BHO with Vacuum oil/wax tutorial

[650baquet]

ok, so at that icmag site, one comment says "i've never had decarbed oil like that ever wax up"...meaning the fresher the bud the easier it may be to get it to wax up...if you have had some bud or trim sitting around drying out for months then you BHO, it'll probably come out really really dark and won't want to wax up.
Don't know if this is correct but it is an idea for sure. Yours looks very dark compared to mine...here is a pic of mine in honey form.

all pics taken from driod razr. second picture is only one with flash on. pics were taken near the very end of the initial butane boil-off...there was not much bubbling at this point.

 

[650baquet]

Some LCOG that has been under a 432w HTG 7-band LED the entire stint of flower...no other lighting until recently I threw another LCOG in there with a 240w HTG 7Band LED. Lanky strain but it focuses in dense nugs and getting you hiiiiigh with out a couch lock or a down at all. Has about a week or so until harvest. debating if I want to let this one go extra long to see if the head high keeps developing or if couch lock starts to develop.

Some smaller trainwreck flowers that are being flushed currently. they have mainly been under a 400w ushio hps but started under the 240w led.
i'm hoping to get 1.5oz or more off each one which will be good considering how skinny the stocks are...but the root zone is large. These plants have always had help standing up so they never had to develop sturdy stocks.

Just wanted to show that these are my next BHO worthy plants and looking forward to sharing...wish i could actually share the product to get better feed back.
From now on this stuff will probably get put into my journal and I will just reference or put a link to it. I will also be starting a separate journal for my Chocolope as it's completely different than the LCOG and TW.

 

[Guzias1]

but it melted..

to me it looks like you had to keep going..

on the last picture, were the bubbles purging(exploding) slow/grainy like? thin/ liquid like?
grainy, or slow would be good..



lately, when i bump up the heat on my material, the time depends on the frequency of the bubbling action.. i cant say 4 hours here, 3 hours there.. i dont go by time, i go by the movement of the material.. I also go by the low heat approach, and take a TON of time slowly reaching my final heat..

sounds like you need to not to not get your oil ever over 130.. (with that material)

if so, get your muffin.

start off your melt down really low, 110, once liquid, full vac, and if it keeps getting bigger and biggger, and never melts, rasie the heat a little more.. if it does melt, fairly fast, drop the heat to 100..

i love honey comb. i just got myself a pipe i've been eyeballing for a few months now! easy wax pipe, not so much oil..

 

[650baquet]

In my pics of the honey there really isn't too much action going on at that point. Along the edges there were some smaller bubbles still popping. Right after that I folded the paper to smash the bubbles and rewarmed the honey to about 90F before I realized it was easier to compile the honey after it cooled down and hardened a bit. Your oil doesn't look bad to me. I'd prolly hit it depending on if it's gonna make me lazy or not
I'm going to make some more BHO from my LCOG here in a couple days...I'm runnin low.
Enjoy your day and dab away!

 

[650baquet]

i just got myself a pipe i've been eyeballing for a few months now! easy wax pipe, not so much oil..

Could you possibly upload a pic of the the pipe? I'm always interested in new glass. I heat up a glass "hot-rod" with my vector mini torch and then just dab onto the rod over a bowl filled with herb to catch the drips off the glass rod. Works okay. I've now gotten lazy to the point where I just throw it on top of some herb. But I use a vape, tall water pipes with ash catchers, 1Es, and sometime I just dab the oil/wax all by it's self to get a good flavor for it or i even throw it on top of herb in the vape which is pretty awesome. We usually hit the vape before we start into the water pipe.
PEACE!

 

[vacpurge]

I smoke this oil early in the morning sometimes... like 8 or 9 am on my days off. it ruins my day. by the time noon rolls around around I am so fuckin burnt out I have no energy for ANYTHING. and if I keep smoking, I just feel like shit and get immume to the hoots by the end of the day. anyone else get this?

 

[Guzias1]

Here is my new pipe!

