JohnnyGreenfingers
Well-Known Member
I do smell what you were cooking.
Am I the only one that doesn't want weed to become legal?
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I do smell what you were cooking.
Do you SMELL-L-L-L-L.... *people's elbow*
ebgood
Well-Known Member
.........lofl!
You dropped your N dear
Let me fix that for you. Oh and I think you mean it's a mole, two taste treats in one eh?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
You had to dig for that oneYou dropped your N dear
6x10E23 birds = 1 Kakapo
[video=youtube;9T1vfsHYiKY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY[/video]
Man with bird on the head = your argument invalid!You had to dig for that one
6x10E23 birds = 1 Kakapo
[video=youtube;9T1vfsHYiKY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY[/video]
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
pwnt!
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to curious2garden again.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to curious2garden again.
Dboi87
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That may hold true in small circles. I'm sure most on this forum may feel like you just said. Also people in wealthier communities. But still, the masses, the majority, will opt for for less pricey more readily available "Wal-Mart/McDonalds" weed. At least I know that's what it would be like in the Chicago land area. There's specialty stores and farmers markets all around if you can afford it or care to make the effort. Still Wal-Mart runs shit. I can't see why cannabis would be the exception.
Like I said, You're very correct when it comes to folks like us who strive for the best pot. But my neighbors that buy 100$/oz brick weed won't spend the extra cash. We sometimes forget how many folks just want a quick cheap high/fix.
HeartlandHank
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It will still be worth it.. Those guys growing mediocre herb and making stupid money though... that will be gone.
Put it this way...After legalization... if you can't run a real business (non mj) you prbly won't be able to hang...
..fine with me..
Put it this way...After legalization... if you can't run a real business (non mj) you prbly won't be able to hang...
..fine with me..
HeartlandHank
Well-Known Member
If you're gonna make it in a lefit biz... youll prbly want to get these guys too..
I can produce buckets of outdoor high yielding, not elite plants.. why not?
Dboi87
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Smaller outfits can definitely profit. I never denied that. They can and will profit. Some may even be the next sam adams of pot. But again why would pot differ from tomatoes? Most farmers/cultivators profit or wouldn't continue to do it. But most of our produce is sold at super markets.
Quick thing to point out... marijuana is a commodity. The thing with commodities is that its open to any and every single person to produce and sell if they please. Unlike Coca-Cola or Nike, there is nothing proprietary about a commodity. No secret recipe or specific design. Anyone than can aquire the same genetics can offer the same product. No one will be looking for "Dboi's Sweet Tooth" when HeartlandHank can grow the same stuff if not better. Any new techniques or technology is spread across the board and profits don't go to the business owner. Instead capital is reinvested into the business to keep up with the times and in an attempt to keep up with competition business owners are forced to drop prices to a bare minimum. It's the same from fabric to corn to petroleum... one of the first lessons Mr.Warren Buffet (greatest business mind of our time) learned when first buying Berkshire Hathaway (at the time a fabric company)
Things will MAYBE be different for breeders. There's also the fact that there is so much variety out there so who knows.
I've been growing for only a few months. I've been studying business for years. Not saying I'm for sure right, but every experience, whether from reading or my own life, tells me that pot will go the way of sweet corn when we talk about the general public. Who grew the last batch of sweet corn we ate? Most have no clue...
I hope I'm wrong... I've fallen in love with our cannabis culture
MrMcFreely
Member
They are gunna be taxing the shit out of it in WA. The black market will live on for a long time to come.
Dboi87
Well-Known Member
Not to mention the very real taxation difference. Most smaller outfits will be under an LLC structure. Once the big boys get involved they for sure be under "corporation" tax laws allowing them to pay a significantly lower tax rate. All other factors identical, American big business still has an edge.
Dboi87
Well-Known Member
It will but prices for black market weed will never be as it is in an illegal market. Cali is proof. We get cali medicinal grade stuff through the mail over this way and pay less than two grand a pound.
Markets get flooded and the commodity factor again strikes.
tip top toker
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God forbid you'd actually have to become a competitive business.
You talk as if there are no shops other than walmart etc. You do know how many independant delicatessans, art shops, all kinds of shops that exist, selling for much higher prices than huge corporations. And you know what? they make profit, put food on their table. There are always people willing to pay that bit more for a better customer service, a more traceable product, a better product, a local product, supporting a local business. Need i go on?
