First Closet CFL Grow

[FrostickZero]

Well Tool I'm getting my NL and Juicy Fruit soon prob today or tomorrow will be having 5 strains soon =D , I'm gonna be building my grow closet as I get more money along the way , yea I know its not th eway people like to do it but its the best way for me because doing it like that will give me more time to decide how exacly I want to build the perfect grow area

 

[FrostickZero]

Seeds
5 Northern Lights Feminised
1 Lowryder

Media
Hydrocks
B'cuzz Bounce Coco Fiber

Nutrients
Dutchmaster Gold Part A Vegetative
Dutchmaster Gold Part B Vegetative
Dutchmaster Gold Part A Flower
Duchtmaster Gold Part B Flower
Dutchmaster Zone
Dutchmaster Silica
Superthrive
PH Up
PH Down

Foilar Spray
Dutchmaster Liquid Light
Dutchmaster Penetrator
Dutchmaster Reverse

Setup
72L x 36W x 120H Closet
Drip/Feed Setup
1 10 Gallon Rubbermaid Bin
1 Airpump
1 Airstone
1 Waterpump
3 Drippers
3 12" tubes

Lights
8 26w 6500k CFL's
1 400w 2100K HPS

Humidifier
Any suggestions?

Timers
2 - 6 Programable Setting Digital Timers

Germinating
I always germ seeds with a paper towel. I have had success with just dropping them in fresh water and let them sit in the dark for a couple of days. I have had a higher success rate by folding the paper towel and placing the seeds in the towel. I damp the paper towel with semi warm water. I place the napkin in a tupperware container and sit it on my projector. I usually have them cracked in anywhere between 16-32 hours.

Grow Cycle
I want to keep them at a decently small size. I don't want them to get out of control like stretch did lol. I want to flower right around 10-11" in height. The flowering period for Northern Lights is 6-7 weeks. Overall grow period for Lowryder is 8 weeks. I am going to be growing 2 northern lights and the 1 lowryder. Even though the lowryder doesn't need the 12/12 cycle, it will still be put under that as they will be planted with Northern Lights.

Cloning
Will only be cloning the Northern Lights. But me and kochab are working a little something up to make my success rate go up

Other then that my only other real plan is ventilation. I can't really grasp the best way to do this, until I get everything out of the closet. I will be removing the tarp and replacing it with a better lightproof one. I will also be mylaring the ENTIRE closet for even better reflection. I will also be making shelves to hold fans in place. I am also going to be investing in an inline fan for my light fixture.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated in this is all of yalls grow as much as it is mine! Lets make an awesome setup together!!

sounds like an awsome new grow , I dk but if you try kick start and B-1 Thrive your clones and freshly rooted seedlings might do well at the start , oh and did you add my on PS3 live?

 

[thegigglepimp]

The plans for the new grow sound great man! Cant wait to see the results of Strechette first though haha Everyones planning about their next grows and its making me jealous haha Wish i could plan mine already I suppose i could get a lowryder or two on the go straight after these girls... I'll have to see how i do with mine lol.

Keep up the good work anyway man!

 

[toolage]

planning on doing some dwc? I assume thats what the airstone and airpump are for if I am correct.... and if so you may need up to 5 of each (generally 2 per plant is ok)
And why only the one lowryder? Figured you could fit all 10 plants in there easily, then some of them are guaranteed to be males.
Eh anywho, let me know whats up as things progress.

Actually bro, I'm keeping the same setup. I'm still doing the drip and feed. The airpump and airstone are just to keep the water clean.

I would like to do more then 3 plants total, but my 400w can only hand probably 6 plants all the way through flowering. My resevoir only holds 3 plants. If I wanted to do more then 3 plants, I would have to do a soil grow, because the resevoir takes up most of the square footage that the light actually hits.

Maybe when I come out there, we can think of a better way to set everything up. I'll bring detailed pictures of the dimensions of the room and we'll work something out.

sounds like an awsome new grow , I dk but if you try kick start and B-1 Thrive your clones and freshly rooted seedlings might do well at the start , oh and did you add my on PS3 live?

