Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[Mohican]

So the red mites are good ones?

 

[dl290485]

I'm in Australia Cann... so S&H is going to be a lot more for me. I'm going to buy the oil from neemoil.com.au for AU$32 including postage for 1 liter (33.8 oz). But no one sells Neem cake in Australia- literally no one! I contacted all the big sellers (two of whom both claim to be the biggest importer of neem products in Australia) and they said that logistically it costs too much and there is no demand. They couldn't even get it for me as a special order. I'll look into how much neemsource will sting me to ship cake to Australia, but I have a feeling it's going to cost way too much.

 

[hyroot]

Mo yes red ones are good


Cann Regardless of your opinion both compost do kill off bugs. Again I've seen it first hand. I know it works I will continue to use it and tell people about it so blah blah. Blah.... I know there is peat in Alaskan forest. It says that on the bag. But there's compost in there too and plenty of bacteria. But probably more fungi dominant. My teas with that foams up tuff. Peat alone will not foam up.

Even the most knowledgeable person can be wrong. No one knows everything except for me lol. (That's a joke. Not to be taken literal)

Dl I Googled neem in australia and googled hydro shops and found a few that have neem. Not many though. Its also rediculously expensive. Maybe ebay might work for you.

 

[Cann]

i'm tellin ya...ancient forest is nothing but peat. plain and simple. ain't no "compost" in there...

MM has examined ancient forest vs. premier peat under a microscope...his conclusions: they are identical. I tend to trust MM.

agreed that nobody is right all the time...but i'm tellin ya man.....buy some other "compost" besides ancient forest...you're wasting your time (and $$) with that stuff


DL - shit man...didn't know you were in aussie...gonna be a bit harder to find LOL. maybe talk to SS_OG (silver surfer OG) over on the seed depot...he is from tas and i know he has spent a lot of time sourcing ROLS goodies down in your neck of da woods. good luck to ya! ahimsa shipping will probably be out of the picture...

 

[Cann]

Hopefully this old cootz posts helps get across what I am trying to say:

"A couple of years ago Microbeman posted the results from comparing Premier Peat (from Premier Horticulture - the Pro-Mix company) against Alaska Magic (aka Alaska Humus, GO Ancient Forest, Denali Gold, Alaska Bull-Sh*t) here and he provided videos showing the various microbes and explains what you are looking at.

Recently MM completed another round of tests using Premier Peat (specifically) and the new video is here at YouTube.com for you to watch and learn."


I highly recommend you check out the link to MM's website, specifically the part about sphagnum peat...I almost c/p'ed everything here but it was a bit verbose so i'll let y'all seek out the information yourselves. i'll let everyone come to their own conclusions...

 

[hyroot]

Have you read my whole posts. I haven't bought it in 2 years. I buy Eco scraps. But there is. If you know about gen hydro/organic law suits over the whole omri thing. When I did buy it it was $7 a 1/2 cu ft. I buy eco scraps for $5 a cu ft. Its made from veggies. I don't use any manure or guano. All those pathogens are horrible. After I saw my holmegirls uncle develop an allergy to guano after 30 years of growing. That kind of convinced me not use it.

Elaine ingham a microbiologist who is at the top in her field actually recommends ancient forest too

Mm first sentence says he is not an expert in microbiology and is a self trained scientist. Hmmm....... no actual education from any school. No degrees hmmmm......

There several oxford university and university of missourri studies too


I never went to med school. But I know quite a lot about health and medicine. So I guess I'll start calling myself Dr.

 

[SpliffAndMyLady]

Anyone familiar with using old pots of super soil for no til?

 

[Cann]

i've used old supersoil for outdoor veggie gardens.

honestly i'd be scared to put something like that in a no-till. you'd be much better off starting from scratch IMO.

bout time to build another raised bed outdoors for the summer anyway, eh? i could always use another raised bed....

 

[Cann]

hyroot...i've said what I need to say...I know that you don't use it anymore but I was just trying to clarify for others who might be reading this thread. I don't want someone coming on here, reading that alaska forest is good compost, and then going out to buy that for their soil's humic content...if that happens we have failed with this thread. I'm fine if they read another thread on RIU and come away w/ that misconception..but not this one. this is a thread where we call out all the stoner science bullshit marketing hype for all to see...and alaska magic or whatever you want to call it is just that: marketing hype for gullible stoners. end rant

 

[SpliffAndMyLady]

Thanks @Cann

 

[hyroot]

Mm is bullshit. That website I read 3 years ago. He has already been debunked by academics. So you shouldn't mention him either. You should never take the word of one man. Especially one who has not had any formal education and who has never been published. everything mm says is opinion. Read up on some university papers and real microbiolgists. Like elain ingham. There are several others too. But she is known as the Queen of compost and has a few phd's. So I would take her word over MM's. She recommends using ancient forest.

You notice. How through out MM's page he is plugging products. Just more marketing.

I stopped using ancient forest because it runs too hot.. Hmmm peat alone doesn't do that.

