What are your thoughts on a basic income?

UncleBuck

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When they don't have money.
and 5 words to rebut 7 pages worth of long winded kynes bullshit (which he made purposely long because he needs to heap a lot of bullshit on top of bullshit in order to create the baffling effect that his arguments (see: republican talking points) require).
 

UncleBuck

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"aggregate demand" is the economic hamsterwheel which rejects thrift and savings as theft from the grand economic dance....if you want something, save for it, whether personal or governmental. thats the nature of a Treasury (now an endangered species) and thats the nature of real economic freedom.
how's that working out for ya so far in life?
 

abandonconflict

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and 5 words to rebut 7 pages worth of long winded kynes bullshit (which he made purposely long because he needs to heap a lot of bullshit on top of bullshit in order to create the baffling effect that his arguments (see: republican talking points) require).
5 words he'll likely call a chomskyan word salad.
 

Dr Kynes

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5 words he'll likely call a chomskyan word salad.
if you actually believe that saying "when they dont have money" actually rebutts anything then you are a fool.

i know bucky is a fool already, but sometimes you show a glimmer of reason, before you dart off into the bushes after some squirrel.

you say you reject capitalism and "The State", yet seem to feel having money is important, and dont mind when "The State" does shit you approve of.

an "anarcho-syndicalist" "libertarian socialist" non-marxist who endlessly quotes marxists, living in a foreign land off a stipend from the US government, in a narco-kleptocracy, which is under threat from a far left socialist insurgency which you never comment on...


thats why your positions require explanation, which you do not supply.
 

nevyn

Member
if you actually believe that saying "when they dont have money" actually rebutts anything then you are a fool.

i know bucky is a fool already, but sometimes you show a glimmer of reason, before you dart off into the bushes after some squirrel.

you say you reject capitalism and "The State", yet seem to feel having money is important, and dont mind when "The State" does shit you approve of.

an "anarcho-syndicalist" "libertarian socialist" non-marxist who endlessly quotes marxists, living in a foreign land off a stipend from the US government, in a narco-kleptocracy, which is under threat from a far left socialist insurgency which you never comment on...


thats why your positions require explanation, which you do not supply.
That is so true, can't figure abandon out, he says some good things and then it all falls apart, it's strange because he is definitely intelligent I just wonder what is holding him back, I think I know, but I don't want to get into another argument. Peace abandon, you seem like a decent guy mate and I am learning loads and loads of stuff from you.
 

Dr Kynes

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To protect private property the ruling classes create govt.
The state exists to serve the ruling class and protect private property.

to protect society from raiders, anarcho-barbarians and sabertooth tigers, ALL classes, (from hunter to gatherer to basket weaver to shell necklace maker) got together and decided to have a leader who could make the hard decisions and make sure the village walls were high enough.

even before "the ruling class" there were leaders, there was organization, and there were group decisions to be made.

sophists gonna soph.
 

Dr Kynes

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To protect their asses the powerful force all to obey.
to be a part of any society you must accept the rules laid out by the ruling body (often not even a "Class", but elected leaders) or you can go off into the wilderness.

unless you are in a marxist dictatorship, then yeah. youre fucked. they lock the gates to keep you in, not to keep others out.

these blanket pronouncements of absolutes are pointless, and are always couched in one (or two) dingbat's personal perspective, and a shitload of slanted phrases which cannot be supported or disproved.

argue for or against specifics or you will drift off into madness like AC and Uncle "show me one example" Buck.
 

tokeprep

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More than enough is already produced, let alone wasted.
In a system without any guranteed minimum income. In a system of guaranteed minimum income, there's no reason to believe that would be true.

We produce because we must produce to survive. When you hand people all the income they need to survive, why would they bother to produce? That's where everything breaks down.
 

tokeprep

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The wealthiest members of society are unproductive. They never have to produce anything in order to survive.
Most wealthy people were not born wealthy. They became wealthy because they produced. Are you saying people who produce should have all of their consequent wealth confiscated so that they're forced to produce again? If so, what incentive would anyone have to produce?
 
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