Traded a friend 4 grams for her! yaaa...

its got a hollowed out bowl, and had a "health stone" (lava rock) in its place

very simple to use over every thing eles i have tried, (except a pen) but those things cant be spilled and what not..

the stone on this is cool to the touch within seconds, leaving it ready to be packed pretty much instantly.


smoke shot

[video=youtube;kZgDHBeO3zg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZgDHBeO3zg[/video]

i myself dont blame the weed on me being tired, i blame my lack of sleep and nutrition, when those are in tune, im a pretty healthy and alert person..

I just got this pipe this weekend, im used to my waxy topped bowls as well. Looks like im going to be smoking a lot of oils/waxes now.. We shall see if im burnt out like you guys.. As you can see in my video, im not trying to take the biggest hits, and i usually hold them as long as possible. Small good hits are what im ALL ABOUT, unless impaired..

 

[Guzias1]

here is a better shot, all cleaned up... and a solid 51.7 gram muffin ball..

sprayed onto parchment

placed parchment under fan, absolutely no heat, just lots of air movement over top..

oil reached 60F

through into vac..

muffin ball was really big and hard to manage, so many vacs, and releases were involved, barely reached 20HG most the time before muffin was too big.. after enough times, got muffin, NO HEAT...

650 baquet has a much different approach. I want to try it his way soon here, i just know my way will work, and didnt fee like experimenting on this one..

although my way takes a longggg time to get muffin..

i have now turned my heat right on up to 118

here is what happens with first initial vac

[video=youtube;NW1cELvjiW0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW1cELvjiW0&feature=youtube_gdata[/video]

i got the liquid looking oil, so i dropped temps to 115F
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our goal is to get rid of these big purging bubbles.. small bubbles barely breaking the surface is a good sign, full vac, closed off valve, the surface of the oil is actually 116F

 

[650baquet]

HAHA! awesome i want to call it "foam"! Looks pretty cool. The video looks pretty good. At that point I would ya drop it down to 110F...you chose 115F big woop, and leave it at full vacuum for quite a while. I don't feel your way is too far off from mine. We both start with little to no heat and then perform a slower vacuum. Though, that is a pretty interesting looking muffin in the pic next to the cards looks sweet for sure. Did it stay wax-like after the vacuum or is it still vacuuming? 51grams initially, what does it weigh now? My biggest run so far yielded 3.1grams lol I want to do a huge run sometime, which to me would be qp or half pound haha.
I really wish I had someone nearby to actually show results to and bounce ideas off of but that's why I'm here...if i had a friend i wouldn't be on here so much haha!

Nice lookin pipe, how much it cost ya just out of curiosity. I think i've seen something similar to that at one of our head shops.

I've heard of many ppl saying that when they dab they are useless afterwords.
....speaking of which...420 break!

...okay I'm back with a much needed toke...haven't had one since my three oil rips this morning about 11hrs ago. I work 6:30am-2:30am m-f and I CAN'T smoke anything that will give me couch lock, maybe now that i have been growin and tokin on my own crops for around a yr now so i'm getting picky for sure! I can barely stand burning my buddies organic heavy foliar sprayed herb...just feels so damn thick in my lungs compared to my hydro non-foliar herb. They also like to get retarded when they smoke....I like to feel energized which comes from sativa mainly...or more specifically THC not CBN. Some people who are addicted to speed and other related drugs like meth have found relief in concentrates that are high in THC and very low in other cannabinoids. I find that cool and I would love to be able to grow for patients making them the best concentrates or raw flowers that they want!

So back to why you feel lazy after dabbing, could be because your material has been much much more decarboxylated (much older, much longer cure) or simply that it came from a plant that has a natural tendency to make you somewhat tired...that "somewhat tired" feeling can feel way stronger when in concentrate form. My LCOG was blasted only 1.5wks from harvest, I dried the nugs slowly in an oven until pretty fagile at 180-200F...I really tried not to let it get too hot. I would turn the oven on then back off and let it sit, if i felt it got too hot for my liking i just left the door open. Maybe this is why it doesn't make me very tired but the effect wares off quicker than concentrates with a larger overall effect(body and head). Next time I will try it without drying the nug so much, I hear the drying part makes the bud lose some of the fruitiest of flavors. Have you checked out the skunk pharm llc website? You should if you haven't, I feel like they are the masters of extraction haha def a great informational site.

