Any updates on MMJ and Guns

[ProdigalSun]

how did that one make it on the list?

Post #137.

 

[UncleBuck]

The principal of the CT shooting lunged at the shooter in an effort to stop him. Did not end well did it. Now, if the principal had a gun, the bullets could have dont the lunging instead, ending the shooter where he stood.

Similarly, the passengers on 911 that disobeyed the pacifist masters attacked the terrorists, and brought the plane down in a feild, instead of the Capitol, which was its intended target. If even 1/5 of the passengers on those planes had a gun on them, (the approximate ration of armed permit holders), I have no doubt that all the planes could have been lost, but those buildings would have gone untouched.

jared loughner went to the safeway parking lot in tucson with two 33 round magazines.

people on the scene with concealed carry permits did not want to be mistaken for the shooter, so their guns did not prevent the tragedy.

loughner was only stopped when he went to change his magazine, that is when people tackled him to the ground.

had the brady bill still been in effect, he would have only fired 10 bullets before he was stopped.

instead, he fired 33 round before he was stopped.

the 13th bullet killed a little girl.

but hey, we can't limit the capacity of magazines to 10. that would so dearly inconvenience target shooters.

that little girl had to die because you don't understand the constitution.

 

[UncleBuck]

Post #137.

i'm familiar with the post, what part of me giving you hints about the details of marbury v madison is insulting? i was trying to be helpful.

 

[ProdigalSun]

jared loughner went to the safeway parking lot in tucson with two 33 round magazines.

people on the scene with concealed carry permits did not want to be mistaken for the shooter, so their guns did not prevent the tragedy.

loughner was only stopped when he went to change his magazine, that is when people tackled him to the ground.

had the brady bill still been in effect, he would have only fired 10 bullets before he was stopped.

instead, he fired 33 round before he was stopped.

the 13th bullet killed a little girl.

but hey, we can't limit the capacity of magazines to 10. that would so dearly inconvenience target shooters.

that little girl had to die because you don't understand the constitution.

Why limit mags at all. The shooter by your own admission had a higher cap mag than you would have people carry. I can drop an empty mag out of a gun and reload it before the empty one bounces at my feet.

 

[ProdigalSun]

I carry an M&P .40 5" openly, daily. I also carry two extra 15 round mags on my belt, for a total of 46 rounds. If they ban the 15 round mags, I'll simply carry a couple more.

 

[DaleRoberts]

that is delusional.

it took the full military force and might of several nations combined to stop the nazis, a few scattered jews with guns would have made no difference.

listening to your take on history is comical.

i will be completely honest with you Buck. People like you are the people who stay behind the computer with their views and opinions. The reason for this being....people would beat your ass for talking in such a disrespectful and pompous way. I made this thread for reasons other than what you have offered up today. Please take your tree hugging ass to www.butthurtpoliticalrejects.com.

Your opposing views on constitutional issues are one thing...however your hateful and disrespectful attacks are another.


So as a simpleton would say.....Fuck you asshole, kick rocks!

 

[UncleBuck]

Why limit mags at all. The shooter by your own admission had a higher cap mag than you would have people carry. I can drop an empty mag out of a gun and reload it before the empty one bounces at my feet.

so i give you empirical evidence of how lives would be saved not with more guns and higher mags, but with reasonable magazine restrictions, and you ask why limit mags?

what part of the 13th bullet killed that little girl don't you understand?

loughner was only stopped when he went to change mags. people would have lived had he not been able to fire those last 23 rounds.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Why limit mags at all. The shooter by your own admission had a higher cap mag than you would have people carry. I can drop an empty mag out of a gun and reload it before the empty one bounces at my feet.

Of course, someone willing to shoot a congresswoman in the head, or open fire on a bunch of elementary students would have begrudgingly complied with a maximum magazine capacity law.

Delusional indeed.

 

[UncleBuck]

i will be completely honest with you Buck. People like you are the people who stay behind the computer with their views and opinions. The reason for this being....people would beat your ass for talking in such a disrespectful and pompous way. I made this thread for reasons other than what you have offered up today. Please take your tree hugging ass to www.butthurtpoliticalrejects.com.

Your opposing views on constitutional issues are one thing...however your hateful and disrespectful attacks are another.


So as a simpleton would say.....Fuck you asshole, kick rocks!

another internet tough guy.

i find it more insulting that people like notsoprodigalson spread disinformation and lies. that is an insult to intelligence.

calling him a simpleton for spreading such disinformation and lies is an apt descriptor.

 

[UncleBuck]

Of course, someone willing to shoot a congresswoman in the head, or open fire on a bunch of elementary students would have begrudgingly complied with a maximum magazine capacity law.

Delusional indeed.

all of his magazines were purchased legally by his dad.

had the brady bill been in effect, he would have showed up to the safeway parking lot with 10 round mags, not 33 round mags.

had the brady bill been in effect, people would have tackled him after attempting to reload after his 10th round, not his 33rd.

 

[ProdigalSun]

so i give you empirical evidence of how lives would be saved not with more guns and higher mags, but with reasonable magazine restrictions, and you ask why limit mags?

what part of the 13th bullet killed that little girl don't you understand?

loughner was only stopped when he went to change mags. people would have lived had he not been able to fire those last 23 rounds.

