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Keep it going Greengenes, fantastic job so far

@ bad karma Dayuum....those some big buds on 1 watters. Did you use Jack's classic for nutes?

Alright thanks psuagro, I'll look into more. Do we have to pay any import fees since it's coming from Europe into USA?

So 80w x 4 = 320 watts, and you're telling me this will work as well as my 600w hid?

I need a Hans expert to chime in here. In a 4x4x7 space wth 4-6 plants how many Hans panels would be needed to at least match 600 watts of hid?

Can a Hans expert chime in here. How many Hans would be needed in a 4x4x7 with 4-6 plants? To me these panels just seem a bit underpowered. I'm thinking 6 panels in my size area.

That is very cool, hit them where it hurts.

In reference to the famed Cidly Apollo line?

Right....but then I come across posts by a member named Slipon and he seems to be doing pretty damn good with his Fero/LG Led combo. But points well taken, as it's a dead heat btwn A51 and Apache at this point.

Anyone here know of how fast A51 turns around and ships your lights? I like it when I pay in full and products ships same day, or maybe at the latest...next day.

Damn that's fucked up man...sorry to hear. Hope you get this resolved and at least a partial recovery of your funds.

@ stardustsailor What is your opinion of the Apache Tech AT600?

Almost a month later and after reading and researching night/day...hell I'm just as confused as I was before. Nah just joking, but there's a lot of info to digest and like I've said all along I just want to get the best bang for my buck. So, I've narrowed my choices down to these bad mutha's...

Saw pics of the Spydr on your Strawberry Cough Journal, looks pretty nice. You happy with the results so far? How much heat does it put out?

So you're saying it would take two Mars II 1200's to cover the area of 4x4? Don't worry brotha I'm hangin in there strong but my wallet starts to pucker its asshole when I go to pull my credit card out. Those are some real nice nugs Bad Karma, the calyx development looks phenomenal.

Lol...gotcha man

I will be watching with great interest as I have a potential $2000 to slap down on a phat led

The guys a moderate to heavy tweeker? Prolly works graveyard shift at Kmart with all the other tweekers?

Just the typical T5 for veg and 600w HPS. Just seems like one can get a better deal going with Top Led Green Panels or Mars II. Did I read right? I just went back to the Apache Tech web site and they state they use 1 watt led's??

Nah man I have about 2k to smack down too lol. But I want to buy something that works as advertised.