another referendum on obamacare: obamacare wins YET AGAIN

[beenthere]

winter "woman" is still trying to spin this, saying it was only close because of obamacare.



they simply can't face the reality. 2012 was a direct referendum on obamacare, obamacare won in a massive electoral landslide.

and now this year, cuccinellie and rubio say, and i quote:

"Tomorrow in Virginia is a referendum on Obamacare," Cuccinelli said. "Let's send a message and say 'no' tomorrow to Obamacare."

"This is the first election in America since the full impact of Obamacare has been felt," Rubio, R-Fla., said. "This is the first chance that people in America have to speak clearly at the ballot box about the impact this law is having on their lives and our economy."

and they lose this referendum on obamacare as well!

47% of all voters support obamacare.

moderates (the people who don't buy into the shrill, sky is falling, chain email nonsense brought by the likes of winter "woman") voted for the obamacare guy by a whopping 28% margin, nearly 2 to 1 for obamacare!*

58% of moderates supported the obamacare guy, only 30% of moderates did not.

that is a massive hurdle to overcome, and their chicken little bullshit spam ain't gonna help them any.

too funny.

Buckie, you're the one spinning this one.

Claiming the democrat victory on Obamacare is nothing but an opinion and the same goes for the right spinning it the other way around, the fact is, no one will ever know, it's just a five hour energy spin high for both sides.

The most important factor in this election, you continue to ignore is Virgina is home to most of the DC working class and government employees.
Big advantage for the democrat.

And when Obama won reelection, national polls showed that the majority of Americans disapproved of Obamacare, look it up if you don't believe me.

IMO, Obama won because of his personal favorability was still high and Romney's was not. For most voters it was a choice between two evils, they went with the guy they could have a beer with.

Just thought you'd like to know.

 

[UncleBuck]

Buckie, you're the one spinning this one.

no, i'm not.

it was rubio and cuccinelli who called this election a referendum on obamacare, not me.

and according to their own words, obamacare won, and by especially HUGE margins, especially among moderates like myself.

 

[schuylaar]

See, the problem is that in reality, 47 percent of virginians support their notion of what obamacare is. We are finding that even the most informed on this issue (namely me, I believe, the only one here who actually read the bill- not the law mind you), is still incapable of understanding not only the ramifications of this law realized, but the particulars as it applies to actual folk it affects. I don't believe that any of us are capable of comprehending the outcome of this thing. Now the difference between you and I, and the naysayers is that we believe that over the long haul, it will be seen as a small but very valuable step in dealing with our health care funding problems.


Hope so anyway. See, i can take the stand I take because at long last I am catching a break. In particular, I will save several hundred dollars a month in premiums but I will double my potential out of pocket. Frankly no one in his right mind would, at my age, purchase a policy that leaves me responsible for about 12,000 bucks before my plan kicks in to pay 80 percent of the rest. I always figured it was worth it to, if at all possible, limit my liabilty to 5k. I can handle a 5k hit, even a 5 k hit a year. But if I manage to put that premium savings into an acccount and hang on to it, then it won't be very long till I can handle a 12k hit while still making some spare change in interest.

Now if I could work a medical savings arrangement (without the forefieture every year) I would be even happier.

This is why I just can't bring myself to be very upset about some 90k earning family of two bitching about a 200 percent increase in their formerly $120 dollar plan. If they are seeing the long term, the limit to premium increases, their abilty to change plans on a whim, their assured ability to stay in the program even if they get sick, their now lack of lifetime, or yearly limit of liability, then they would be rejoycing. Instead they are looking at a stupidly narrow view of what they now are being offered.

Sorry, but I can't weep for even those who "liked their policy", nor even those who will have to find another doctor. In short, tough shit, there are other doctors, possibly one you like even more.

have you considered an HSA?..i believe that is what you are looking for..the money accumulates and is always yours.

 

[canndo]

have you considered an HSA?..i believe that is what you are looking for..the money accumulates and is always yours.

I do not believe it is offered to individuals.

 

[Doer]

I do not believe it is offered to individuals.

Nope...good guess.

Part III
Administrative, Procedural, and Miscellaneous
26 CFR 601.602: Tax forms and instructions.
(Also: Part 1, §§ 1, 223.)
Rev. Proc. 2013-25
SECTION 1. PURPOSE
This revenue procedure provides the 2014 inflation adjusted amounts for Health Savings Accounts (HSAs)
as determined under § 223 of the Internal Revenue Code.