Look at the size of some of the alcohol companies out there, yet somehow, counter to your argument, there are hundreds if not thousands of local micro-breweries who make do just fine financially.
In short growers who don't want it legal due to profit margins, they are the growers who can't be arsed to actually put there back into their job, who don't want to have to actually compete and work hard to make people buy their product. That's not how the business world generally works. The current market is fantastic for growers, it means any Tom Dick or Harry can earn money without having to know anything about running a real business. I guess the idea of actually having to know how to run a business scares a lot of growers.
You talk as if there are no shops other than walmart etc. You do know how many independant delicatessans, art shops, all kinds of shops that exist, selling for much higher prices than huge corporations. And you know what? they make profit, put food on their table. There are always people willing to pay that bit more for a better customer service, a more traceable product, a better product, a local product, supporting a local business. Need i go on?
Look at the size of some of the alcohol companies out there, yet somehow, counter to your argument, there are hundreds if not thousands of local micro-breweries who make do just fine financially.
In short growers who don't want it legal due to profit margins, they are the growers who can't be arsed to actually put there back into their job, who don't want to have to actually compete and work hard to make people buy their product. That's not how the business world generally works. The current market is fantastic for growers, it means any Tom Dick or Harry can earn money without having to know anything about running a real business. I guess the idea of actually having to know how to run a business scares a lot of growers.
Kontraband
Member
Thread turned into an argument, I've lost interest but will post a few thoughts.
The tax dollars to fund the war on drugs is way too draining. That affects all tax paying people as a whole.
The police are becoming too militarized, a lot of this is tied to the war on drugs. Not fair to all citizens and has helped erode our freedoms and Constitutional rights.
The jails and prisons are full of people with marijuana convictions. Too expensive for all tax payers.
There was a mention of layoffs. Layoffs are a background thought for all people that work full time and have careers. Layoffs are part of the paradigm when working for a living, everyone knows it can happen.
I think you're just being a little too selfish and not looking at the big picture.
The tax dollars to fund the war on drugs is way too draining. That affects all tax paying people as a whole.
The police are becoming too militarized, a lot of this is tied to the war on drugs. Not fair to all citizens and has helped erode our freedoms and Constitutional rights.
The jails and prisons are full of people with marijuana convictions. Too expensive for all tax payers.
There was a mention of layoffs. Layoffs are a background thought for all people that work full time and have careers. Layoffs are part of the paradigm when working for a living, everyone knows it can happen.
I think you're just being a little too selfish and not looking at the big picture.
HeartlandHank
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Lots of interesting stuff in there. I never studied business, but I jumped right in..
Im no Warren Buiffet,that's for sure. Right now, If I can pay my bills and go out for dinner a time or two on legit money.... I'm doing well. haha.
MJ subsidies? Doubt it. That's where I see the difference.
I need to learn more about business... You are always surprising me with your knowledge Dboi..
There might be something in this post that makes no sense... that is because, like i said, I know nothing about business theory. (is that what you call it?)
HeartlandHank
Well-Known Member
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This is VERY true.. Look at the craft Brew industry... EXPLODING!!!
I think he is correct though when he says the MASSES..
This idea is very regional too. In my city... mexicans, hondurans, ecuadorians, etc (a good % illegals) shop at Wal Mart... Most others won't even drive through the damn parking lot..
***tinites shop local.. buy quality, pay more. Even my girls restaurant... they buy local produce, local eggs, local poulty. And consumers LOVE that.
Call up the chain version of her restaurant.. you get the same product for $10... at her shop $30... but, try to find a table after 7pm on a Friday... the line wraps around the building.
The masses though... I agree, Wal Mart. PLENTY of room for botique shops though..
With my business.. I charge about 30% more than if you call up the company that is #1 on google search.. but, people like ME and my touch. When it comes to quality, I KILL competition. $$ though, they win, for sure...(Talking legit biz, not MJ here).
All that said... im with Dboi in that the MASSES will be Marlboro Joints.. BUT, us small guys can grab a portion of that market too.
Hell, our trim willprbly smoke better than a Marlboro joint. NO JOKE! And when competition gets heavy.. You will have to pull shit like that to survive..
Check out the e-cigTHC juice https://www.rollitup.org/concentrates-extracts/740152-propjoe-juice-propylene-glycol-thc.html ... profits are fucking retarded... im getting about $120 from a single gram of hash....made almost entirely from trim!
I never fucked with hash sales before because it just wasn't worth it... PropJoe Juice stretches so far though that you can really do well..
