A bad few months for teenage boys...

desert dude

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Kind of reminds me of this guy in Sacramento. Came home at 3:00am to find his home ransacked. Grabbed an ax and went outside & chased down the first person he saw & killed him with 4 ax blows to the head. He said he though the victim must have been guilty because he ran from him........Yeah, the victim ran from a guy with an ax at 3:00am......= guilty!.........:-(:-(Rio Linda ax murder trial begins
By Sam Stanton
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A Rio Linda ax murder trial began in Sacramento Superior Court today with the prosecutor claiming defendant Steven Zinda chased down his victim and killed him in a muddy field with four chops to his head in a premeditated and deliberate slaying.
But Zinda's defense attorney claims the death of David Valdez in March 2011 was the product of a burglary Zinda interrupted at his home and came only after Zinda and Valdez struggled outside the home.
"At the end of the case, we're going to ask you to find Mr. Zinda guilty of a homicide, and the homicide will be voluntary manslaughter," defense attorney Tom Johnson told the jury this morning in a third floor courtroom at the courthouse downtown.

The case may come down to whether the jury believes Zinda's anger when he came home to find the burglary in progress at 3 a.m. was reasonable enough for the actions that he took after he found his house ransacked.
Authorities say Zinda came outside after discovering the burglary and saw Valdez standing down the street near his Honda Passport, which was stuck in the mud.
Zinda believed Valdez was involved in the burglary and confronted him with the ax. Valdez began running but Zinda eventually caught up to him in a muddy field, where a struggle ensued before Zinda delivered the ax blows, one of which penetrated the victim's skull and severed his brain.
Deputy District Attorney Sheri Greco told the jury in her opening statement this morning that Valdez, 20, had been attending a party in the neighborhood and was killed simply because he was standing beside his truck waiting for friends to return and help him pull it out of a ditch.
When Zinda saw him standing outside down the street from his house, she said, Zinda decided he was involved in the burglary and confronted him.
"Mr. Zinda approaches him with ax in hand and says, 'What's the matter, buddy? Your friends leave you?'"
At that point, Valdez took off running, eventually covering a quarter mile before Zinda caught him.
"He is literally running for his life," Greco said.
In interviews with sheriff's detectives later, Greco said, Zinda made it clear that he was after Valdez.
"Mr. Zinda admits, 'Yeah, I was coming for him like Deliverance,'" she said.
Greco said Zinda hit Valdez three times in the face with the ax and began to walk off until he saw Valdez struggling to get back up. Zinda returned and gave him a fourth blow to the back of his scalp, she said, and later told detectives that he wanted to "finish him off."
Valdez never posed a threat to Zinda, she added.
But Johnson painted an entirely different picture of events that rainy night, saying Zinda came home from visiting a friend around 3 a.m. and saw his garage door open.
Zinda, who lived in the home with his young son, was extremely upset when he discovered his bedroom ransacked. Zinda's son was not at the house at the time, but Zinda was concerned about the violation of their home.
"He's basically a middle class man raising a kid on his own," Johnson said. "This is all he had."
When Zinda saw Valdez outside, his initial thought that he was one of the burglars "was absolutely the right thing to think," Johnson said.
"Mr. Zinda was angry about what happened in his house, as any reasonable person would be," he said.
"From there, this spiraled quickly, and within moments Mr. Valdez was deceased," Johnson added.
But Johnson insisted his client acted out of momentary rage and is not a murderer.

"Did he feel horrible about it? Yes," Johnson said. "Is he a cold-blooded murderer? Absolutely not."
Sounds like murder to me.
 

doublejj

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Sounds like murder to me.
This is the same thing Zimmerman did. Chased the guy down because he though he 'looked' guilty & when the victim stopped to defend himself, he killed him. But Zimmerman was more humane because he used a gun........murder just the same.....ax or gun
 

GreenSummit

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According to all firearms training I have ever received, both public and LEO, warning shots are NEVER the proper action to take. Holding at gunpoint is a good idea but ultimately, a gun should only be fired at someone when you are in credible fear for your life/safety or that of another. And at THAT point, center mass is where it's at.
^^^this is the proper answer.

i wouldnt just randomly shoot any trespasser without discretion - but more than likely, if they weren't invited and dont belong, they are probably facing my gun. dont forget you all live in different neighborhoods than me, and maybe its normal for you to have random people in your yards at all hours, but not where i live. too many people here forget to try the other persons shoes on before saying their opinion is wrong.
 

