What are your thoughts on a basic income?

UncleBuck · Dec 19, 2013

NLXSK1 said:
The poor cannot pay employees...

more right wing talking points that have zero basis in reality.

if we stopped issuing food stamps to poor people tomorrow, thousands would go unemployed due to lower demand.

the poor are some of the biggest job creators out there.

the wealthy hire as an option of last resort, their job is to not create jobs.

your right wing talking points are as pathetic as whatever it is you do for a living.

tokeprep · Dec 19, 2013

abandonconflict said:
Labor creates all wealth.

So does management. Labor is easy. Management is not.

When you evaluate the reward for risk, management risks a lot, typically everything; labor typically risks nothing. The difference in reward should be obvious.

NLXSK1 · Dec 19, 2013

UncleBuck said:
more right wing talking points that have zero basis in reality.

if we stopped issuing food stamps to poor people tomorrow, thousands would go unemployed due to lower demand.

the poor are some of the biggest job creators out there.

the wealthy hire as an option of last resort, their job is to not create jobs.

your right wing talking points are as pathetic as whatever it is you do for a living.

You are high...

see4 · Dec 19, 2013

I would agree to removing minimum wage regulations if we heavily penalized companies that outsource labor.

abandonconflict · Dec 19, 2013

tokeprep said:
So does management. Labor is easy. Management is not.

When you evaluate the reward for risk, management risks a lot, typically everything; labor typically risks nothing. The difference in reward should be obvious.

Management doesn't create wealth. Management manages labor. Labor creates wealth. If the workers strike, nothing gets done. If management strikes the workers can still work.

UncleBuck · Dec 19, 2013

NLXSK1 said:
You are high...

not yet i'm not.

seriously though, what do you "service" 10-15 times a day at $20 a pop?

i'm straining my mind to think of $20 a pop services. oil changes? shitty haircuts? shining shoes?

nevyn · Dec 19, 2013

see4 said:
I would agree to removing minimum wage regulations if we heavily penalized companies that outsource labor.

That's pretty interesting, what do you mean See? Just want to make sure I understand what you correctly.

see4 · Dec 19, 2013

UncleBuck said:
not yet i'm not.

seriously though, what do you "service" 10-15 times a day at $20 a pop?

i'm straining my mind to think of $20 a pop services. oil changes? shitty haircuts? shining shoes?

I think he provides oral sex with other men in exchange for money. That is illegal in most states. However, he may not. I am only suggesting the idea that possibly he does provide said services.

see4 · Dec 19, 2013

nevyn said:
That's pretty interesting, what do you mean See? Just want to make sure I understand what you correctly.

Pretty simple concept. Allow the capitalist markets "work" at both the consumer level as well as the labor level. Republicans want to do away with favorable labor regulations and let the market "decide", but are not suggesting they would regulate outsource labor, allowing a more "fair" labor force domestically.

I am suggesting that. It's a pretty bipartisan concept.

UncleBuck · Dec 19, 2013

see4 said:
I think he provides oral sex with other men in exchange for money. That is illegal in most states. However, he may not. I am only suggesting the idea that possibly he does provide said services.

he must not be that good at it then, or his business model is just to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

if i were to provide oral sex to men for money, i would try to service two or three guys a day at $100 a pop.

but that's just me.

nevyn · Dec 19, 2013

see4 said:
Pretty simple concept. Allow the capitalist markets "work" at both the consumer level as well as the labor level. Republicans want to do away with favorable labor regulations and let the market "decide", but are not suggesting they would regulate outsource labor, allowing a more "fair" labor force domestically.

I am suggesting that. It's a pretty bipartisan concept.

You like hiding behind that mask don't you? Wow, very clever comment. I still got to work it out properly, but I am stupid so give me some time.

burgertime2010 · Dec 19, 2013

Basic income seems like a human based relationship between output and income. The corporation is at the center.

heckler73 · Dec 19, 2013

Here's something else to consider in this grand equation.

Private CONTRACTORS cost twice (or more) as much as civil servants.
For all of the talk about "smaller government" and what not, does that imply gov't literally do nothing in order to "save" money? Or do free-marketeers really believe they can get the job done for less?

I'm not sure, but I suspect there are some caveats in the message that follows:

[video=youtube;d8N1WhBsOL0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8N1WhBsOL0[/video]

burgertime2010 · Dec 19, 2013

The incentive for corporate subsidies takes away the free market capitalist survivalist model. The same incentive, applied to persons is always dissed.

tokeprep · Dec 19, 2013

abandonconflict said:
Management doesn't create wealth. Management manages labor. Labor creates wealth. If the workers strike, nothing gets done. If management strikes the workers can still work.

You deny the role of management at your own peril. The absence of motivated management is the equivalent of output in the Soviet Union, not the equivalent of output in the United States.

BigNBushy · Dec 19, 2013

UncleBuck said:
how a wage hike of 41% and a big mac hike of 15% counts as passing on all the extra

What an employee gets on his paycheck is just a percentage of what it costs to have an employee. So what a company budgets for labor, if the wage has to go up, 41%, the costs of employment do not rise by the same.

All the taxes and mandated insurances remain the same.

Furthermore, the federal government subsidizes those costs for certain folks who are hard to employ.

A 41% hike in whats on that paycheck don't translate to a 41% rise in cost of employment.

BigNBushy · Dec 19, 2013

UncleBuck said:
i'm still waiting for one example of a business that went under due to minimum wage increases.

I'm still waiting for one example of a black man smarter than Issac Newton.

BigNBushy · Dec 20, 2013

abandonconflict said:
Management doesn't create wealth. Management manages labor. Labor creates wealth. If the workers strike, nothing gets done. If management strikes the workers can still work.

If management strikes, labor goofs off and quantity and quality is reduced.

UncleBuck · Dec 20, 2013

tokeprep said:
You deny the role of management at your own peril. The absence of motivated management is the equivalent of output in the Soviet Union, not the equivalent of output in the United States.

i still don't like you, and i disagree with you on the roles and importance of management and labor, but i'm glad you are back.

BigNBushy said:
I'm still waiting for one example of a black man smarter than Issac Newton.

i am not glad that you came back.

but you do have an interesting journey in life which is often amusing.

BigNBushy · Dec 20, 2013

UncleBuck said:
i am not glad that you came back.

but you do have an interesting journey in life which is often amusing.

It's been a long, strange trip...

I love how you just bail on an argument whenever I, or anyone 'checkmates' you...

Why didn't you say anything to me after you blasted me for mentioning the prebate as basic income, then I point out that having money come in monthly is "incom(e)"ing money?

What are your thoughts on a basic income?

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