What are your thoughts on a basic income?

nevyn

Member
Wow $2400 a month makes you "poor"?
Don't forget to mention that $2400 does not have to be spent on food or dwelling.......or healthcare.
Wow, that's not poor, in South African Rands that would be over R24 000, enough for a family of 4 to survive on easily.
 

Pinworm

Well-Known Member
Wow $2400 a month makes you "poor"?
Don't forget to mention that $2400 does not have to be spent on food or dwelling.......or healthcare.
Wonder how much of that $2400 a month would be spent on those injuries you forgot to mention earlier - programs for rehab, and all the cash to support a house/food/bills/family during the 2 years hunting for work when he/she returned from duty (where all the food and beds are covered)......Yea, sounds awesome.
 

twostrokenut

Well-Known Member
Wonder how much of that $2400 a month would be spent on those injuries you forgot to mention earlier - programs for rehab, and all the cash to support a house/food/bills/family during the 2 years hunting for work when he/she returned from duty (where all the food and beds are covered)......Yea, sounds awesome.
What's the VA again? Military service is an excellent job reference btw I know lots of jobs where that would put you above and beyond the rest of the apps....let alone the actual work trade job that most accomplish as well.

Anyhow I'm done, thanks for that salary link that kinda proved my point, maybe E1's would have been a better argument.

As to the original fatalities argument, since you provided none; insert socialism laziness comment here.

Good day.
 

Pinworm

Well-Known Member
What's the VA again?
Veteran's Affairs Minister does not even understand what constitutes a veteran. But, I can see you're just picking and choosing what questions you want to answer, and give solutions to, anyways, so, I'm done as well....A good day to you as well.

Thinking abandonconflict said it best:

"Instead of cutting veterans benefits, lets create less veterans."
 

nevyn

Member
Veteran's Affairs Minister does not even understand what constitutes a veteran. But, I can see you're just picking and choosing what questions you want to answer, and give solutions to, anyways, so, I'm done as well....A good day to you as well.

Thinking abandonconflict said it best:

"Instead of cutting veterans benefits, lets create less veterans."
Yeah he really did nail it didn't he, it was an excellent comment.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
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Hmmm... a "manager" makes $108k?
I guess that's part of the franchisee's income, unless they are just sitting on their asses and only collecting the $150k on the bottom line.
I wonder if Kynes saw that in the footnotes of one of his earlier "citations"?
Meh... knowing him, probably not.
probably three shift managers who get a rather leaner $36K each ...
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Here's 2012 http://bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t03.htm

If you want to do a decade I will let you get to work on that, then maybe critique it when you are done, point being you doing the work.
The military numbers only take into account RESIDENT armed forces i.e. Only those living and working WITHIN the USA.

According to the Washington Post, 307 Service members died in pretty much just Afghanistan alone in 2012.
 

heckler73

Well-Known Member
probably three shift managers who get a rather leaner $36K each ...
Something tells me "shift" managers may be part of the regular payroll based on a chance conversation I had a while back with a McD's manager who claimed to be "quite comfortable" with his pay. But details were not given, so I can't honestly say for certain.
Regardless, at least there are some more detailed numbers to juggle...
 

Dr Kynes

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I am not missing the point at all. It takes a special kind of person to be a soldier, they know what the pay is and what the job is; then they sign accept it. Same for a teacher or police man or woman, firefighter ect...of course Tim Tebow (wtf ever that is, admittedly, I don't watch sports except for cycle racing) draws his pay from the private sector, which means he pays the military already.....
tim tebow is an amercian football quarterback, he is the left's favorite whipping boy because he is an evangelical christian, and thus EVIL.
 

Dr Kynes

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That's just fatalities though. It doesn't include all the cancers, psychological problems, missing limbs, loss of hearing and various other conditions that are service related.
and arc welders go blind, it's part of the job. nobody takes you off the street and forces you to become an arc welder (except in china and north korea, yay socialism!)

loggers get injured and killed as a regular part of their jobs (even when eco-loons arent spiking trees)

circus daredevils splatter on the ring floor pretty often

racing drivers are always just half a second away from a firey death, but the most dangerous job by far? Taxi driver or convience store clerk in any city run by lefties.
 

Dr Kynes

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Instead of cutting veterans benefits, let's create less veterans.
yeah, eliminate evac hospitals, corpsmen, and military doctors!

we can cut down on those needless expenses and buy a few extra B1 bombers and drones, while simultaneously reducing overall expenditures on veterans benefits.

thats a great plan you just developed. imma call my senator, im sure diane feinstien will jump right on board!
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
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Hmmm... a "manager" makes $108k?
I guess that's part of the franchisee's income, unless they are just sitting on their asses and only collecting the $150k on the bottom line.
I wonder if Kynes saw that in the footnotes of one of his earlier "citations"?
Meh... knowing him, probably not.
i find that dubious since the cited articles described worker payroll as 28-34% of expenses, and that cutre lil chart lists TAXES as 1% (HA HA HA HA !!)

a 22% margin after all those expenses (and a total 1% state federal and local tax burden... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ) is ridiculously high. lemme guess you got that from a sit trying to sell you a McFranchise dincha?

the food service/restaurant business is dicey, with notoriously low margins at the best of times. and your McFranchise is NEVER gonna become the hot spot on the nightclub circuit in your town unless you live in San Luis Obispo.

imma canada that up for ya:

Your Tim Hortons franchise is NEVER gonna become the hot spot on the nightclub circuit in your town unless you live in Medicine Hat.
 

Canna Sylvan

Well-Known Member
Let me get this straight. Progressive liberals think life should be like online poker where you get free play credits just for making an account?
 

twostrokenut

Well-Known Member
The military numbers only take into account RESIDENT armed forces i.e. Only those living and working WITHIN the USA.

According to the Washington Post, 307 Service members died in pretty much just Afghanistan alone in 2012.
Saw something saying the total in 2012 was around 2k....not sure how many total service men and women make up the military as a whole but I'm betting as a percentage logging is still more dangerous.....main point being who decides income based on danger or nobility for non-private sector jobs and why compare them to celebrity or average private sector athletes?
 
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