How to save 58% on nutrient costs using AN products and still grow huge buds.

[NietzscheKeen]

No. I Grow in DWC 5 gallon buckets. I like your alternative method but do you have any idea if you can make a tea using voodoo juice and great white or other household stuff?

You can use whatever microbe supplement you like. If you're going for a foliar application, it's beneficial to get one with trichaderma. I've used Fox Farm Microbe Brew with success, but you can use whatever you like Great White is expensive, but popular. I was originally going to use Voodoo juice, but couldn't find it anywhere. You shouldn't need a lot of it, just enough to "seed" it. If you're doing it in hydro, I'd go lighter with the molasses as it has been known to cause problems with spray nozzles.

You know... I am thinking of adding alfalfa meal to my tea.

PS, sorry about that clown comment in the other thread. I was in a bad mood and took it out on you. I apologize and regret saying it. I was going to delete it, but the thread had been closed.

 

[Uncle Ben]

don't get all butthurt, but AN is for newbs that don't know any better. Run 1 plant next to your AN plant and use only dyna-gro and you will see for yourself.

AN and the other cannabis specific hawkers intentionally TARGET noobs. That's where the money is.

 

[burgertime2010]

AN and the other cannabis specific hawkers intentionally TARGET noobs. That's where the money is.

AN produces a lot of resin that I miss.

 

[Situation420]

AN has the best products on the market. Any experienced gardner will tell you that pH and Alkalinity play the most important role in any gardening setup. They are only company that has the pH perfect technology in it base nutrient products maintaining available nutrients to the plants making them more accessible. This means you are always using your nutrients in the most efficient manner.

I don't know about you but having to check my pH hardly every rather than every day on 20 buckets saves me about 60 hours of work per harvest. Even at minimum wage thats $480 of extra work i'm doing. F that. Unless you have a perfectly dialed in setup with a RO float valve and a TDS injection monitored recirculating system that is about $3k to setup you are not going to keep you pH that good in Hydroponics whatsoever. Hydroponics will also grow larger plants than in soil which is a well known fact.

 

[chuck estevez]

AN has the best products on the market. Any experienced gardner will tell you that pH and Alkalinity play the most important role in any gardening setup. They are only company that has the pH perfect technology in it base nutrient products maintaining available nutrients to the plants making them more accessible. This means you are always using your nutrients in the most efficient manner.

I don't know about you but having to check my pH hardly every rather than every day on 20 buckets saves me about 60 hours of work per harvest. Even at minimum wage thats $480 of extra work i'm doing. F that. Unless you have a perfectly dialed in setup with a RO float valve and a TDS injection monitored recirculating system that is about $3k to setup you are not going to keep you pH that good in Hydroponics whatsoever. Hydroponics will also grow larger plants than in soil which is a well known fact.

Sorry Noob, AN is NOT the best, and as I said, i use ONLY Dyna-gro and NEVER have to p.h it. So what else you got? You must work for them or are a Donkey and like wasting your money, I haven't figured out which one yet.

 

[Situation420]

Sorry Noob, AN is NOT the best, and as I said, i use ONLY Dyna-gro and NEVER have to p.h it. So what else you got? You must work for them or are a Donkey and like wasting your money, I haven't figured out which one yet.

Guess when any constructive criticism doesn't come to mind you immediately turn to insult and defend you honor lmaooo. I can tell you never pH adjust your plants just by looking at them lol no need to insult me and call me a noob. If you read my replies on other threads i don't think that a noob would be able to talk about what I do. I'm just trying to let people know how the pH perfect technology is fantastic to use and is a great time saver that gives you guaranteed results without the fussy know how that you already have.

 

[chuck estevez]

Guess when any constructive criticism doesn't come to mind you immediately turn to insult and defend you honor lmaooo. I can tell you never pH adjust your plants just by looking at them lol no need to insult me and call me a noob. If you read my replies on other threads i don't think that a noob would be able to talk about what I do. I'm just trying to let people know how the pH perfect technology is fantastic to use and is a great time saver that gives you guaranteed results without the fussy know how that you already have.

Telling people to use AN and WASTE there money is the worst advise anyone could give. Let's see, I'm saying save your money, you can grow just fine for $15, your telling them to spend there months paycheck on some snakeoil's.
HMMM, tough one to figure out. I'm going with DONKEY, there is NO WAY even AN would hire you.

 

[Situation420]

Telling people to use AN and WASTE there money is the worst advise anyone could give. Let's see, I'm saying save your money, you can grow just fine for $15, your telling them to spend there months paycheck on some snakeoil's.
HMMM, tough one to figure out. I'm going with DONKEY, there is NO WAY even AN would hire you.

Blah Blah BLah old man river with your outdated old school and advice. Yea you can grow just fine for $15 (of base nutrients) but if your interested in maximizing yield per area AN is the way to go. People that are looking for just a personal yield and have unlimited space don't have to use AN. Calling it snake oils is crazy and a cop out. Can you explain to me the chemistry behind chelation and how it applies to a nutrient solution and then how it works for your nutes and then AN nutes? When you learn about that and how it effects the nutrients availability in a chemical solution you will take back most of what your saying unless your an ignoramus.

 

[chuck estevez]

Blah Blah BLah old man river with your outdated old school and advice. Yea you can grow just fine for $15 (of base nutrients) but if your interested in maximizing yield per area AN is the way to go. People that are looking for just a personal yield and have unlimited space don't have to use AN. Calling it snake oils is crazy and a cop out. Can you explain to me the chemistry behind chelation and how it applies to a nutrient solution and then how it works for your nutes and then AN nutes? When you learn about that and how it effects the nutrients availability in a chemical solution you will take back most of what your saying unless your an ignoramus.