NietzscheKeen

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This is the same thing Zimmerman did. Chased the guy down because he though he 'looked' guilty & when the victim stopped to defend himself, he killed him. But Zimmerman was more humane because he used a gun........murder just the same.....ax or gun
Doublejj, I respect you as a human, but I think your opinions on this matter are ridiculous and ill informed. I just can't understand how you see things differently than I do. I've tried to see it your way, but to me there just isn't another possibility. It's like trying to imagine a round triangle.
 

doublejj

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trespassing is NOT a capitol offence!...and I would NEVER show anyone my gun.....they will know I have a gun when they see the muzzle flash, not before......the min you show a gun, you just gave the other guy reason to fear for his life & use deadly force ON YOU!!!
 

doublejj

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Doublejj, I respect you as a human, but I think your opinions on this matter are ridiculous and ill informed. I just can't understand how you see things differently than I do. I've tried to see it your way, but to me there just isn't another possibility. It's like trying to imagine a round triangle.
I kinda feel the same way about you bro......I just don't get when your coming from.......????
 

GreenSummit

Active Member
trespassing is NOT a capitol offence!...and I would NEVER show anyone my gun.....they will know I have a gun when they see the muzzle flash, not before......the min you show a gun, you just gave the other guy reason to fear for his life & use deadly force ON YOU!!!
If the U.S. governmentt can use capitol force for a trespasser then i dont see why i cant. are you an american doublejj? if so you might want to learn a little more about the rules followed by the ones telling you to follow them.
 

doublejj

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If the U.S. governmentt can use capitol force for a trespasser then i dont see why i cant. are you an american doublejj? if so you might want to learn a little more about the rules followed by the ones telling you to follow them.
"Because the Gov can do it, so can I"....lol good luck with that!............so by your definition the next time my neighbors kid climbs the fence to retrieve his ball, I can just cap him?.....where do you live?......
 

UncleBuck

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Somebody on RIU uses an ax as a home defense weapon. Take note...
and i'm not sure why i haven't been killing people en masse lately.

every day, several dozen people come right at me with a deadly weapon.

some people may call it a "sidewalk", but i know better. it's a deadly weapon.

Doublejj, I respect you as a human, but I think your opinions on this matter are ridiculous and ill informed. I just can't understand how you see things differently than I do. I've tried to see it your way, but to me there just isn't another possibility. It's like trying to imagine a round triangle.
hey sexy!

my riesling was fantastic. gotta get back to my reading now!

 

doublejj

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exactly.

who knows if the kid was trying to sneak over to his friend's house and accidentally hopped the wrong gate.

why not just tell him to freeze and hold him at gunpoint like the professionals would do?
What if he doesn't freeze & keeps on walking?.......if you start pointing guns a people, you better be ready to shoot......
 

doublejj

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There was a case a few years ago (I can't find the story or I'd post it). This property owner didn't like people "trespassing" thru a corner of his lot to get to the river. People would drive across a corner of his land to park near the river to fish & swim. He got a camera & videoed many people cutting thru. He decided to put a stop to it........with a gun. He gave his wife the camera & confronted the next car to drive thru, while holding his gun in his hand. When the driver of the car got out, the land owner raised his gun & pointed it at him. The driver feared for his life & hit the ground, rolled over & pulled his weapon, & put 3 shots center mass before the land owner got of a shot (missed). His wife had a great video of her husbands death. The car driver was never charged, not even trespassing......
 
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