Why are conspiracy theorists so dumb?

[NietzscheKeen]

Me too. It's called a dictionary, use it, sigh.

[video=youtube;H6xCtNZMAnU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6xCtNZMAnU[/video]

 

[guy incognito]

The same power ppl own the companies putting flouride in their product....so they were able to down the amnt in the water....theyre stil giving us an ample dose im sure

If in fact fluoride % was lowered you can bet it's a smoke screen

They no longer need to use vaccines as they have nano-particles which they mix into just about everything we buy that isn't organic

So if they raise the amount they are killing us?

If they keep it the same...well they are already killing us with it right?

And if they lower it then it is a smoke screen and you are still sure we are getting a proper dose?

So let me get this straight, no matter what their action is, it is malicious and done to hurt/control us? More, less, the same, it all points to being fluorided to death?

 

[jtprin]

the "mainstream media" predicted the outcome of the election to perfection using math and science.

the same math and science usually provides routine destruction to most of the theories espoused by the conspiratorial types of the world.

if you guys kept on being right, there would be less negative connotation to your label. but instead you guys keep howling about the fake moon landing, and super secret nano thermite, and gay communist hitler fluoride babies.

if they were really trying to poison us with fluoride, wouldn't they have revised the number for drinking water up instead of down? that they revised the number downwards just recently due to more topical uses of fluoride is evidence that the communists are not trying to make our babies gay with fluoride.

Conspiracy theorists are purposely made out to look like crazy, uneducated, paranoid people by the mainstream media because it persuades people into believing that, which makes it easier for people to just write them off when someone speaks out against the wrongdoings of those in power. If you speak out against the government nowadays, you're deemed a terrorist. That's tyranny. The power is supposed to be in the hands of the people, but everyone has been brainwashed and scared into submission ever since 9/11. Now the government wants to know when you take a piss... "for your own protection". How many terrorists has the TSA stopped since 9/11? Oh yeah, none. Have you ever heard of Edward Snowden? Ever researched the Bilderberg group? These aren't conspiracies, they are facts that are deliberately being shunned by the media. Instead, they constantly talk about some black kid being shot rather than things that truly matter in this world.

Go do some simple research on fluoride, it's my not job to educate you on everything you're misinformed about. If you have any intuition or ability to think for yourself, start researching into this stuff with an open mind.

 

[jtprin]

http://naturalsociety.com/government-calls-for-lower-fluoride-levels-admits-it-harms-children/
http://www.fluoridealert.org/issues/health/

 

[guy incognito]

Allow me.

MSG, mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, aborted fetal cells. Don't believe me? http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

It explains right in your link what those items are used for. We literally had this exact same conversation back in march in the GMO thread. In fact here is a series of quotes from that thread:

Injecting yourself with ANY kind of aluminum, mercury, MSG, or formaldehyde is BAD.

You do realize formaldehyde is a naturally occurring chemical right? It is the simplest aldehyde, CH2O. There is more naturally occurring formaldehyde in an apple than there is in a vaccine. Also you have more naturally occurring formaldehyde in your body right now than there is in a vaccine. Next thing you know they will be shoving dihydrogen monoxide down our throats! it's scary because it's chemically sounding.

1.) I never said formaldehyde wasn't a naturally occurring chemical.
2.) Formaldehyde that naturally occurs is in benign amounts.
3.) Even the government admits its dangers - http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=03C9AF75-E1BF-FF40-DBA9EC0928DF8B15

Which is bullshit.
1. It doesn't matter whether it's from a natural source or not, CH2O is CH20.
2. Formaldehyde below certain thresholds are benign regardless of source
3. The government also encourages vaccination with vaccines that contain small quantities of formaldehyde.

And as I already said, the quantity of formaldehyde inside a vaccine is LESS than the amount you currently have in your body.

Yes it does. Why would a chemical that is in foods you eat (naturally occurring, like in apples and nearly everything else) and that your body produces naturally be unsafe to inject at levels below what you make yourself? CH2O is CH2O. It's not a combination of tons of different chemicals like marijuana, it's a single simple organic compound. A ridiculously common organic compound. So simple that it occurs in space. There is absolutely no danger at the levels inside vaccines. Anyone that says otherwise is ignorant or brainwashed.

