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tyler.durden

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Lol, i just like to pick on ya sometimes Eye, you are a good sport.8-)
He IS a good sport, and a good guy. I bet it would be awesome to smoke and hang out with Eye IRL. You could have an intense musical jam session together, and I'm sure he would have you laughing your ass off ;)
 

dababydroman

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when did any body present anything as a fact ? your talking about conversations you've had before? every convo about religious faith is the same.. you say the same thing and we come along and say the same thing, that we don't have to prove shit. ya'll say religious people are insecure.. yet then say we think we know everything and we're the shit.. religion is based on faith.. something that man kind needs to survive.. I hear the same thing over and over "im open to being proven wrong" that's idiotic, when you know nobody can prove it or disprove it, there simply is no physical evidence as some may have stated.. only personal accounts.. I don't understand why an atheist would bother debate with a Christian or person with spirtual beliefs of a higher being.. honestly.. if you've never spoken to the universe in a time of crisis your inhuman.
 

Heisenberg

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I have no desire to control what is in other people's minds. Fundamentally I do not care if someone has faith or not. The problem is that sooner or later, as history shows, people of faith will decide you are doing something that offends that faith. My faith says you can not be atheist. My faith says you can not be homosexual. My faith says you can not have sex before marriage. My faith says you can't have an abortion. My faith says you can not learn how to read if you are female. ect ect. When someone else wants their faith to mean something to you, to govern aspects of your life, to hamper science and historic education, they are then in the position of needing to show why their faith has meaning. Faith would be no problem, and there would be very little debate, if people kept it to themselves.
 

timlang420

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i'd like to start off by saying i am agnostic (meaning i dont know)

when did any body present anything as a fact ? your talking about conversations you've had before? every convo about religious faith is the same.. you say the same thing and we come along and say the same thing, that we don't have to prove shit. ya'll say religious people are insecure.. yet then say we think we know everything and we're the shit.. religion is based on faith.. something that man kind needs to survive.. I hear the same thing over and over "im open to being proven wrong" that's idiotic, when you know nobody can prove it or disprove it, there simply is no physical evidence as some may have stated.. only personal accounts.. I don't understand why an atheist would bother debate with a Christian or person with spirtual beliefs of a higher being.. honestly.. if you've never spoken to the universe in a time of crisis your inhuman.
you cant prove shit, thats your problem.
i dont say religious types think they are the shit, they think they are right. anyone who believes science knows nothing is 100% for certain, only logical. religious people are supposed to convert others because they are righteous and those in need of conversion are traveling the wrong path. science enthusiasts will never try to convert you, only ask you to think logically.
man doesnt need faith to survive, science has told us exactly what the human body requires to survive.
personal accounts? do you believe personal accounts of alien abduction?
theres no evidence to prove or disprove the existence of "god". but science has a theory about the beginning of the universe based on research and facts, which i'll take over most religious explanations, based on hearsay and magic.

Has your Ego really enlarged THAT much to make you think you are seriously THAT special?

Just because we don't know something, does not give us the right to pretend we do, no matter how scary it is. And it's sad, to me, to see so many people pretending they have the answers... when we all know that none of us do.
every person who believes there is a god that is watching them, has a "plan" for their life, listens to their prayers and is actively making a naughty or nice list (kind of ironic) must have a giant ego...

thats right, we'd dont and, currently, cant know everything (quantum physics double slit experiment). but thats the best part because of science, the ability to change, to grow...dare i say evolve?
 

tyler.durden

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The physical body dies, the spirit lives on indefinitely. After one dies they go to face Judgement at the throne of God. If you believe in Jesus you will be saved, spending eternal life in Heaven. If you reject Christ you will be condemned into an everlasting fire and torment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

There is good reason why the majority of the United States population believes in this, because it is true.

One can only come to the truth of Christ if the Holy Spirit draws them.
I pray the Holy Spirit will draw all those who read this message.

Just say Jesus save me and believe and you will be saved.

Praise God, to Him be all the glory forever and ever. Amen
ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...
 

Beefbisquit

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The physical body dies, the spirit lives on indefinitely. After one dies they go to face Judgement at the throne of God. If you believe in Jesus you will be saved, spending eternal life in Heaven. If you reject Christ you will be condemned into an everlasting fire and torment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

There is good reason why the majority of the United States population believes in this, because it is true.

One can only come to the truth of Christ if the Holy Spirit draws them.
I pray the Holy Spirit will draw all those who read this message.

Just say Jesus save me and believe and you will be saved.

Praise God, to Him be all the glory forever and ever. Amen

So, in the UAE most people are Muslims. By your logic, they believe because it's true.
 

timlang420

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If you reject Christ you will be condemned into an everlasting fire and torment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

There is good reason why the majority of the United States population believes in this, because it is true.

One can only come to the truth of Christ if the Holy Spirit draws them.

I pray the Holy Spirit will draw all those who read this message.

