North Korea

[Doer]

Yeah, if I built something that shot rockets down and couldn't use GPS/topography recognition to determine where an optimal disable should take place in the air, I wouldn't claim to have built it, or owned it either.. hahahaha

Well Israel is the case where they only have a few seconds to acquire and launch. The Arrow doesn't have a lot of fuel but can turn like a bat. And so it is an equation of war, not peace. Missles are headed to civilian populations to explode.

And Iron Dome does calculate the clean misses and won't fire. So, a few civilians harmed by debris or an apt building being flattened by high explosives. That is the Iron Dome decision making as it stand today. Bloody numbers in war.

 

[Harrekin]

I think the turning point was the US involvement, not Russia ,German troops took Moscow around that time, the German army was the most powerful in the world at the time and needed to be stopped by a coalition led by the US.

Are you fucking kidding me?

The Nazis attacked "towards" Moscow, but never reached within 1000km of the city. Once the Nazi invasion stalled, Russia counter attacked after reorganising and reequipping it's Red Army.

This counter assault followed the Germans right the way back to Berlin.

Hitlers futile attempt to invade Russia combined with "scorched earth",a newly envigorated Red Army and Nazi Generals afraid to tell the Fuhrer "enough is enough" on the Eastern Front is what beat the Nazis.

 

[Doer]

Are you fucking kidding me?

The Nazis attacked "towards" Moscow, but never reached within 1000km of the city. Once the Nazi invasion stalled, Russia counter attacked after reorganising and reequipping it's Red Army.

This counter assault followed the Germans right the way back to Berlin.

Hitlers futile attempt to invade Russia combined with "scorched earth",a newly invigorated Red Army and Nazi Generals afraid to tell the Fuhrer "enough is enough" on the Eastern Front is what beat the Nazis.

Amazing. Those that don't study history are doomed to re-read it. When you go to Moscow, just ask anyone what those giant, tank trap looking, monuments on the West hills are suppose to mean.

 

[Figong]

Update: (And no, this is by no means an April fools day prank) F22s got scrambled to participate in today's practice drill with South Korea. That said.. we have a ship just off their shoreline at this point in time.. which happens to be the USS McCain (Legit ship, DDG-56, Arleigh Burke-class Destroyer) .. and packs the Aegis.

 

[Doer]

They now have the 4th largest army. Where are the Abrams? This is a horrid game. No way to keep artillery from landing.

Commanders have been on high alert in the North are getting tired and edgy.

 

[Figong]

They now have the 4th largest army. Where are the Abrams? This is a horrid game. No way to keep artillery from landing.

Commanders have been on high alert in the North are getting tired and edgy.

On the ground against N.Korea would be suicide.. they give -everyone- camo and guns. Full air assault, taking out infrastructure in terms of power grids that control towers with simultaneous surgical strikes on the ventilation shafts for said towers (has to be laser-guided or steerable remotely, given the images I've seen) as the air ventilation shafts for their in-ground missile silos are horizontal...should fix the issue extremely fast.

 

[cannabineer]

That's why I no longer play Go Fish with God. He always wins. Aaand his boy cheats*. cn

Mk 6:41

 

[cannabineer]

We've confirmed they have the nuke, we just can't prove how far they can launch it yet.. and I dont think we're lookin' for a reason to find out - pic was funny as hell though

I wonder what those nukes weigh, weaponized. The established nuclear powers needed a few design generations to get the weight of an otherwise unadorned implosion device (with casing, fuze etc.) below a ton. The first-generation devices weighed nine tons each! cn

 

[Figong]

I wonder what those nukes weigh, weaponized. The established nuclear powers needed a few design generations to get the weight of an otherwise unadorned implosion device (with casing, fuze etc.) below a ton. The first-generation devices weighed nine tons each! cn

Last info I have is that the Unha III (with a 10-12000 km range, and is the same one they put satellites into space with) uses same warhead/payload size as the Tae-Po-Dong II.. if that is indeed accurate, 1000-1500kg weight for warhead alone, with a length of 32m, and a launch weight of 64300 kg.