Thanks bro, no I haven't added you to ps3 live yet. haven't really hopped on in a while, been outta town. Yeah I only use thrive whenever they are first starting out and when I use clones.

The plans for the new grow sound great man! Cant wait to see the results of Strechette first though haha Everyones planning about their next grows and its making me jealous haha Wish i could plan mine already I suppose i could get a lowryder or two on the go straight after these girls... I'll have to see how i do with mine lol.

Keep up the good work anyway man!

Hey bro, yeah I'm definently about ready for stretchette to be done! Dood with your stealth grow a lowryder would be the PERFECT strain for you to grow. Thanks for the support and compliments bro!


Update coming up in an hour or so

 

[toolage]

Update Day 65 Flowering/104 Days from Veg

Nutes Added in Resevoir:
9 drops ph down

PH/PPM
5.3/1000

Temp/Humidity
73.1/38%
Max-91.3/54%
Min-63.2/20%

Stretch
I really believe those branches I cut off are helping her out a lot. Her colas have really fattened up since yesterday. I'm still contimplating on letting her go out longer then 12 weeks. I'll use the extra time to save up the extra money to get everything right.

Question
I planned on flushing my plants for the last 2 weeks. Has anyone had experience with just flushing for 1 week and still getting a smooth burn without any taste in chemicals?

Pictures

 

[toolage]

Sweet! I hope you can plant in August when I am gonna drop some seed.
I have a special treat planned but more when its in hand.
But you will probably be way ahead of me by then.
I am just gonna add better intake ventilation and go right back to it here and expect to be all finished up with this batch by the second or third week of July at the latest.
Now don't laugh but...
August 5th I will germinate.
Reason is according to my "Moon Planting Matrix"
The moon is in Libra and is 1/4 waxing (moving toward full)
The best time to plant above ground annuals especially flowers and herbs
It will remain that way until August 7th
OK now you can laugh.
Hehe
Really, I would love to do a side by side with you on this one.
Harvest will be just before the Holidays with enough time to dry and cure well.
(the strain I hope to be growing out takes a bit longer than yours being it does best with a longer veg period)
Anyway, best of luck to you brother finishing this baby up and I already can't wait for the next round.

Is your reasoning behind that true? Or is it a myth?
I can't wait to see your plans for the next grow, you might have already typed one up, I need to do some catch up lol.

 

[Alto]

Is your reasoning behind that true? Or is it a myth?

Moon Phases Garden Calendar 2008 Lunar Planting Guide Moon Phase Gardening Calendar Best Days To Plant
downloaded the FREE trial and input the info I wanted on the calendar.
Used a screen grabber to copy the calendar images and printed em out.
Have the whole next year printed.
If it turns out right I will buy the thing lol
I have it mostly for my outdoor growing as the water tables are definitely affected by the moon, just as the tides are.
The astrology stuff is nonsense IMHO but one never knows.
I have been wrong before.

 

[email468]

Moon Phases Garden Calendar 2008 Lunar Planting Guide Moon Phase Gardening Calendar Best Days To Plant
downloaded the FREE trial and input the info I wanted on the calendar.
Used a screen grabber to copy the calendar images and printed em out.
Have the whole next year printed.
If it turns out right I will buy the thing lol
I have it mostly for my outdoor growing as the water tables are definitely affected by the moon, just as the tides are.
The astrology stuff is nonsense IMHO but one never knows.
I have been wrong before.

Alto - i am not discouraging you from trying this but there is zero evidence that the moon has any affect on plant growth. Tides are far more complicated than just the moon's tug and water tables do not "tide". At leat the water tables close enough to the Earth's surface to matter. Think on it this way - a swimming pool doesn't have tides. The Great Lake are just barely affected by the moon's tidal forces. The point being, plants and the water tables that feed them are too small a mass to be affected by the moon's gravitational tug.

The only reason why I know this is I've researched it. My Dad, an avid reader of Farmer's Almanac, always used to recommend planting "by the moon" too so it's not like i don't have first-hand accounts of its effectiveness. Let's just say the science isn't there to confirm it.