Praise God, to Him be all the glory forever and ever. Amen
no cure for cancer or aids, starvation is rampant globally, s.i.d. has no explanation (i could go on)... how do you know this isnt hell already?

true that most people in america are profess themselves to be christian (Matthew 10:32-33) but how many actually are? you can never tell (john langworthy, vaughn reeves, like every catholic priest). also in 1963, 90% of americans claimed to be christian but in 2012 the percentage was closer to 70%. this tells me people are become independent thinkers, bad for religion. also just because americans think it, doesnt make it true. worldwide, christianity, in all its forms (which isnt fair), has about 32% of the worlds population. so when you think globally, your numbers are far fewer than you think.

that doesnt seem very fair...

thats a very nice gesture

also giving god all the glory takes away from yourself. i hate hearing an athlete or musician giving god the glory, because they're the ones who practiced and put the time in honing your skill, not god. religion, imo, takes away from the individual.
 

timlang420

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[video=youtube;gPOfurmrjxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPOfurmrjxo[/video]

holy shit!
 

dababydroman

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cant prove shit? dude I have nothing to prove what so ever. and your fucking lame, it all comes down to faith, faith in god gave them the streangth to stay motivated to become the best. your taking away from yourself if you don't give god credit.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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if you cant feel anything spiritual I feel sorry for you. simply looking at the harmony of our universe, if we are made of "star stuff" whats to say our god is not the same? whats to say our god isent as big as a star? whats to say a star cant "think"? or create, like we can?
a star is a sun exactly the same as the sun you look at allmost everyday here on earth .
 

420IAMthatIAM

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So heres my dilemma. If the first law of thermodynamics is correct and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed, and if man is made of matter and energy then what happens to the energy when we die. The matter is obviously returned to the earth. But where does the energy go?
the energy merely gets a new body in other words you [the energy]is born again into a new body. those words that we hear coming out of each others mouths is spirit [energy].so when these bodies run their appointed course we the energy move to another body.by the way we do not die the body does.:arrow:
 

Zaehet Strife

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the energy merely gets a new body in other words you [the energy]is born again into a new body. those words that we hear coming out of each others mouths is spirit [energy].so when these bodies run their appointed course we the energy move to another body.by the way we do not die the body does.:arrow:
I think... if you are honest with yourself, you will come to find accept that this idea may be wrong. I am not saying it is certainly wrong, i am merely stating that believing with certainty in any idea that you cannot be certain of... is misguided and dishonest. For how can you be certain of an idea... if you cannot even be certain that this reality isn't just a dream or a simulation?
 

timlang420

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I think... if you are honest with yourself, you will come to find accept that this idea may be wrong. I am not saying it is certainly wrong, i am merely stating that believing with certainty in any idea that you cannot be certain of... is misguided and dishonest. For how can you be certain of an idea... if you cannot even be certain that this reality isn't just a dream or a simulation?
heisenburg uncertainty principle, brain in a jar theory, etc...these are difficult concepts to grasp sometimes

(quantum physics double slit experiment).
observer effect (which is equally mind boggling) is what i was talking about...lol i was high and couldnt remember the name so i gave a description
 

Heisenberg

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heisenburg uncertainty principle, brain in a jar theory, etc...these are difficult concepts to grasp sometimes



observer effect (which is equally mind boggling) is what i was talking about...lol i was high and couldnt remember the name so i gave a description
[video=youtube;noZWLPpj3to]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noZWLPpj3to&feature=share&list=PL90ACE9F04 97F4093[/video]
 

timlang420

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[video=youtube;noZWLPpj3to]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noZWLPpj3to&feature=share&list=PL90ACE9F04 97F4093[/video]
thats a cool video, "F-U scumbags!", that was funny. i also enjoyed that they stated and showed the difference between the two theories (h.u.p. and o.e.)

i should have been more clear. i get these ideas but when trying to relate them to my life and experiences, trying to use them to come up with an answer of "what/why is life" (which is ming boggling already) its gets difficult because theres never an unquestionable answer. the thought process becomes cyclical, no end. i hate that.

the world needs a modern plato or socrates...too bad anthony hitchens passed...great thinker
 

Heisenberg

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“Believing in weird things isn’t unnatural; rather it is an extension of a highly adapted mind. But to move accurately through today’s world, a healthy scientific skepticism is warranted. With New Age beliefs making a resurgence, the anti-vaccination movement gaining strength, creationist bills passing US state legislatures, promises of personal genomics spawning new and dubious treatments, and health gurus sprinkling the word “quantum” on everything like an over-used spice, skepticism should be, now more than ever, a liberally applied tool. For the critical thinker, discovering and understanding our cognitive foundations is tantamount to a new beginning, a fresh way to look at the world. Learning how to think about thinking, learning how to navigate the perils of human cognition, is the way through.” – Kyle Hill



Skepticism And The Second Enlightenment
 
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