Would you have attacked him when he paused to reload?

The first bullet is just as deadly.

Let him start shooting people with even a truckload of ammunition beltfed into his weapon, what difference does it make? If someone isnt allowed to carry a gun to stop him, he is going to continue killing people until the police get there to stop him.

The police have a hit ratio of 20%, it has been well documented. (do your own research). Now, if a person is limited to ten rounds, that means that only a couple rounds would find their mark. Trouble is, when theres more than one attacker, the person suddenly finds themselves with an empty gun, and an armed attacker.

 

[ProdigalSun]

all of his magazines were purchased legally by his dad.

had the brady bill been in effect, he would have showed up to the safeway parking lot with 10 round mags, not 33 round mags.

had the brady bill been in effect, people would have tackled him after attempting to reload after his 10th round, not his 33rd.

Not so much really. He would have just gotten the mag from the streets at a lower price than at the store.

Again, the pause that you so cling to, that you would tackle an armed man within, is less than a second. Think about the situation realistically.

 

[UncleBuck]

Would you have attacked him when he paused to reload?

The first bullet is just as deadly.

Let him start shooting people with even a truckload of ammunition beltfed into his weapon, what difference does it make? If someone isnt allowed to carry a gun to stop him, he is going to continue killing people until the police get there to stop him.

The police have a hit ratio of 20%, it has been well documented. (do your own research). Now, if a person is limited to ten rounds, that means that only a couple rounds would find their mark. Trouble is, when theres more than one attacker, the person suddenly finds themselves with an empty gun, and an armed attacker.

you should be aware that there were people there, on the scene, with guns, and that did not stop the guy, right?

or do you just feel like ignoring that, too? should we put that on your list of things to be ignored, right alongside the constitution, judicial review, heller v DC, and the like?

what else do you want to ignore? reality altogether? apparently so, as evidenced by the third sentence you typed in this mind bogglingly out of touch reply.

 

[UncleBuck]

Not so much really. He would have just gotten the mag from the streets at a lower price than at the store.

Again, the pause that you so cling to, that you would tackle an armed man within, is less than a second. Think about the situation realistically.

loughner didn't buy any ammo, smarty. he took the gun and ammo from his dad, who did purchase it all legally. loughner didn;t really have the money to buy prohibited mags off the streets, either. no job.

if you want to think about this realistically, think about the cost of items under prohibition versus not. is cannabis more expensive in texas, under strict prohibition, or oregon, where it may as well be legal?



i just don't know where you get these delusions from.

 

[ProdigalSun]

So, you want us to believe that when a person stops shooting people so that he can reload, an unarmed person would be able to tackle the person, and win a fight within a 1 second gap, but at the same time, you claim that people were there and armed should have been able to stop the shooter but did not?

 

[ProdigalSun]

loughner didn't buy any ammo, smarty. he took the gun and ammo from his dad, who did purchase it all legally. loughner didn;t really have the money to buy prohibited mags off the streets, either. no job.

if you want to think about this realistically, think about the cost of items under prohibition versus not. is cannabis more expensive in texas, under strict prohibition, or oregon, where it may as well be legal?



i just don't know where you get these delusions from.

I dont have a job, yet I have 5,000 dollars worth of weaponry. All semi automatic. Most with standard capacity mags. The two that have only 10 rounds belong to my daughter, they are .22s.

 

[UncleBuck]

So, you want us to believe that when a person stops shooting people so that he can reload, an unarmed person would be able to tackle the person, and win a fight within a 1 second gap, but at the same time, you claim that people were there and armed should have been able to stop the shooter but did not?

there were armed people there, they did not want to be mistaken for the shooter if the police arrived.

loughner fucked up the magazine switch and people tackled him, thereby stopping his massacre (a massacre brought to us courtesy of insanely large magazines).

these are the facts, you can deal with them or go cry in your cornflakes. just thought you should know, being that you claim to have studied this "for years".

 

[ProdigalSun]

loughner didn't buy any ammo, smarty. he took the gun and ammo from his dad, who did purchase it all legally. loughner didn;t really have the money to buy prohibited mags off the streets, either. no job.

if you want to think about this realistically, think about the cost of items under prohibition versus not. is cannabis more expensive in texas, under strict prohibition, or oregon, where it may as well be legal?



i just don't know where you get these delusions from.

I can go into a store, and for about 750$, buy an AK 47. I can turn around and call my dealers, and buy the same AK 47 for about 200. Likewise with handguns. My primary sidearm cost me about 650, I can get a hot one, untraceable, for 250. I can also get them faster than at the store.

 

[UncleBuck]

I dont have a job, yet I have 5,000 dollars worth of weaponry. All semi automatic. Most with standard capacity mags. The two that have only 10 rounds belong to my daughter, they are .22s.

how many people without a job ya suppose can afford $5k worth of weapons?

 

[UncleBuck]

I can go into a store, and for about 750$, buy an AK 47. I can turn around and call my dealers, and buy the same AK 47 for about 200. Likewise with handguns. My primary sidearm cost me about 650, I can get a hot one, untraceable, for 250. I can also get them faster than at the store.

which is a completely pointless example since there is no prohibition on guns

do you even think before opening your mouth to remove all doubt?