I see you have not done anymore research outside of naturalnews, or are choosing to remain ignorant. I'm not sure why you keep repeatedly bringing up formaldehyde.

I only focussed on debunking this one specific point in the other thread, but a quick google search will provide you with plenty of real information that completely debunks nearly everything jtprin claims.

 

[Firstoffallen]

Yep, without honey bees we're pretty much fucked. And they're dropping dead by the tens of millions all over the place.

Yea pretty much i dont think it would be right away tho we could always manually pollinate crops and wind would still help. BUT no bees is scary thought

 

[guy incognito]

Conspiracy theorists are purposely made out to look like crazy, uneducated, paranoid people by the mainstream media because it persuades people into believing that, which makes it easier for people to just write them off when someone speaks out against the wrongdoings of those in power. If you speak out against the government nowadays, you're deemed a terrorist. That's tyranny. The power is supposed to be in the hands of the people, but everyone has been brainwashed and scared into submission ever since 9/11. Now the government wants to know when you take a piss... "for your own protection". How many terrorists has the TSA stopped since 9/11? Oh yeah, none. Have you ever heard of Edward Snowden? Ever researched the Bilderberg group? These aren't conspiracies, they are facts that are deliberately being shunned by the media. Instead, they constantly talk about some black kid being shot rather than things that truly matter in this world.

Go do some simple research on fluoride, it's my not job to educate you on everything you're misinformed about. If you have any intuition or ability to think for yourself, start researching into this stuff with an open mind.

Blah blah blah. Look at post #84. There is nothing that will, or even possibly could change the mind of those 2 people. They are convinced that fluoride is bad, and putting it in the water is bad. Or reducing its level in water is bad. Or leaving it out is bad. Anything to do with it, or not, is bad and proof of the conspiracy. It's unfalsifiable. It's more than just unfalsifiable, because no matter what happens it adds further "proof" to the theory. Isn't it painfully obvious to everyone that it is not an external source making those guys look bad or crazy?

 

[jtprin]

It explains right in your link what those items are used for. We literally had this exact same conversation back in march in the GMO thread. In fact here is a series of quotes from that thread:











I see you have not done anymore research outside of naturalnews, or are choosing to remain ignorant. I'm not sure why you keep repeatedly bringing up formaldehyde.

I only focussed on debunking this one specific point in the other thread, but a quick google search will provide you with plenty of real information that completely debunks nearly everything jtprin claims.

You're delusional if you think naturalnews is the only place where they show how detrimental vaccines are. Yeah, they say that it makes the vaccines work better without providing any type of evidence. Injecting neurotoxins into your bloodstream is NEVER healthy. Why do I keep bringing up formaldehyde?

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=39 Cancer Effects: Known to be a Human Carcinogen
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=03C9AF75-E1BF-FF40-DBA9EC0928DF8B15
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/formaldehyde

 

[jtprin]

Besides, even if we assume that formaldehyde is completely safe in vaccines, how do you explain the MSG, mercury, and aluminum? All proven neurotoxins. Disregarding naturalnews solely because you have some type of issue with the website doesn't discredit the factual information posted there. They have links and sources to most of their claims, you just have to read. Unvaccinated children are also much healthier than vaccinated kids. http://www.naturalnews.com/036220_vaccinated_children_disease_allergies.html#ixzz1yDRjAEan I'd post the direct sources but PDF's freeze my computer.

 

[doublejj]

Buy organic.........

 

[guy incognito]

You're delusional if you think naturalnews is the only place where they show how detrimental vaccines are. Yeah, they say that it makes the vaccines work better without providing any type of evidence. Injecting neurotoxins into your bloodstream is NEVER healthy. Why do I keep bringing up formaldehyde?

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=39 Cancer Effects: Known to be a Human Carcinogen
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=03C9AF75-E1BF-FF40-DBA9EC0928DF8B15
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/formaldehyde

The evidence is overwhelming in favor of vaccination. And you are immediately doing it again, making statements that it is NEVER healthy to inject a neurotoxin (by which you are referring to formaldehyde) followed by some fact sheets. I made a bunch of posts explaining why that is a fallacy, and I even quoted them all again in this thread. Did you even read them? How do you refute my statements? You are so god damn concerned with "facts" that you don't even stop to consider the context. The amount of formaldehyde in a vaccine is LESS than the amount that is naturally occurring in your body right now. It is also less than is naturally occurring in an apple. Not some GMO radioactive apple. A normal organic apple has more formaldehyde than a vaccine.