SECTION 2. 2014 INFLATION ADJUSTED ITEMS
Annual contribution limitation. For calendar year 2014, the annual limitation on deductions under § 223(b)(2)(A) for an individual with self-only coverage under a high deductible health plan is $3,300. For calendar year 2014, the annual limitation on
deductions under § 223(b)(2)(B) for an individual with family coverage under a high deductible health plan is $6,550.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-13-25.pdf

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/taxes/pages/health-savings-accounts.aspx

 

[Winter Woman]

have you considered an HSA?..i believe that is what you are looking for..the money accumulates and is always yours.

But you have to use it by the end of each year.

 

[Winter Woman]

Are you covered when you travel within the USA and what about outside the USA?

 

[beenthere]

let me know if the site admin comes by to give you any more spankings.

Site administrator, shmite administrator, he's just another far left progressive to me pal.
His opinion means nothing more to me than Cheezy's or yours.

 

[see4]

Are you covered when you travel within the USA and what about outside the USA?

When have you ever been covered by insurance when outside the United States? Obamacare or otherwise? I know I haven't been covered when I go to Brazil, Aruba, Spain, France, Bahamas, Jamaica and Canada when I visit those places. I paid out of pocket twice. Once in Bahamas when I busted my ear drum while scuba diving, and the other time in Florianopolis, Brazil when I cut my leg while dune surfing.

 

[greenlikemoney]

Well, lets get it right, ok ? Just because Fairfax County, Richmond, Hamption Roads and Roanoke are full of welfare rats, does not mean the Virginia Governors race was about Obamacare. Many more rats in the urban areas than in the rural areas. That's because out there, most people work for a living instead of voting for a living.

 

[beenthere]

especially among moderates like myself.

Thought this little gem would slip by did ya.

 

[schuylaar]

Site administrator, shmite administrator, he's just another far left progressive to me pal.
His opinion means nothing more to me than Cheezy's or yours.

really? you're talking about rollie, right?..nothing?..with that kind of attitude, won't be long before you're a "stain" in the forum..old and forgotten.

 

[see4]

Well, lets get it right, ok ? Just because Fairfax County, Richmond, Hamption Roads and Roanoke are full of welfare rats, does not mean the Virginia Governors race was about Obamacare. Many more rats in the urban areas than in the rural areas. That's because out there, most people work for a living instead of voting for a living.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think you may be completely racist. Referring to urban welfare recipients as rats.

 

[canndo]

I just can't see voting for a particular politician, who has positions on a number of different policies being a referendum on a single one.


If I encountered a candidate who believed in the legalizaton of pot but also wanted a strong stop and frisk policy, the reversal of Roe, voter ID, and reduction of taxes on the super rich. I wouldn't be able to vote for him. That doesn't mean I don't want legal pot.

 

[Doer]

I just can't see voting for a particular politician, who has positions on a number of different policies being a referendum on a single one.


If I encountered a candidate who believed in the legalizaton of pot but also wanted a strong stop and frisk policy, the reversal of Roe, voter ID, and reduction of taxes on the super rich. I wouldn't be able to vote for him. That doesn't mean I don't want legal pot.

See? They can't just call it Bait and Switch. So they call it Politics. All right minded call it, Lying for a Living.

 

[desert dude]

And he could have won if he was not against BJs. Who in their right mind would think that is a good idea?

That is what is so funny. The PUBS screw themselves and the DEMS are sore and dangerous winners.

Yeah, you're right. The Republicans need to repudiate their culture war shit, i.e. become more libertarian. If they do that, and mean it, they will kick the Democrats asses nearly everywhere.

 

[Doer]

Just to report....I think I am in the correct thread.

ObamaTax has been berry, berry good to me....so far.

Same coverage, same cost as last year, I found out this week.

 

[desert dude]

really? you're talking about rollie, right?..nothing?..with that kind of attitude, won't be long before you're a "stain" in the forum..old and forgotten.

Stop being a submissive little women, Sky. There is no need to kiss anybody's ass on RIU or anywhere else. Sure, the site owner can ban anybody he wants and for any reason, but so what? I would guess we members are more valuable to him than he is to us. Unless he is dumb, he's not gonna ban anybody for their differing views.

 

[desert dude]

Just to report....I think I am the correct thread.

ObamaTax has been berry, berry good to me....so far.

Same coverage, same cost as last year, I found out this week.

You are on an empoyer's plan, right? Those plans won't be much affected by ACA. It is the people who buy their own insurance who are getting screwed.

Also, maybe I should remind you that Obama said the average family would see a $2,500 reduction in costs. Where is your $2,500 reduction? Where is mine? My plan went up 7%.

 

[canndo]

You are on an empoyer's plan, right? Those plans won't be much affected by ACA. It is the people who buy their own insurance who are getting screwed.

Also, maybe I should remind you that Obama said the average family would see a $2,500 reduction in costs. Where is your $2,500 reduction? Where is mine? My plan went up 7%.

Have you shopped?