I love my LCOG and Trainwreck because they help me chug along through every day. Recently I had to wait on a harvest and bought an oz of Blue Dream from my buddy but that's all they had. So for about 5 days there I was struggling at work in the mornings and when i came home from work all i wanted to do was get syked up for something but i would take a rip and pass out...
I recently made that BHO with it and it makes me pretty useless haha, but if i put it on top of a bowl of some LCOG the massive head high and the intense laziness make me feel slightly drunk and i sit there looking like this guy>> for a while staring so intently outside imagining all this fun stuff i could be doing before i realize I'm starving lol

Over the years i've just realized that you gotta pace yourself with herb and treat it like a luxury once in a while or the one thing you enjoy most will become like a cigarette...just always trying to get high but never quite gettin there. The only way i will start out with the dabbing is if i know i'm going to be outside working for the next 3yrs minimum. Then sometimes I have to smoke in order to eat otherwise i have to appetite, and i'm skinny enough as it is.

I'll have to start posting videos on my youtube just so i care share them on here.

Just so you know, unless I quote someone or reference someone i'm usually just speaking from experience. If you disagree with anything i have said or will say just let me know because if i'm actually doing something wrong i'd rather be doing it right and I would much rather have my facts straight as well. I'm always open for discussion, poor communication is the fault among many failures, so like my band teacher told me.....if you're going to screw up, screw up twice as loud as normal so we know something needs to be fixed and you can improve the quality of your music!

I'll be in touch man!

 

[650baquet]

our goal is to get rid of these big purging bubbles.. small bubbles barely breaking the surface is a good sign, full vac, closed off valve, the surface of the oil is actually 116F

just give it time. I let mine sit while seemingly still full of bubbles and they just every so slowly popped, the oil will slowly dry out too and the drying helps pop bubbles.

 

[650baquet]

.....i would totally be making some bho right now if i didn't leave next to one of the busiest streets and i would look weird in the daytime with a mask on haha...look like i'm making some sort of bad drug or something to someone uneducated in the sort...too bad it's like that. High Times had an article a yr back about dabbing and how non-users may easily or do look at it more negatively than marijuana in flower form being smoked from a joint or pipe. It's understandable and that's were us MJ users have a responsibility in trying our best to be professional as we can in what we do and where we do it. I would hate to have a bunch of ppl blow them selves up here, or anywhere, and for some reason it pushes back legalization way further.

 

[Guzias1]

I also whip just a weee bit @110F before I cool it to 80F fold it together and throw it in the vacuum.

im afraid to heat it at all before the initial first vacuum..

if i do heat, i try to use it as little as possible, like 90f, very shortly.. I prefer fans.. I also dont really play with my material much, only when i work it back to the center..

im afraid of heat, and whipping, because i have ruined many batches with heat too soon..


i also just realized this.. Through out the entire heated vacuum process.. If you take your oil out, let it cool to 65F, it shouldnt be sticky to the touch.. if it is.. you probably messed up with heat already..

 

[Guzias1]

traded 4 grams of my santa cruz blues wax for it the pipe..


I cant say you do it better, or worse than me..

we all have a bit of a tweak here and there.. as long as you can do a melt test, and you see no crackles, i think you are doing just fine..

 

[650baquet]

no bubbling or really no movement at all as it ments?

so this next i'm going use a room temp or 90F water bath to boil of the butane...for however long that takes. Then I'm going to put it in the vac as is, all spread out, and pull the vacuum full. See what happens at room temp, then start warming it to 100F or less and see what happens.

It really shouldn't be sticky? Are you saying that at any one point during the vacuum process you should be able to take it out and cool it to 65F, touch it and it won't stick, if it does you may have messed up? i guess it may not be sticky to a fairly quick touch, and the more waxy it gets it would get less sticky. Sorry just kinda confused cause i know it's very sticky right after the initial butane boil off.