More deaths are attributed to water than to formaldehyde. Does it follow logically that it is NEVER ok to put water into your body? No it's utter nonsense and you can immediately see why it is.

 

[guy incognito]

Besides, even if we assume that formaldehyde is completely safe in vaccines, how do you explain the MSG, mercury, and aluminum? All proven neurotoxins. Disregarding naturalnews solely because you have some type of issue with the website doesn't discredit the factual information posted there. They have links and sources to most of their claims, you just have to read. Unvaccinated children are also much healthier than vaccinated kids. http://www.naturalnews.com/036220_vaccinated_children_disease_allergies.html#ixzz1yDRjAEan I'd post the direct sources but PDF's freeze my computer.

That's like saying I should not discredit that drunk homeless guy ranting on the street because one time he actually gave me solid information. But 99% of the time it's incoherent rambling. That is what natural news is like. When they do have source you can be pretty certain that the author of the article has not only misinterpreted his source material but he had prior bias before writing the article. I have seen too much nonsense from that site to ever take it seriously. It might as well be alexjones.com

 

[kinetic]

guy, you didn't know about the water conspiracy? Yes water can kill you, that's why every home comes equipped with more than one way to access it. They wanted us all to drink too much water and become drunk and die on it. You see that was apart of their plan to hold us down...

Ya see when that didn't work they added flouride to our water in the "massive" amount of 1ppm, ya know, the whole 5 deaths of flourosis since '44 and they are well on their way.

Anyone else think jprin has yellow teeth?

 

[guy incognito]

Besides, even if we assume that formaldehyde is completely safe in vaccines, how do you explain the MSG, mercury, and aluminum? All proven neurotoxins. Disregarding naturalnews solely because you have some type of issue with the website doesn't discredit the factual information posted there. They have links and sources to most of their claims, you just have to read. Unvaccinated children are also much healthier than vaccinated kids. http://www.naturalnews.com/036220_vaccinated_children_disease_allergies.html#ixzz1yDRjAEan I'd post the direct sources but PDF's freeze my computer.

Ok I read the article you posted.

First read flag is the first sentence:

(NaturalNews) Suspicions have been confirmed for those wary of vaccinating their children.

They had suspicions. I have my doubts someone sat down to write this article without an agenda. I got my shit guards up to watch for bias now.

The first study they talk about is currently on going. In fact they have a link to the website where you ca go put your own personal experience in. Instead of an unbiased sample population you have only people that go to vaccineinjury.info, or have been redirected by another website like naturalnews. I would hardly consider self reporting a questionnaire over the internet as evidence.

If you follow the first source they even state as much:

The data was collected from parents with vaccine-free children via an internet questionnaire by vaccineinjury.info and Andreas Bachmair, a German classical homeopathic practitioner.

Homeopathic (read: bullshit) practioner. Red flag number...I have lost count.

The second study they talk about (the pdf you can't access) was a survey done in new zealand in 1992. Again a self reported questionaire that was distributed to 246 familes.


I'm sorry but i'm just not convinced. I have seen far more evidence to the contrary.

 

[curious2garden]

....snip...... Instead, they constantly talk about some black kid being shot rather than things that truly matter in this world....snip......

So if the life of a black kid doesn't matter in your world could you share with me the categories that do? Just spit balling but how does this make you feel, "they constantly talk about MY KID being shot....."

Consciously changing one's referential frame often enables one to gain empathy for a group they do not identify with. I highly recommend it.

 

[jtprin]

The evidence is overwhelming in favor of vaccination. And you are immediately doing it again, making statements that it is NEVER healthy to inject a neurotoxin (by which you are referring to formaldehyde) followed by some fact sheets. I made a bunch of posts explaining why that is a fallacy, and I even quoted them all again in this thread. Did you even read them? How do you refute my statements? You are so god damn concerned with "facts" that you don't even stop to consider the context. The amount of formaldehyde in a vaccine is LESS than the amount that is naturally occurring in your body right now. It is also less than is naturally occurring in an apple. Not some GMO radioactive apple. A normal organic apple has more formaldehyde than a vaccine.