And the problem is - if you plant "by the moon" and have a great harvest - what will you credit? your skills or the moon? How would we know the moon had any influence on the grow? We humans tend to credit whatever we are doing at the time as the cause but that often isn't the case. It is called confirmation bias.

 

[kochab]

Moon Phases Garden Calendar 2008 Lunar Planting Guide Moon Phase Gardening Calendar Best Days To Plant
downloaded the FREE trial and input the info I wanted on the calendar.
Used a screen grabber to copy the calendar images and printed em out.
Have the whole next year printed.
If it turns out right I will buy the thing lol
I have it mostly for my outdoor growing as the water tables are definitely affected by the moon, just as the tides are.
The astrology stuff is nonsense IMHO but one never knows.
I have been wrong before.

Ill try it out some myself to see if I can tell any difference in plants.
Its worth that much I think....

Alto - i am not discouraging you from trying this but there is zero evidence that the moon has any affect on plant growth. Tides are far more complicated than just the moon's tug and water tables do not "tide". At leat the water tables close enough to the Earth's surface to matter. Think on it this way - a swimming pool doesn't have tides. The Great Lake are just barely affected by the moon's tidal forces. The point being, plants and the water tables that feed them are too small a mass to be affected by the moon's gravitational tug.

The only reason why I know this is I've researched it. My Dad, an avid reader of Farmer's Almanac, always used to recommend planting "by the moon" too so it's not like i don't have first-hand accounts of its effectiveness. Let's just say the science isn't there to confirm it.

And the problem is - if you plant "by the moon" and have a great harvest - what will you credit? your skills or the moon? How would we know the moon had any influence on the grow? We humans tend to credit whatever we are doing at the time as the cause but that often isn't the case. It is called confirmation bias.

but on the most part I agree with email. While plants may actually do better due to the moon and what not going on in our planets cycles,
we have no real control to monitor the differences to those plants and see if its worth doing. We often have to keep in mind that old timers often used outdated methods. Like here people leave plants out until the first frost no matter what. Wtf makes them think that plants wont mature untill frost hits them, i dunno, but I know mine are RARELY out there that long (in all my time growing there has been only 2 to need that long)

 

[Alto]

Heh
Well... people did everything by the moon at one time.
the earth was flat back then,
and magic filled the air.

I'm not saying I actually believe that this stuff is real science (especially the astrology part)
But I do like the idea that magic could still exist, and if it does I would love to apply some to my grow. Heh.

High tides are recorded along waterways all across the world and the level of the water table is affected by that for certain.
I do live close to a major river, and am relatively close to the ocean (60 miles or so),
so I do think the moon does affect the levels of the water table in the area where I live, because I know it affects the river, and that the river affects the water table.
Might not be true for you, depending on where you live.
The water table here does rise and fall along with the tides but in a delayed fashion.

 

[kochab]

Actually bro, I'm keeping the same setup. I'm still doing the drip and feed. The airpump and airstone are just to keep the water clean.

I would like to do more then 3 plants total, but my 400w can only hand probably 6 plants all the way through flowering. My resevoir only holds 3 plants. If I wanted to do more then 3 plants, I would have to do a soil grow, because the resevoir takes up most of the square footage that the light actually hits.

Maybe when I come out there, we can think of a better way to set everything up. I'll bring detailed pictures of the dimensions of the room and we'll work something out.

You can fit up to 12-15 plants under a 400 watt and them do just fine usually. Since you are in a closet or some other area that will limit airflow Id think that you can do 6-8 EASY.
But then there is the issue of that res taking up all the floorspace under the light...
The airstones and airpump in your res may actually add to the speed that your plant grows. In hydro, the more oxygenated the water the faster the growth, and your adding additional oxygen before you actually drip the water onto the roots(which adds oxygen as well)
Its easy to make a setup that would let you hold more plants in the same space, the problem I see is that you go away so often unexpectedly....So it bout near HAS to be able to be automated (self watering)
Some people use drip setups along with soil setups sometimes to make watering an automated process, which could be an option for you if you wanna figure out the timing to it. (never done it myself although I know a couple folks that have)

But yeah well cram some ideas when we get together. 2 stoner brains have to be better than one.