My nutrient is COMPLETE, all micros and macros are met, ANYTHING after that is Bullshit. I yield a quarter pound per plant and that went up after I dropped all the additives. Your argument is senseless. Chelation, you mean the break down of nutrients to a usable form for the plant to uptake? Ninja Please!!!!

 

[Situation420]

My nutrient is COMPLETE, all micros and macros are met, ANYTHING after that is Bullshit. I yield a quarter pound per plant and that went up after I dropped all the additives. Your argument is senseless. Chelation, you mean the break down of nutrients to a usable form for the plant to uptake? Ninja Please!!!!

Sorry, that sounds good but thats not what chelation is but good try your on the right track! I bet a quick look on wikipedia (not personally recommended as a good source but can be at times) has a good answer on it. Anyway there are so many essential things required for besides Macro and micro elements. Those are just the basics.

 

[chuck estevez]

Sorry, that sounds good but thats not what chelation is but good try your on the right track! I bet a quick look on wikipedia (not personally recommended as a good source but can be at times) has a good answer on it. Anyway there are so many essential things required for besides Macro and micro elements. Those are just the basics.

 

[Situation420]

I never can gauge charlie sheens emotions when hes on drugs, he always just looks surprised to me. Is that what you trying to say?

 

[chuck estevez]

I never can gauge charlie sheens emotions when hes on drugs, he always just looks surprised to me. Is that what you trying to say?

Your on drugs if you BUY AN and support that rip off of a company. They LOVE noobs like you. I am done arguing this with you. Get a few grows under your belt, then after you feel the burn from AN stealing your hard earned cash and you've earned your greenthumb. you might get it.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Telling people to use AN and WASTE there money is the worst advise anyone could give. Let's see, I'm saying save your money, you can grow just fine for $15, your telling them to spend there months paycheck on some snakeoil's.
HMMM, tough one to figure out. I'm going with DONKEY, there is NO WAY even AN would hire you.

Furniture store owner to supervisor - "Did you mark up that Lane bedroom suite 100% as we discussed?"

Floor supervisor - "Yes sir, the tags have been installed on the pieces."

Furniture store owner - "Good job, now go place that 50% Clearance sale ad for the Friday newspaper".

 

[chuck estevez]

Furniture store owner to supervisor - "Did you mark up that Lane bedroom suite 100% as we discussed?"

Floor supervisor - "Yes sir, the tags have been installed on the pieces."

Furniture store owner - "Good job, now go place that 50% Clearance sale ad for the Friday newspaper".

Another good one,

a guy brings his BMW to the mechanic and says it has a noise, The mechanic crawls under the car and hits it with a hammer. That will be $400
the guy says $400? why so much, The mechanic says, I know where to hit it.


AN Knows how to hit NOOBS.

 

[Situation420]

The actual conversation:

Furniture store owner: Did you mark up that Lane bedroom suite 100% as we discussed?

Floor supervisor - "yes sir, the tags have been installed on the pieces"

Furniture store owner - "good job, now go place that 50% clearance sale ad in the Friday newspaper"

Floor supervisor- (thinks to himeself) Why is my boss always asking me to do the advertising and merchandisers job?

Furniture store owner - "Now we can convince people that this more expensive better product is worth the money by convincing them that it is on sale now!"

Floor supervisor - "woo" who cares i still get paid the same.

 

[chuck estevez]

 

[patlpp]

@Situation420 - AS an example of AN rip-off marketing, take Rhino Skin as an example. Why is Rhino .15% Silica instead of other products that average 3-7% silica yet Rhino costs much more (32$ a qt Rhino, $14.50 for Pro-Tekt) Thats 2% of the active ingredient of pro-tekt. Is it because of PH-Perfect? .4% Potassium Silicate is PH-perfect indeed because .4% wouldn't effect ph all that much anyways!! The product is pure bullshit, water water water. So what does that say for the integrity of their other products?

For me, Sensi base is great. Use it all the time @ 8ml/gal - nice array of ingredients and all. I compared grows using some sups but noted no real difference (except for overdrive which extended my harvest )
If you tuned in your grow using all those sups at such a price, more power to you. Personally I find nutes all in all so negligible in the whole economical scheme of things, considering the cash crop involved.

I'm not dissing you for using AN at all. What works that brings in the scratch is the bottom line. (if that is what you do)

 

[hyroot]

Green sand $1 a pound. Rock dust 75¢ a pound. has far more silica than any of the bottle nutes and several other mineral. Plus no heavy metals and arsenic

 

[Situation420]

Hey i used to use silica blast when i started. When i mixed it into my nutes, it destroyed my solutions and would lockup anything it came in contact with when i did not add it before all of my other nutrients, When i add the Rhino skin the same way it did not effect my solution at all. I understand they the same chemicals but that is on the molecular level. Not the atomic level. The difference is how the products are made. All these people on here claim they have the same "stuff" in them. Why do you think marinol does not have the same effects as smoked thc? because it molecularly the same but not atomically and (sub atomically)

Go learn about some chemistry then come back at me. Don't just read off the internet. Take the classes for 4 months in college like i did Thermodynamics, Materials Science , Physics I and II, Chemistry, Statics, Dynamics, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, calc 1,2,3, business enterprise and operations research and get a B- or better. I would say I have a pretty good understanding of how a product is made from the design stage, development, manufacturing, product testing, sales, marketing, and Return on investment