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Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
Yeah I would say after this past decade Conservatives are stupid
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You're the dolt that put up a graph showing EVERY major news outlet reported that Obamacare was hurting job growth. You disprove your own claims and then call others stupid?
 
Jimdamick

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tokeprep said:
Obamacare is discouraging job creation, and that's inevitable fact. Create more than 50 and you're fucked.
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That argument is horse shit (nothing personal). If an employer needs to hire someone for their business to grow, they hire someone, Obamacare or not. If they don't hire, the business stay's locked in place and there will be no increased profit. so they hire and pass the cost on to the consumer. That's the way it has been forever, and always will be. Although the Republicans love to roll out that job killing crap anytime they choose, it just isn't true.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
UHMMM oK maybe this is recent enough for you http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/09/25/wal-mart-returning-to-full-time-workers-obamacare-not-such-a-job-killer-after-all/2/ 9/25/2013 @ 9:45AM |207,974 views [h=1]Wal-Mart Returning To Full-Time Workers-Obamacare Not Such A Job Killer After All?[/h]
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Copy and post from the same article contradicting the headline................"The company now hires people to work with its employees to help them sign up for Medicaid, the government program that makes healthcare available to Americans who neither get coverage at work or are able to afford it without public assistance. What that means is that you and I are subsidizing Wal-Mart’s poor treatment of its employees as we pay for their workers health care coverage with our tax dollars and all so Wal-Mart can feather and mask its sinking profits by allowing you and I to pay to pay for their responsibilities, whether we shop at Wal-Mart or not." Perhaps you should read beyond the part that tells you what you want to believe and get the whole story.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
yes all news is a lie unless it comes from Fox ok got it
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Your preferred sources are reporting the same news. So are they all lying? Even MSNBC? Pretending only Fox is reporting it while posting proof everyone is shows you DON'T got it.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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tokeprep said:
Your article says that Walmart is making 35,000 part time employees into full time employees. I can't find a reliable number, but the estimates are that Walmart's work force was 20-40% part time. They employ 2.2 million people, meaning 440,000-880,000 of the employees are part time. Why are you so willing to fall for a corporate marketing department's bullshit? They announce they're going to make a tiny portion of their workforce into full time workers and you tout it as evidence that Obamacare isn't going to mean more people are forced to work part time.
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He's so willing because he wants to believe it. Ideologues ignore the majority of facts and concentrate on minutia they can twist into what they want to believe, no matter how obtuse or irrelevant, because they can't admit even to themselves that they're either wrong or dishonest.
 
PlantManBee

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Seriously if you can't sift and parse enough to realize Fox news is completely biased there isn't much hope for you.... Obama care or not.

carry on idiots :P
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Jimdamick said:
That argument is horse shit (nothing personal). If an employer needs to hire someone for their business to grow, they hire someone, Obamacare or not. If they don't hire, the business stay's locked in place and there will be no increased profit. so they hire and pass the cost on to the consumer. That's the way it has been forever, and always will be. Although the Republicans love to roll out that job killing crap anytime they choose, it just isn't true.
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True, but not if it costs them more to hire one full time worker than it does to hire two part time workers. If they don't, their competition will undercut them and they lose the business. You really should think things through before you spout off. The only businesses that will accept the increased costs are those that have trouble getting enough qualified employees. And government institutions that don't have to show a profit or whose executive officers are paid based on the number of employees they have under them. At least until their funding gets cut. Eliminating my job entails losing the grant earmarked for my salary, so I'm pretty safe. They hired and fired 8 people for my position before I got the job. It's not likely they can easily replace me.
 
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Jimdamick said:
That argument is horse shit (nothing personal). If an employer needs to hire someone for their business to grow, they hire someone, Obamacare or not. If they don't hire, the business stay's locked in place and there will be no increased profit. so they hire and pass the cost on to the consumer. That's the way it has been forever, and always will be. Although the Republicans love to roll out that job killing crap anytime they choose, it just isn't true.
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I don't think you're connecting all the dots. We're not talking about just paying for the 50th employee's health insurance, we're talking about existing employees too. An employer's present costs plus the added costs that would result from hiring a 50th employee might not justify adding the employee, even if doing so would increase revenue.

We can work the math out. Let's say I have 49 employees and want to hire a 50th. If I do that, I trigger the employer mandate. Let's presume that I choose to pay the fee rather than buying insurance for my employees (which is probably more expensive). The fee would be $40,000, which means the 50th employee has to add $40,000 in revenue, plus whatever they're earning, plus some degree of profit for the business. You can spread it out to two, three, four, five, or more employees if you'd like, but for most businesses that added cost would be prohibitive.

I agree with your observation, of course. The prospect of this additional tax is going to leave a lot of small businesses "locked in place." Hiring more than fifty employees will now come with considerable risk, because you'll be on the hook for the tax as long as you've got them even if the expansion doesn't work out. A lot of owners and managers aren't going to be willing to take this risk.

Your suggestion that the cost is just going to be passed along to the consumer is wrong because this isn't like an excise tax on cigarettes or alcohol. For example, let's say that there are two restaurants: one hires a 50th employee and passes $75,000 in costs along to is customers while the other stays at 49 employees and keeps its prices the same. All things equal, the second restaurant is now going to do more business because it has lower prices.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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PlantManBee said:
Seriously if you can't sift and parse enough to realize Fox news is completely biased there isn't much hope for you.... Obama care or not. carry on idiots :P
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True, Fox news is biased, but every major news outlet is reporting the same loss in job growth, as Cheezy so inadvertently proved. Even MSNBC. Are you going to claim every news outlet is biased against Obama and his ilk? Who's the idiot?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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As Cheezy and his cadre of Obamaphiles have proven themselves wrong on every level, embarrassing themselves into silence, my job has been done for me.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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PlantManBee said:
1. no they are repeating statistics, fox on the other hand treats it as propaganda 2. I'll let the readers decide
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So you're claiming it's false when Fox reports it, but correct when others report it? I swear, you guys can really delude yourselves.
 
PlantManBee

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Red1966 said:
So you're claiming it's false when Fox reports it, but correct when others report it? I swear, you guys can really delude yourselves.
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I guess you don't know, or are pretending not to know how propaganda works. fox just misrepresents every facet of every story to their own ends is all. if that's what makes you feel better keep on buying it. it's your choice and at the end of the day you'll still be holding the same bag of shit whether you call it guano or not.
 
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ChesusRice

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PlantManBee said:
I guess you don't know, or are pretending not to know how propaganda works. fox just misrepresents every facet of every story to their own ends is all. if that's what makes you feel better keep on buying it. it's your choice and at the end of the day you'll still be holding the same bag of shit whether you call it guano or not.
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Sadly they do know What Fox does

But they rationalize it as being OK as long as it goes against the Black man we elected president
Truth be damned
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
Sadly they do know What Fox does But they rationalize it as being OK as long as it goes against the Black man we elected president Truth be damned
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So you've gone from "My position is right because blah, blah, blah" to "Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist". Must be hell being such a loser.
 
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ChesusRice

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Red1966 said:
So you've gone from "My position is right because blah, blah, blah" to "Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist". Must be hell being such a loser.
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Lots of things to be unhappy with Obama about

You dont ever list any. And if you want to not be labeled a racist

Stop acting like one
 
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