Update Day 65 Flowering/104 Days from Veg

Nutes Added in Resevoir:
9 drops ph down

PH/PPM
5.3/1000

Temp/Humidity
73.1/38%
Max-91.3/54%
Min-63.2/20%

Stretch
I really believe those branches I cut off are helping her out a lot. Her colas have really fattened up since yesterday. I'm still contimplating on letting her go out longer then 12 weeks. I'll use the extra time to save up the extra money to get everything right.

Question
I planned on flushing my plants for the last 2 weeks. Has anyone had experience with just flushing for 1 week and still getting a smooth burn without any taste in chemicals?

Pictures

Wow strechette is bulking up a shitload more than I thought. I figured itd happen just thought itd take lots longer.
As for the flushing, That mainly depends on how often nutes have been added to her and how often you have been putting them into her.
I dont think that the taste would be affected that much myself but it depends on the strain as well so I cant say for sure.

I say cut a small hunk of bud that looks the most amber (not necessarily the entire branch unless you just want to), hang it to dry until the stem cracks on it when you bend it and try it out in a glass bowl. It will taste leafy as hell because it hasnt been cured and thats to be expected, However if it makes a "burning" feel in the back/palate of your throat
then it still has a lot of chemical matter in it and should be flushed out still.

Glad to see that all is going well and strechette is in the prime of her (ever so shortening) life.

 

[toolage]

this is definently an interesting read. whether it's true or not, it's something to look into just for the knowledge.


on a side note....i have tested out the buds that I took off yesterday. and let me tell you what...the buds I took off yesterday were from near the very bottom. The buds were loose and small. I let it dry in a dark closet over night, and then I put one of the buds in the microwave. I just smoked it in the bong, and omg the taste is so fruity I didn't even taste one chemical. Believe it or not, I'm about relaxed as HELL! Not to sure how long it's going to last, but I was sober as a judge 5 minutes ago, and I'm having such a mind numbing pleasure right now!

Before I ripped this bong I have been creating a practice vegetative room. This is in my other closet, and with a lot more room to work with. I'll post pictures in just a few minutes.

 

[Alto]

That tears it, I am gonna clean up my girls tonight and do a bit of trimming.
The moon stuff is fun and interesting, but I would never actually depend on it for anything. Just covering the bases ya know.
Fruity eh? sounds great T

 

[toolage]

You can fit up to 12-15 plants under a 400 watt and them do just fine usually. Since you are in a closet or some other area that will limit airflow Id think that you can do 6-8 EASY.
But then there is the issue of that res taking up all the floorspace under the light...
The airstones and airpump in your res may actually add to the speed that your plant grows. In hydro, the more oxygenated the water the faster the growth, and your adding additional oxygen before you actually drip the water onto the roots(which adds oxygen as well)
Its easy to make a setup that would let you hold more plants in the same space, the problem I see is that you go away so often unexpectedly....So it bout near HAS to be able to be automated (self watering)
Some people use drip setups along with soil setups sometimes to make watering an automated process, which could be an option for you if you wanna figure out the timing to it. (never done it myself although I know a couple folks that have)

But yeah well cram some ideas when we get together. 2 stoner brains have to be better than one.




Wow strechette is bulking up a shitload more than I thought. I figured itd happen just thought itd take lots longer.
As for the flushing, That mainly depends on how often nutes have been added to her and how often you have been putting them into her.
I dont think that the taste would be affected that much myself but it depends on the strain as well so I cant say for sure.

I say cut a small hunk of bud that looks the most amber (not necessarily the entire branch unless you just want to), hang it to dry until the stem cracks on it when you bend it and try it out in a glass bowl. It will taste leafy as hell because it hasnt been cured and thats to be expected, However if it makes a "burning" feel in the back/palate of your throat
then it still has a lot of chemical matter in it and should be flushed out still.

Glad to see that all is going well and strechette is in the prime of her (ever so shortening) life.

