PJ Diaz
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So you believe "normal" levels of corn syrup are not worse for your health than normal levels of water. Might wanna double check on that one real quick buddy.
Your thoughts on genetically modified Food ?
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guy incognito
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You do realize formaldehyde is a naturally occurring chemical right? It is the simplest aldehyde, CH2O. There is more naturally occurring formaldehyde in an apple than there is in a vaccine. Also you have more naturally occurring formaldehyde in your body right now than there is in a vaccine. Next thing you know they will be shoving dihydrogen monoxide down our throats! it's scary because it's chemically sounding.
PJ Diaz
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I have no idea really, but just because it's natural occurring does that mean it's safe to inject? Also, just because it's naturally occurring doesn't mean that they don't also make a synthetic version which they may be more likely to use. There is a big different between naturally occurring and synthetically made versions of the like. Things like synthetic THC come to mind..
1.) I never said formaldehyde wasn't a naturally occurring chemical.
2.) Formaldehyde that naturally occurs is in benign amounts.
3.) Even the government admits its dangers - http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=03C9AF75-E1BF-FF40-DBA9EC0928DF8B15
cannawizard
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My aunt was prescribe by her doctor with that synthetic THC stuff.. she told me its really not helping her with cancer, told her just to stick with the ol' natural stuff from the cannabis clubs~
Uncle Ben
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Just curious, how much is your aunt allowing herself to be ripped off? IOW, what do those shysters charge for their "medicine"?
Apomixis
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GMOs, not nature. Nature dont give a FUCK. That's why I love it. Especially weeds. Roundup resistant lambsquarters.... Bad ass.
Uncle Ben
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Haven't seen too many Christians lately beheading others on world television who don't share their beliefs....or blowing up innocents in markets....or blowing up trains or buses......or shooting little girls in the head who dare speak up for the right of ALL to get an education.....or putting a death threat on the head of a cartoonist or.........
You look at video of those mob crazed Islamic ragheads....they're fuckin' nuts!
Apomixis
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Sorry man, been a minute since I checked on this thread...
I don't have a problem with the compound, just its overuse. It's too easy to go a spritz shit, we are already seeing resistance. If we want proper weed control, we need to think about it more holistically, we should use multiple tactics, and at different times. Weed suppression tactics are already starting to shift this way in lots of commercial production fields, but IWM should be common knowledge, not just some elitist university shit. That's all
Uncle Ben
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Lambsquarters are no match for me and my secret glyphosate brew!
cannawizard
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Not sure, i'm assuming that her health insurance is paying for it --since she is at stage4, they are probably covering the costs thinking she doesnt have much longer.. I'm 100% behind you on that sentiment, synthetic THC is pure snake-oil, the patients probably have better luck "praying"..
Uncle Ben
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I speak from experience, no "elitist university shit" here. Couple of days ago I put down at least 40 gallons of glyphosate spray using a hand held, low volume wand/tip. (Yes, my wrist and arm felt like it was gonna fall off) To give you a feel of what that means, it means I carefully sprayed a 24" swath amongst good, non resistant, plant material down a total of 65 rows, about 11,000' of row. I hit the fence line too with a 8" swath which is another 4,200'. When I mix up a batch I also hit around my landscape, fruit, nut, trees, my grapevines and included are some of the toughest thistle you've dealt with - Canadian thistle aka Russian thistle. I also know other commercial growers who use glyphosate aka Round-Up, and no one has noted any resistance. I've been using it for 30 years as a home owner and commercially for 8+ years in a very wild, raw rural setting that has so many perennial and annual weeds it'll make your head swim. There have been no health or environmental issues noted.Sorry man, been a minute since I checked on this thread...
I don't have a problem with the compound, just its overuse. It's too easy to go a spritz shit, we are already seeing resistance. If we want proper weed control, we need to think about it more holistically, we should use multiple tactics, and at different times. Weed suppression tactics are already starting to shift this way in lots of commercial production fields, but IWM should be common knowledge, not just some elitist university shit. That's all
FWIW, this is bullet proof method using common, generic 42% glyphosate which you can buy at any feed store or nursery. 1 oz/gal. for grasses, 2 oz/gal. for tough weeds like thistles. To kick up the burn, you add a tsp of ammonium sulfate and some surfactant to your spray.
Regarding multiple tactics, I have an epidemic of sand burs aka grass burs. So I used a pre-emergent down my aisles a month ago. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. You don't want to mess with sand burs, they hurt!
Now.....the "natural" organic purists swear by vinegar which is lame. It is not translocated throughout the plant which means you don't get a permanent kill and its vapors can be deadly to your lung tissue. And did I mention it's expensive?
Uncle Ben
Winter Woman
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Let's not blame only the Christians. A little bit of history goes a long way. Don't want to make you mad or upset I just think there is enough of this to spread the blame all the way around.
The Timeline
630 Two years before Muhammad's death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting 'agreements' from northern tribes. They could enjoy the 'privilege' of living under Islamic 'protection' (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).
This tax sets the stage for Muhammad's and the later Caliphs' policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.
632634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.
633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid alWalid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 161617), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today's Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 203435).
634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid alWalid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: 'The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.' To this Khalid retorts: 'How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many' (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: '[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists' (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem's; the second mine).
634644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn alKhattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.
635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus
636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.
637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of alQadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)
638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.
638650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.
639642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.
641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.
643707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.
644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.
644650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.
656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, soninlaw and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet's daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.
656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad's wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's partisans win.
657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali
661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali's supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.
661680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus
673678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire
680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad's grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.
691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad's death.
705 Abd alMalik restores Umayyad rule.
710713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.
711713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.
719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor
732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance
749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids
756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids
762 Foundation of Baghdad
785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova
789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.