 

[cannabineer]

Last info I have is that the Unha III (with a 10-12000 km range, and is the same one they put satellites into space with) uses same warhead/payload size as the Tae-Po-Dong II.. if that is indeed accurate, 1000-1500kg weight for warhead alone, with a length of 32m, and a launch weight of 64300 kg.

I looked up the weights of the Mk 3 (Fat Man design) bomb's successors. The first one to be lighter than several tons was the Mk 5 with a weight of 2400-2600 pounds and a reported yield of six to 120 kilotons, depending on variant. . We didn't build'em for deployment until '51 however.
Mind you, we didn't have the luxury of established designs elsewhere and remarkably powerful simulations on universally-available computing platforms. This might allow the NK engineers to come up with a first design in the one-ton range, especially with the much, much simpler two-point explosive lensing scheme now in general use. They could have a ~60-kT tritium-boosted device that is inside the size/weight envelope of the booster (rocket) you mentioned. cn

 

[Doer]

On the ground against N.Korea would be suicide.. they give -everyone- camo and guns. Full air assault, taking out infrastructure in terms of power grids that control towers with simultaneous surgical strikes on the ventilation shafts for said towers (has to be laser-guided or steerable remotely, given the images I've seen) as the air ventilation shafts for their in-ground missile silos are horizontal...should fix the issue extremely fast.

Um...in extremely fast, how many artillery shells land in Seoul? Scuds? Tunnel born suicide punishment squads?

American citizens snatched? They know what we will do. We can only begin to guess what they have for asymmetrical war suprises, these days. But, they haven't evacuated anybody yet, have they?

 

[Figong]

I looked up the weights of the Mk 3 (Fat Man design) bomb's successors. The first one to be lighter than several tons was the Mk 5 with a weight of 2400-2600 pounds and a reported yield of six to 120 kilotons, depending on variant. . We didn't build'em for deployment until '51 however.
Mind you, we didn't have the luxury of established designs elsewhere and remarkably powerful simulations on universally-available computing platforms. This might allow the NK engineers to come up with a first design in the one-ton range, especially with the much, much simpler two-point explosive lensing scheme now in general use. They could have a ~60-kT tritium-boosted device that is inside the size/weight envelope of the booster (rocket) you mentioned. cn

Was just reading an article about how the White House made a comment.. comment reads: "The White House admits that North Korea has no weaponized nuclear missiles — and that it never will, since the U.S. will not allow it." - to me, that's a hell of a bold statement to make, as I do not underestimate the power of NK scientists - they've proven to be quite dangerous in the past.

 

[Doer]

I looked up the weights of the Mk 3 (Fat Man design) bomb's successors. The first one to be lighter than several tons was the Mk 5 with a weight of 2400-2600 pounds and a reported yield of six to 120 kilotons, depending on variant. . We didn't build'em for deployment until '51 however.
Mind you, we didn't have the luxury of established designs elsewhere and remarkably powerful simulations on universally-available computing platforms. This might allow the NK engineers to come up with a first design in the one-ton range, especially with the much, much simpler two-point explosive lensing scheme now in general use. They could have a ~60-kT tritium-boosted device that is inside the size/weight envelope of the booster (rocket) you mentioned. cn

Gulp...the leaves turning in Vermont are sounding pretty good right now, even it there still is snow.

But if his CEP is under 100 miles...I don't live in LA. Otherwise a clean miss of the west coast is most likely....isn't it?

 

[Figong]

Um...in extremely fast, how many artillery shells land in Seoul? Scuds? Tunnel born suicide punishment squads?

American citizens snatched? They know what we will do. We can only begin to guess what they have for asymmetrical war suprises, these days. But, they haven't evacuated anybody yet, have they?

Is why the Aegis is there to help with rockets/missiles.. the F22s in S.Korea should be able to assist with mid-air interception of inbounds, and nukes from our west coast are 10-15 minutes from China, should China want to get involved and throw anything at the US after NK does something stupid, and we retaliate/counter.