Ok well let me list all the things I do have and let's see what we can create. I have 2 10 gallon rubbermaid bins and 1 5 gallon rubbermaid bin. If needed I can move this growroom to a bigger closet, but it's in my room and then I'd have no place to put my clothes lol. I would really prefer doing hydro as I've had such great success with it. I don't have too much knowledge on how to DIY making any other system besides what I'm using. My previous grow buddy has always used this system with great results, only downfall is your limited how many you can grow. If we can think of an inexpensive way to fit 8 small plants in that closet and grow it hydro, then that would be awesome. What would be the ideal setup I would be looking at?

 

[toolage]

Fruity eh? sounds great T

yeah man I can't believe that one it doesn't tastes like chems, and two that I'm even high let alone stoned and have cotton mouth from it, especially from the way it looks. It's really loose and not even filled in. I can't wait for the final product!!!

 

[kochab]

on a side note....i have tested out the buds that I took off yesterday. and let me tell you what...the buds I took off yesterday were from near the very bottom. The buds were loose and small. I let it dry in a dark closet over night, and then I put one of the buds in the microwave. I just smoked it in the bong, and omg the taste is so fruity I didn't even taste one chemical. Believe it or not, I'm about relaxed as HELL! Not to sure how long it's going to last, but I was sober as a judge 5 minutes ago, and I'm having such a mind numbing pleasure right now!

Im really glad to hear that your work is for sure going to pay off. Maybe now you relize a bit more of what all your efforts have been for.
call it folks, toolage is officially addicted to growing now. lmao

Before I ripped this bong I have been creating a practice vegetative room. This is in my other closet, and with a lot more room to work with. I'll post pictures in just a few minutes.

and see, you do have more options to use. well get a perfect setup for you designed before long.

Ok well let me list all the things I do have and let's see what we can create. I have 2 10 gallon rubbermaid bins and 1 5 gallon rubbermaid bin.

Approximately how big are the tubs? Approximately how big is the closet you are using now and how big is the one in your room that your thinking of vegging with?
Dont you have a water pump that your using with the drip system? You will also have that available to use after this grow, if not I have a bilge pump(for boating) you can have. Im trying to piece some ideas together slowly

If needed I can move this growroom to a bigger closet, but it's in my room and then I'd have no place to put my clothes lol.

If its really that much larger then you could possibly think about using that closet for flowering and vegging? Then you might be able to put clothes In the other closet that you used for this grow if there is enough space in there.

I would really prefer doing hydro as I've had such great success with it. I don't have too much knowledge on how to DIY making any other system besides what I'm using.

Im pretty good @ diy in about any area so I can give you a walk through to do most systems if you need the help there.
In ease of setup of hydro units, diy or store bought, id say that the drip setup or dwc would be your best options.

My previous grow buddy has always used this system with great results, only downfall is your limited how many you can grow.

we may just end up making a bigger one better suited for your needs since you already know how to operate it and get great results with it.

If we can think of an inexpensive way to fit 8 small plants in that closet and grow it hydro, then that would be awesome. What would be the ideal setup I would be looking at?

finding somewhere elsewhere to put the clothes would be the first issue. You need somewhere for clothing storage, there is no getting around that.
Then we need to figure out which closet youll be using so I know how much space you got to play with, so like I said earlier, I'll need to know about how much space is in each one

 

[toolage]

great bro, thanks for all your help. I'll brb I'm going to make some measurements.

 

[toolage]

Flower Room - 100'L x 24'W x 104'H

Veg Room - 57'L x 61'W x 104'H

2, 10 gallon res - 31.5'L x 19'W x 17'H

1, 5 gallon res - 22'L x 17'W x 18'H

and yes i have a 30gph water pump that pumps into a water bottle, that has holes that perfectly fit as many tubes as I need to hook into it. From there it fills up the bottle and evenly feeds 1-7 plants.

