if they need updating. the last review as i recall, was in 1997. no changes were made.

 

[Harrekin]

the Militia Act of 1794 as ammended by the Dick Act of 1908 is still the law of the land.

the legal standing of every male between 16 and 60 as a member of the militia is the reason the draft is legal. you cannot draft a person who is not a member of the militia, since the draft is actually calling up individuals rather than a militia unit for service under arms.

without the Militia Act and the Dick Act there can be no national guard, no reserves, and no army or airforce, since all these organizations are created through an elaborate fictionalization of the principles in the Militia Act and the Dick Act.

the militias are still mandated, every state is required to have one, but the milita of each state is now operated by the federal government as the "Organized Militia" which is the national guard and every male (still male only since its a responsibility not a benefit) is a member of the "Unorganized Militia" which is actually every person born a male (sorry trannies) whether they like it or not who is not a cripple, in prison, or legally insane between 16 and 60.

further those persons who fall into that category are REQUIRED to keep at their own expense a rifle of a type in common use at the time, and sufficient ammunition and "Other Equipment" sufficent to go on campaign for a month without re-supply.

since those provisions were last altered in 1908, before gun control nonsense began, the authors (the founding fathers, and the 1908 congress) we can therefore understand, were NOT talking about muskets. in 1908, semi auto and fully auto weapons were all the rage, grenades were still legal, and a person could own a personal artillery piece or cannon.

Edit: and the Militia Act and the Dick Act are periodically re-evaluated by the armed forces committees of the congress to determine if they need updating. the last review as i recall, was in 1997. no changes were made.

That's the sort of info I was looking for.

Many thanks.