Can you boil off most of the butane at room temp or does it get to sticky and get trapped in lots of bubbles?

 

[Guzias1]

it is very sticky after initial boil off.. butthen i get muffin..

after muffin, i melt down, very low.. material will determine how low you should be..
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after you can reach a full vac with a little heat, (100F+)

you should be able to take that oil out, let it cool, and yes, it should be not sticky (meaning it does NOT stick to your fingers after 1.5 seconds) .. this is just a sign that you are on the right track to wax, that is all.

did you mean, "bubbling as it melts"

bubbling as it melts is different from CRACKLING(sparks and what not)

bubbling is good/fine.

 

[Guzias1]

Can you boil off most of the butane at room temp or does it get to sticky and get trapped in lots of bubbles?

i can boil off enough butane at room temp (62F) and with a fan directly blowing on the tane, fairly quick.. if i had no fan, there would be huge bubbles, and yup, trapped shit under neath.. but with the fan, those big bubbles get blown away, i get a pretty good boil off... with no eat

here is how it looked right before i put it in vac 62F

 

[vacpurge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn2tRQt4MgE&feature=youtu.be

 

[Guzias1]

loll.. ok, someone said my video was long... that video only has about 2 minutes of worthy watching! loll, you dont even talk about anything.. so what is going on here?


did you spray.. and heat to 91F - no vac

then vac? and now you have all these little bubbles? i think its fucked

my bubbles dont pop that fast and that little at such a low temp.. unless you bumped up the temp.. if so, it looks like its too high..

 

[vacpurge]

I have a feeling this got missed, so I would like to quote it.

" All you guys are funny.
First off if you get honey comb from vac purging you are not doing it right, the videos on youtube that show people half ass vacuuming and then letting cool down before fully purged so it will hold that honeycomb structure. A group of cats I know whip their shit the second they are done spraying and leave it in a way too small container [thick film purging] in a hot car for three or four days.
I am so sick of people wanting to ruin their oil. Keep that shit sexy. Honeycomb and wax are NOT the desired results of anyone who knows what they are doing. Wax or honeycomb means you left undesirables in your oil. If you don't believe me maybe you will believe one of the smartest men on this website, I am sure Jump177 would love to hop in here and clarify some things."

and this too

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but the only way to get crumbly wax is with a vacuum chamber. period.

Nope, sorry you are mistaken and badly informed. Don't purge correctly and then let it sit out for a couple days and viola, crumbly wax!"


"No not unpurged, not purged properly. They are two different things. Water and butane will purge itself out given enough time and temp. Purging is getting moisture out also, not just butane. Leaving either of those in your oil and it will wax up after time. You idiots who make budder/wax/honeycomb are just making your erl deteriorate faster. Have fun smoking all that waxy goodness!!!

If I am so wrong then tell me what makes oil wax up Mr. science."




'im with hammalamma 100% on this

this whole wax/honeycomb fad is such bullshit, and really irritating because of the fact that so many smokers are being misinformed by idiots and perpetuating that mis-information

wax/honeycomb IS AN INFERIOR PRODUCT. it has much more surface area exposing much more of the oil to oxygen and light. Your cannabinoids and terpenes will NO DOUBT degrade faster in wax/honeycomb form that a hard sap/shatter.

the ultimate product is TOTALLY CLEAR sap or shatter like oil. this means you have gotten the impurities removed to the point where your sample is visibly clear, like you can scan a fucking barcode through it.

Now that said, wax/honeycomb CAN be good, if you start with such a product as which I just described (clear sap/shatter) But it is still the same product, just with air whipped into to make it waxy. Is that any better??? NO"

 

[650baquet]

Ya no sparks at all lol I got that the first time i tried QWIso. now I just air dry QWIso with a slight heat from a heating pad. works great in the end. i've vac purged a pile of QWIso once and it bubbled pretty good, i think it help purge it further.
The video is great man, I hope to have some more pics and videos up after the next few days...i'm pretty busy so it takes me time.
Keep up the work.