 

[kochab]

Flower Room - 100'L x 24'W x 104'H

Veg Room - 57'L x 61'W x 104'H

2, 10 gallon res - 31.5'L x 19'W x 17'H

1, 5 gallon res - 22'L x 17'W x 18'H

and yes i have a 30gph water pump that pumps into a water bottle, that has holes that perfectly fit as many tubes as I need to hook into it. From there it fills up the bottle and evenly feeds 3-7 plants.

okay seems to me that when this grow is over you should just use the closet in your bedroom to veg and flower with .That way you have more room for it to expand and room to play around with.(you also will have to accommodate some space to walk in so you can check on plants)

According to my calculatons the closet you are calling a veg room (the one in your bedroom if Im correct) is almost 5 foot deep from the door/s to the back, and about 5 feet wide right? thats roughly estimated @ 25 square feet of room in there on the floor. (god I wish I had that @ my house to setup a vertical, prepetual harvest, soil grow in....)

The closet you are calling a flower room is about 8ft long from the doors to the back and about 2 foot wide... which is roughly estimated @ 16 square foot of floor space....

Is this your house(so I know if you can modify the structuring of the house) and do the closets connect (other than being separated with a wall) like most closets in homes do? Or are you against modifying anything in the home?

the best bet looks to me like using the closet strechette is in for clothes, and do veg and flower in your bedroom closet as you would have more total room to use. it would give you about, 12.5 square feet of room for flower and veg if you split that closet down the center.
Then again I need to know how you wanna keep everything operational as well cause you may not NEED as much room for veg as you do flowering(generally 1/3 of the flowering room size is all thats needed for veg).
The closet that strechette is in MUST be a bitch to move around in with plants in there. Im sure it would be more of a pain with more smaller plants to look out for.
But thats just my personal opinion all again.

 

[toolage]

okay seems to me that when this grow is over you should just use the closet in your bedroom to veg and flower with .That way you have more room for it to expand and room to play around with.(you also will have to accommodate some space to walk in so you can check on plants)

According to my calculatons the closet you are calling a veg room (the one in your bedroom if Im correct) is almost 5 foot deep from the door/s to the back, and about 5 feet wide right? thats roughly estimated @ 25 square feet of room in there on the floor. (god I wish I had that @ my house to setup a vertical, prepetual harvest, soil grow in....)

The closet you are calling a flower room is about 8ft long from the doors to the back and about 2 foot wide... which is roughly estimated @ 16 square foot of floor space....

Is this your house(so I know if you can modify the structuring of the house) and do the closets connect (other than being separated with a wall) like most closets in homes do? Or are you against modifying anything in the home?

the best bet looks to me like using the closet strechette is in for clothes, and do veg and flower in your bedroom closet as you would have more total room to use. it would give you about, 12.5 square feet of room for flower and veg if you split that closet down the center.
Then again I need to know how you wanna keep everything operational as well cause you may not NEED as much room for veg as you do flowering(generally 1/3 of the flowering room size is all thats needed for veg).
The closet that strechette is in MUST be a bitch to move around in with plants in there. Im sure it would be more of a pain with more smaller plants to look out for.
But thats just my personal opinion all again.

I would like to be able to seperate rooms, but I'm not to sure of a decent way of doing that in my bedroom closet. This is actually an apartment so I can't destroy anything major in this place. The closet that stretch is in right now, trust me is the biggest pain in the ass to move around and try and take pictures. I have to be so stiff moving around to the right side of the closet.

I removed the sliding doors on that closet and put a tarp in there. If you check somewhere along the lines of page 34 or something you should be able to find a video I recorded of my grow op. I'll go back and search for it and PM it to you.

The door on my bedroom closet is a hinged door, which I honestly don't want to dissasemble, just incase any maintenance has to be done. It would make more sense to do flowering in this room, as I could flower more plants at one time and have more space to move around, manage the plants, take pictures etc. I'll probbaly just move my room into the room that stretch is in and just leave my current bedroom empty.

I do have an airvent in this closet, which I don't have currently now. So keeping the closet cool won't be a problem. The only problem I have is getting air out. I don't want to drill any holes in the doors nor do I want to remove doors or cut into ceiling.

Here are some pictures of what the closet looks like and how I setup my practice veg area.