800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia
807 Caliph Harun alRashid orders the destruction of nonMuslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem
809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy
813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country
831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy
850 Caliph alMatawakkil orders the destruction of nonMuslim houses of prayer
855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)
837901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France
869883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq
909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia
928969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969)
937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places
937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked
960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam
966 AntiChristian riots in Jerusalem
969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo
c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East
973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids
1003 First persecutions by alHakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed
1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by alHakim (see 937)
1012 Beginning of alHakim's oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians
1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses
1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus
1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed
1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.
1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate
1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection
1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia
1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine
1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)
1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia
1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana
1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies
1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca
10901091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands
1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970
1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099
So it is only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions that Western Christendom launches its first Crusades.
Winter Woman
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The USA did not go to war in the Middle East because of the Christian religion. We went to war because they were targeting our people and our nation and still are. How soon we forget 9/11.
And since we wandered off topic. This helps explains things even better.
Though European Crusaders may have been sincere, they wandered off from the origins of Christianity when they slashed and burned and forced conversions. Jesus never used violence; neither did he call his disciples to use it. Given this historical fact, it is only natural that the New Testament would never endorse violence to spread the word of the true God. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Jesus.
In contrast, Muslims who slashed and burned and forced conversions did not wander off from the origins of Islam, but followed it closely. It is a plain and unpleasant historical fact that in the ten years that Muhammad lived in Medina (622—632), he either sent out or went out on seventy—four raids, expeditions, or full—scale wars, which range from small assassination hit squads to the Tabuk Crusade, described above (see 630). Sometimes the expeditions did not result in violence, but a Muslim army always lurked in the background. Muhammad could exact a terrible vengeance on an individual or tribe that double—crossed him. These ten years did not know long stretches of peace.
It is only natural that the Quran would be filled with references to jihad and qital, the latter word meaning only fighting, killing, warring, and slaughtering. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Muhammad. And after.
But this means that the Church had to fight back or be swallowed up by an aggressive religion over the centuries. Thus, the Church did not go out and conquer in a mindless, bloodthirsty, and irrational way—though the Christian Crusades were far from perfect.
Islam was the aggressor in its own Crusades, long before the Europeans responded with their own.
And since we wandered off topic. This helps explains things even better.
Though European Crusaders may have been sincere, they wandered off from the origins of Christianity when they slashed and burned and forced conversions. Jesus never used violence; neither did he call his disciples to use it. Given this historical fact, it is only natural that the New Testament would never endorse violence to spread the word of the true God. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Jesus.
In contrast, Muslims who slashed and burned and forced conversions did not wander off from the origins of Islam, but followed it closely. It is a plain and unpleasant historical fact that in the ten years that Muhammad lived in Medina (622—632), he either sent out or went out on seventy—four raids, expeditions, or full—scale wars, which range from small assassination hit squads to the Tabuk Crusade, described above (see 630). Sometimes the expeditions did not result in violence, but a Muslim army always lurked in the background. Muhammad could exact a terrible vengeance on an individual or tribe that double—crossed him. These ten years did not know long stretches of peace.
It is only natural that the Quran would be filled with references to jihad and qital, the latter word meaning only fighting, killing, warring, and slaughtering. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Muhammad. And after.
But this means that the Church had to fight back or be swallowed up by an aggressive religion over the centuries. Thus, the Church did not go out and conquer in a mindless, bloodthirsty, and irrational way—though the Christian Crusades were far from perfect.
Islam was the aggressor in its own Crusades, long before the Europeans responded with their own.
PJ Diaz
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That was my point exactly. Not everything that occurs naturally is the same experience in synthetic form. It's apples to oranges. Synthetic vs natural DMT is another substance in the same boat.
Apomixis
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I live in PA, where we see glyphosate resistant lambsquarters, amaranth, and velvetleaf. They don't thrive, but they do stick around. If one or two of these manage to avoid the till, they could easily spread that trait around, and that's a real danger.
Managing spray times, herbicide composition/MOA, and doubling down with good cultivation practices... They won't be able to keep up. Sounds like you're having success, but consider mixing up MOA. Don't let those weeds catch on to your game. Watch out for those little guys that hang around after application... One seasons worth of seed production is all it takes, you knew that.
And BTW, if you see any of your thistle bleaching by flower time, I'm thinking of Canadian thistle here, we've found it to be infected with Psuedomonas. Blend an infected plant up and apply that mess to non infected plants. Weed suppression, au naturel!
EDIT: I wouldn't mix you up with University people... You're a bit too honest. You will never hear a professor say anything concrete, statistics prevents them from doing so. Scientists...
Trousers
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Calling people brainwashed when there is nothing to back up your opinion besides blogs and burn outs is stupid, rude and ironic. Who brainwashed you?
Your argument does not sound rational because you are a condescending asshole not in possession of facts.
The government is not the one doing the studies. Do you even know what a peer reviewed study is?
What you are doing is stupidly and blindly believing junk science and then being a rude douche about it.
I also choose not to watch reality tv shows, because they are not real.
Uncle Ben
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Either the glyphosate is not being properly applied (timing, amounts, temps) or they're using the wrong herbicide. I guarantee you they would not survive even 2,4-D which is pretty benign for a broad leaf herbicide. I can spray thistle or nightshade with 2,4-D and the next day those flower heads are tits up. There are hundreds more, like picloram that will not only kill your wimpy Philly weeds, but tough stuff like mesquite, locust, prickly pear, etc.
Believe whatever garbage you want to believe and go out and eat as many GMO's as you'd like. When this is common knowledge in a couple of years, can't claim you weren't warned. There's a reason Monsanto refuses to allow testing on their GMO's... they're toxic. By the way, the head of the FDA is a former Monsanto executive.