Stand Up To Stand Your Ground

[kelly4]

Buck will just sit inside his gated white housing with his shades drawn.

Nope! UB sleeps with his plants in constant fear of middle schoolers jacking his forest.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

balanced budget? balanced budget? um, those would have been the clinton years..ftw

Except you can thank Newt and the Repubs for FORCING Clinton to do that which he railed against. If you don't know that as fact, you were a child in the early 90's or you watch WAY too much MSNBC. Clinton deserves nothing beyond an honorable mention for his role in signing EVERYTHING the Repubs wanted into effect. That period of economic success directly reflects what happens when a Democratic President CAVES to a Republican Congress.

You can thank the progressive Bush and the DEMOCRATIC Congress for fucking up that temporary illusion.

FTW...laughable.

 

[ricky1lung]

I hate to interrupt.....

I think it is fair game because acquitted or not it did happen. It is still fresh in everyone's mind and people seem fairly divided on the SYG laws so
what better time to open the dialogue.

It is a shady way for the organization to go about the PSA but it seems to be successful so far because people are talking about it.

Now back to the regular programing.....................

 

[schuylaar]

Then make it a club. My club will only allow blue eyes.

in case you haven't noticed..minorities' eyes are not just brown..

 

[schuylaar]

What is your opinion on "no shirt, no shoes, no service"?

i'm good with it..that can apply to anyone, because anyone can remedy so in essence, it's non-discriminatory..you can't change the color of your skin though.

 

[schuylaar]

I hate to interrupt.....

I think it is fair game because acquitted or not it did happen. It is still fresh in everyone's mind and people seem fairly divided on the SYG laws so
what better time to open the dialogue.

It is a shady way for the organization to go about the PSA but it seems to be successful so far because people are talking about it.

Now back to the regular programing.....................

thank you for humoring me..my question now is..isn't it violation of someone's (private citizen) civil rights to be represented in a negative manner when found innocent? zimmy is a private citizen who became public as compared to OJ who was always a public figure..

 

[schuylaar]

Except you can thank Newt and the Repubs for FORCING Clinton to do that which he railed against. If you don't know that as fact, you were a child in the early 90's or you watch WAY too much MSNBC. Clinton deserves nothing beyond an honorable mention for his role in signing EVERYTHING the Repubs wanted into effect. That period of economic success directly reflects what happens when a Democratic President CAVES to a Republican Congress.

You can thank the progressive Bush and the DEMOCRATIC Congress for fucking up that temporary illusion.

FTW...laughable.

newt?yeah because that government shutdown worked so well..

 

[ricky1lung]

thank you for humoring me..my question now is..isn't it violation of someone's (private citizen) civil rights to be represented in a negative manner when found innocent? zimmy is a private citizen who became public as compared to OJ who was always a public figure..

Yeah, that's why I find it shady and wouldn't really be surprised if Zimm tried to file suit. I think the catch is that the 911 calls were made
public and although it is clearly a portrayal of that particular incident they stop just short of identifying Zimmerman. They played the tape just long
enough for him to say his name is George.

 

[karousing]

maybe all gun licencing should require psychological testing and courses in de-escalation, psychology, human thinking patterns.

 

[schuylaar]

Yeah, that's why I find it shady and wouldn't really be surprised if Zimm tried to file suit. I think the catch is that the 911 calls were made
public and although it is clearly a portrayal of that particular incident they stop just short of identifying Zimmerman. They played the tape just long
enough for him to say his name is George.

i find it pretty fascinating..it would be great to have a discussion about.

 

[H R Puff N Stuff]

ya maybe we should all arm ourselves go where we are not wanted wait for some jerky boy or girl to harrass us then shoot them and say i am standing my ground.thin out the herd (sarcasm).this stand your ground law is stupid we already have self defense isnt that enough?

 

[ginwilly]

I agree HR.

Then I read that a few states have laws that you MUST retreat. Although that is the course of action I, and many more, would take, I'd rather not leave it up to a jury to decide if I had that capacity or not after the fact. Seems just as silly.

 

[desert dude]

maybe all gun licencing should require psychological testing and courses in de-escalation, psychology, human thinking patterns.

And Tetanus shots, let's not forget those.

 

[desert dude]

ya maybe we should all arm ourselves go where we are not wanted wait for some jerky boy or girl to harrass us then shoot them and say i am standing my ground.thin out the herd (sarcasm).this stand your ground law is stupid we already have self defense isnt that enough?

So, just relinquish the streets and all the public places to the thugs? Put the full weight of the law on joe tax payer, and shield the thugs?

If you are set upon by ruffians while taking your dog for a walk in the park, why should you be required to retreat?Granted, retreat might be the best course of action and probably would be what almost all would choose to do if they are able, but what purpose is served by putting a victim of violence at criminal, or civil legal risk for being attacked? If you are attacked by a mugger and beaten, stabbed, or shot, should you be on the hook for civil liabilities to the mugger's family if he happens to be mortally wounded in the process. Personally, I like the SYG laws. It puts the full onus on the criminal, exactly where it should be. If you are attacked by a mugger and beaten, stabbed, or shot, should you be on the hook for civil liabilities to the mugger's family if he happens to be mortally wounded in the process.

Remember Bernhard Goetz in New York? The family of one of his four attackers sued Goetz into poverty because the mugger was made a paraplegic from a gunshot wound he received while he committed armed robbery. Now THAT is "stupid".

I am interested in what you, or anybody else, finds "stupid" about this law? Feel free to point out the stupidity, or the unfairness.

• It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.

• In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
  
  
• In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
  

• If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/florida-self-defense-law.htm

 

[TheSnake]

The more I trouble myself with news, The more paranoid I become. How do people like alex jones get through the day without swallowing a bullet, knowing everything a person can know in a short time of digging, The further you dig, the worse this world really becomes. Just in the time of one year (years ago) watching videos, reading, and researching, I found myself in the worst depression I could imagine, just shy of suicidal. I just came to realize, That I'm glad that im a mortal, and my stay on this rock is not permanent. If we had to deal with life on earth indefinitely, well... That would be my version of hell.

 

[H R Puff N Stuff]

it should be equal or less force.not you scare me so im gonna shoot you.

 

[cannabineer]

i'm good with it..that can apply to anyone, because anyone can remedy so in essence, it's non-discriminatory..you can't change the color of your skin though.

Got it. I miscued on the "being human is enough" thing. Behavior and presentability are usually choices. I excuse Touretters from that ...

 

[desert dude]

it should be equal or less force.not you scare me so im gonna shoot you.

"deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself"

No SYG law grants you the right to kill another person arbitrarily. If you go out and shoot somebody and claim "he scared me, so I shot him" then you will wind up in prison, exactly as you should.

Do you know what "reasonably believes" means? I am not being a dick here. The term has a legal meaning.

 

[desert dude]

Got it. I miscued on the "being human is enough" thing. Behavior and presentability are usually choices. I excuse Touretters from that ...

Welcome back, CN. I have missed you.

 

[H R Puff N Stuff]

i would think that fleeing the situation if possible would encompass that reasonable part so if you can avoid the situation and you shoot and kill then you were not being reasonable.we are talking about killing somone not an ass whoopin stand your ground all day if you are going to go toe to toe not use a deadly weapon if you are you should have exhausted all other options including leaving .leaving a dangerous situation sounds reasonable to me. now if you flee and they perseu then shooting them may be your only option but it should be your ONLY option not one of many but i choose to use the lethal one.