 

[Cann]

read the very first post in this thread by invo. thanks to MM is one of the first things that is said. if you don't respect him, this thread is not for you. i'll leave it at that

i highly recommend you ask coot to tell you about elaine ingham. LOL. he might help shed some light onto the subject and give some perspective...

lets get this thread back on track:

here are two BOxNL5/haze plants sharing a #45 no-till smartpot. ridiculous flower development...they haven't even been flowering for 4 weeks! a bit of leaf burn from the heavy TM-7 application...the plant behind them to the right got hit pretty hard

 

[jubiare]

PPlease everybody just remind yourself this is the ROLS thread with perhaps the finest info you'll ever find
What cann is trying to divulge are very solid and proved info that come from a very fine bunch of people that went behind not only the hydro bottles culture but the commercial inflated prices inferior products too

There's loads to learn from them before even attempting to correct them..

I haven't had a bug bothering me in a year and sourcing the real neem cake is well part of the deal

Also having an education or not about a specific field doesn't necessarily mean either way
Some assholes educated so called experts divulge manipulated info for business orientated purposes

Some uneducated great people do things for real passion and get to know things on a deeper level

There's no need to get crossed with cann just because is trying to hand you precious info

And there's no need to come in here trying to divulge old fashioned half way good advices based on products that are half way good, when you can make, in most cases, your own bulletproof kickass amendment/remedy

Unfortunately there isn't many of those guys around here to extensively back up cann

Peace

 

[Cann]

Also having an education or not about a specific field doesn't necessarily mean either way
Some assholes educated so called experts divulge manipulated info for business orientated purposes

Some uneducated great people do things for real passion and get to know things on a deeper level

amen

 

[headtreep]

New mix I'm working on. I provided some online sources incase you cant find this stuff locally. NO GUANOS, ALASKAN HUMUS, or HYDRO BS!! Simple and easy to source. You can see from Cann threads it gets the results we are looking for

1 c.f. Premier Peat Bale ( sold compressed 3 c.f.) - $9.99 Lowes
1 c.f. Pumice - $11.99 Local Nursery
1 c.f. BioFlora Fish and Kelp Compost (certified organic) - $6.00 Local Nursery

Basalt flour- 4 cups or 2 lbs. per c.f. http://www.rockdustlocal.com/
Crab Meal - 1/2 cup or 1/4 lb. per c.f. http://www.kisorganics.com/products/...oil-amendments
Kelp Meal - 1/2 cup or 1/4 lb. per c.f. http://www.groworganic.com/algit-nor...eal-55-lb.html
Neem Meal - 1/2 cup or 1/4 lb. per c.f. http://www.neemresource.com/

 

[st0wandgrow]

New mix I'm working on. I provided some online sources incase you cant find this stuff locally. NO GUANOS, ALASKAN HUMUS, or HYDRO BS!! Simple and easy to source. You can see from Cann threads it gets the results we are looking for

1 Premier Peat Bale (3 c.f.) - $9.99 Lowes
1 c.f. Pumice - $11.99 Local Nursery
1 c.f. BioFlora Fish and Kelp Compost (certified organic) - $6.00 Local Nursery

Basalt flour- 4 cups or 2 lbs. per c.f. http://www.rockdustlocal.com/
Crab Meal - 1/2 cup or 1/4 lb. per c.f. http://www.kisorganics.com/products/...oil-amendments
Kelp Meal - 1/2 cup or 1/4 lb. per c.f. http://www.groworganic.com/algit-nor...eal-55-lb.html
Neem Meal - 1/2 cup or 1/4 lb. per c.f. http://www.neemresource.com/

I'm by no means an expert here, but don't you want a higher percentage of aeration and compost in your mix? Something more along the lines of 1/3 peat, 1/3 aeration, 1/3 compost ....... or even 50% peat, 25% aeration, 25% compost?

 

[sullivan666]

Mm is bullshit. That website I read 3 years ago. He has already been debunked by academics. So you shouldn't mention him either. You should never take the word of one man. Especially one who has not had any formal education and who has never been published. everything mm says is opinion. Read up on some university papers and real microbiolgists. Like elain ingham. There are several others too. But she is known as the Queen of compost and has a few phd's. So I would take her word over MM's. She recommends using ancient forest.

You notice. How through out MM's page he is plugging products. Just more marketing.

I stopped using ancient forest because it runs too hot.. Hmmm peat alone doesn't do that.

http://www.microbeorganics.com/#Living_Soil

Doesn't sound like bullshit to me...but if you doubt it, he posts all of his sources at the bottom of the article.

 

[headtreep]

I'm by no means an expert here, but don't you want a higher percentage of aeration and compost in your mix? Something more along the lines of 1/3 peat, 1/3 aeration, 1/3 compost ....... or even 50% peat, 25% aeration, 25% compost?

Yeah I need to it more clear that's its 1 cf but the peat I source comes in 3cf. Thanks for catching and fixing now.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Yeah I need to it more clear that's its 1 cf but the peat I source comes in 3cf. Thanks for catching and fixing now.

Ahh. Makes sense. I buy that same peat and amend it very similar to what you're doing. It's amazing how that bale expands when it's broken up and wet down. I had peat flying everywhere the first time I made my own batch of soil!

 

[headtreep]

I take a 5 gal jug with aloe powder same measurement as foliar and water to get my peat wet.