Re: Evacuations, Nope not that I know of, but Kunsan Air Base is waiting patiently for anything stupid I'm sure.. we have a very wicked aerial group over there should anything start to go awry. They're some of the USAF's best.. but Seoul would still suffer greatly. I just did a lil' bit of math on restationed planes, and if N.Korea moved some of their MiG 17's to Kuupri, they could hit downtown Seoul in 6 minutes... that's not even factoring their collection of the MiG 21s, or Su-25s.

 

[cannabineer]

Was just reading an article about how the White House made a comment.. comment reads: "The White House admits that North Korea has no weaponized nuclear missiles — and that it never will, since the U.S. will not allow it." - to me, that's a hell of a bold statement to make, as I do not underestimate the power of NK scientists - they've proven to be quite dangerous in the past.

I agree it is a bold statement. What i don't know (and don't really need/want to know) is if it's standard politics of bluster, or if we're coyly saying we have the technical means to keep a real eye on the situation.
I also agree that I don't know how deep NK's research commitment is. I won't underestimate their scientists and engineers, and the very probable small contingent of former USSR nuclear weaponeers on the de luxe "Kim's Club" plan ... cn

 

[cannabineer]

Gulp...the leaves turning in Vermont are sounding pretty good right now, even it there still is snow.

But if his CEP is under 100 miles...I don't live in LA. Otherwise a clean miss of the west coast is most likely....isn't it?

I have a hard time imagining a CEP of less than a mile. Universal civilian GPS is a game-changer, and an emergent missile power can probably gin up a good guidance system from a Garmin and two iPods. A few m/s of midcourse correction capacity, and that CEP can be reduced to the few hundred yards that a cheapie GPS unit can provide.

Imagine if we'd had GPS in the sixties. The CEP of our and their big fragile liquid-fueled birds (SS-6 and Atlas/Titan come to mind) would have been tightened up a whole lot, making the mumtimegaton development projects of that age much less urgent or necessary ... cn

 

[Doer]

Less than a mile....on our injected GPS error? We won't be allowing true gps homing, I can feel assured of that.

They have to send by inertial guidance, don't they? And so far, have they hit anything but some orbit track or other?

 

[greenswag]

damn I've been too busy fapping and gorging myself the last couple days to pay attention, lemme catch up these last couple pages

Alrighty...well I really don't know what to say I need to read the new articles, be back in a few...
welp, read the articles. Tough to say if things are still stagnant or getting worse tbh. The only thing that rustled my jimmies in an excitement kind of way was cn talking about their engineers, other than that it doesn't seem like a whole lot has happened. Another drill, another angry NK, and another one of us adding something for defense over there.

I would hate to be in NK especially right now because every day they are bombarded with propaganda of war and anti US, the majority of the population is starving to death and the ones alive are probably terrified because they are lead to believe they are about to enter war with the US, which is something most people should be afraid of. I actually feel sorry for the civilians over there, except for the fact that they are probably brainwashed into thinking we're the devil and hate our guts by now. But still, look at their situation.

 

[cannabineer]

Less than a mile....on our injected GPS error? We won't be allowing true gps homing, I can feel assured of that.

They have to send by inertial guidance, don't they? And so far, have they hit anything but some orbit track or other?

You've got me there. i know nothing about the ease andor prevalence of injecting deliberate GPS error.

I did find an interesting detail while a'Googlin': GPS receivers capable of reading at altitudes above 19km or at speeds of greater than 1000 knots are classed as munitions. cn

 

[Figong]

You've got me there. i know nothing about the ease andor prevalence of injecting deliberate GPS error.

I did find an interesting detail while a'Googlin': GPS receivers capable of reading at altitudes above 19km or at speeds of greater than 1000 knots are classed as munitions. cn

Injection of GPS error is prone to civilian systems, not at the military level that I'm aware of unless it's part of faked communications to entrap someone who may have surveillance capabilities.. Will have to pull the good ole' book of GPS to ensure that my statement is 100% accurate, however.