More deaths are attributed to water than to formaldehyde. Does it follow logically that it is NEVER ok to put water into your body? No it's utter nonsense and you can immediately see why it is.

How the hell would you know how much formaldehyde is put into the vaccines? Because the people administering and profiting off them told you so? Besides, ingesting isn't the same thing as injecting. Again, just because you're close-minded and automatically reject anything from naturalnews doesn't disprove the factual information they publish. They're not perfect and have made mistakes in the past, but who hasn't?

And I'll ask this question again, what do you have to say about the mercury, MSG, and aluminum? And where is the evidence that vaccines have eradicated ANY diseases? Take polio for example... http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html. Vaccines did not save us or extend our lifespan... cleaner water, better hygiene, easier access to food, technological advancements, better living conditions, etc. are why we live longer. Of course the pharmaceutical industry is going to claim they're safe and recommend everyone get them... they make HUGE PROFITS off vaccines.

http://genesgreenbook.com/content/proof-vaccines-didnt-save-us
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm

Why do people who have been vaccinated still get diseases?

Edit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/7400043/Whooping-cough-vaccine-ineffective-study

Why has over $2 billion been awarded to vaccine victims by the federal government?

 

[jtprin]

So if the life of a black kid doesn't matter in your world could you share with me the categories that do? Just spit balling but how does this make you feel, "they constantly talk about MY KID being shot....."

Consciously changing one's referential frame often enables one to gain empathy for a group they do not identify with. I highly recommend it.

It's not that his life is unimportant, it's that the world doesn't need to constantly be updated on every little detail of the case. Situations like this happen every single day across the world, people only care about the Trayvon Martin situation because it's on their T.V. What about the innocent people who die everyday due to war, genocide, and poverty? How about the billions of animals that are slaughtered each year? Or the honeybees that are dying by the millions?

 

[UncleBuck]

More deaths are attributed to water than to formaldehyde. Does it follow logically that it is NEVER ok to put water into your body?

one time, i tried not putting water in my body.

i died.

 

[guy incognito]

How the hell would you know how much formaldehyde is put into the vaccines?

From the FDA.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm093833.htm
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t3

Because the people administering and profiting off them told you so?

The stuff physically exists. It's not secret why the formaldehyde is there or how much. This sentence demonstrates why I think you are a conspiracy theorist.

Besides, ingesting isn't the same thing as injecting.

Read this:
http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2012/04/demystifying-vaccine-ingredients.html

Again, just because you're close-minded and automatically reject anything from naturalnews doesn't disprove the factual information they publish. They're not perfect and have made mistakes in the past, but who hasn't?

I have given them plenty of chances. Once I fully check into their sources and check out the data for myself I come to a different interpretation. There is making mistakes and there is being disingenuous. Naturalnews does both.

And I'll ask this question again, what do you have to say about the mercury, MSG, and aluminum? And where is the evidence that vaccines have eradicated ANY diseases? Take polio for example... http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html. Vaccines did not save us or extend our lifespan... cleaner water, better hygiene, easier access to food, technological advancements, better living conditions, etc. are why we live longer. Of course the pharmaceutical industry is going to claim they're safe and recommend everyone get them... they make HUGE PROFITS off vaccines.

http://genesgreenbook.com/content/proof-vaccines-didnt-save-us
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm

Why do people who have been vaccinated still get diseases?

Edit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/7400043/Whooping-cough-vaccine-ineffective-study

Why has over $2 billion been awarded to vaccine victims by the federal government?

I don't have time to fully address the rest of this tonight. I will respond in a day or two.

 

[jtprin]

The FDA also claims that diet has no impact on disease prevention. "The disclaimer must also state that this product is not intended to "diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease," because only a drug can legally make such a claim" (http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/#validates) They are openly telling the public that their drugs are the only way to treat, cure, or prevent disease. You honestly believe the FDA?... the one's who profit from big pharma and all their pharmaceuticals/vaccines... COME ON, MAN!

As far as formaldehyde goes, even if we assume the levels are 100% completely safe, how is it safe and healthy to inject myself with mercury, MSG, and aluminum? That $2 billion the federal government has had to give to vaccine victims speaks louder than their bullshit propaganda.