400W, 5 Plants, Indoor, First Grow

I got FISKARS trimmers, suppose to be good?
Also, I was going to pick up Mad Farmers PH up and down since I'm out of PH up already, but they only had gallon jugs.
A grower told me the additive dyes in GH's ph up and down get stuck in the plants? wtf?
He also told me to use mad farmer cause there aren't any dyes.
ehh, but I picked up GH again cause of the whole gallon things.
Probably gonna get like 10-14 grams dry off the two top colas im cutting.
maybe more? who knows.

anyways, is it better to clip the colas off before lights on, or does it matter, orrrrr?

fiskars are decent pruners. i have a pair too - great for brutally thick stems.
won't make a difference if she's awake for the cut or not, as long as she has the whole day to recuperate.
and make sure to throw up a pic of the buds when you're finished!

ylem said:

fiskars are decent pruners. i have a pair too - great for brutally thick stems.
won't make a difference if she's awake for the cut or not, as long as she has the whole day to recuperate.
and make sure to throw up a pic of the buds when you're finished!

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will do my friend, they are small colas since my hindu got stunted a little.
probably 4-6 inches long, but can't complain :]

steeZz said:

Thanks man, it's actually master bubba kush, a mixture of the two
News are out, checked the hindu kush for amber-ness with a 60x loupe instead of 30x loupe, way toooooo much amber on these colas since they are indica dom.
So tomorrow morning before lights on the two colas of the hindu kush will be cut, and the rest of the plant will finish up a little longer.
She just got a watering with 10gal of R/O ph'd to 6.6 so that should leech a little bit out.
Still waiting for the northern, shes still producing a lot of fucking bud man...... shes filling out all her lazy weak arms on the bottom of the plant, she doesn't know when to stop.
Still got this sour, fruity, lemony, dank, skunky smell in my tent.
FUCKING LOVE IT.
Can't wait for tomorrow morning, buh-bye hindu.
will post updates soon.

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Whew Hooooo, chop time !!! Can you say FINGER HASH????? .....HAHAHAHA Your in for a growers treat................Nice work SteeZz

Why do I keep getting this message? You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to steeZz again......lol

Mr.Natural said:

Whew Hooooo, chop time !!! Can you say FINGER HASH????? .....HAHAHAHA Your in for a growers treat................Nice work SteeZz

Why do I keep getting this message? You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to steeZz again......lol

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr.Natural again.You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr.Natural again.You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr.Natural again.

I think they are on to us, thats why they wont let us give eachother rep.
damn moderators!! lol

alotaball said:

Please explain how more hours of darkness would cause a plant to reveg? Or are you just guessing ? Not trying to be a dick .. but you didnt say might .. you said you will get hermies/ reveg from 13 hours of dark .. explain?

On a side note.. you do know that outdoor is over 12 hours of dark from september on .. depending on your location.. other places get hardly 9 or 10 hours of sunshine... its the hours of dark that trigger flowering .. I can link you to some growers that do 10/14 the last 2 weeks.. ect ect..

I Personally run 12/12 .. but adding dark will not cause plants to reveg.. take one of your clones in veg and throw it in pitch black closet for 3 days .. see what happens.. report back.. it will be throwing out pistils and trying to flower..

What causes herms .. when your talking about light stress... is interruption of dark cycle.. adding time to dark cycle in small increments will not hurt them..

The days are shorter by a few minute EVERY single day right now .. that mean every single outdoor grow will herm ?

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Maybe you should read my post again then.
You cannot just take a part of my post and delete a parentheses to make your point.

I wrote:

k0ijn said:

The 12 hour dark cycle is the factor which controls flowering. It is essential for the plants, and if you mess too much with it (I myself have never tried 11/13 and wouldn't recommend it to anyone) you will get hermies and/or return your plants to veg.

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I don't know how you read text usually, but I find my post pretty straight forward.
And your post is very hateful and arrogant, maybe you aren't trying to be a dick but you certainly appear as one.

I'm not saying that 11/13 will give you hermies and/or return your plants to veg.
That is why I used parenthesis, do you know what they are normally used for and how they work?
I guess if you did you would not have to delete the first parentheses to try and change my post.

What I'm saying, is that messing with you dark cycle can (and quite probably will) give you hermies and / or return your plants to veg.
I did not state any cycles, as I find it quite clear that if you give your plants a bit of light during the 12 hour dark cycle after 6 hours, you are effectively messing up the dark cycle, turning it into a sort of 12 hours (light) / 6 hours (dark) / 1 hour (light) / 5 hours (dark).
This is not something you said anything about, it was a reference to a previous post made by someone else, who said that you could "split up" the dark cycle.
That is what I was talking about, did you read the other posts in the thread?

The fact that I mention (in the parentheses) I won't be able to recommend your 11/13 cycle is because I have not seen anyone do it, I have not done it myself and have never heard of it being used extensively.
That however has nothing to do with the other part of my post, it's merely an afterthought (therefore the parentheses) used to express my opinion.

I'm not going to respond to your ramblings about trying to teach me that outdoor the 12 hour dark cycle changes.
I already know this and I do not need to be told the basic stuff from a guy who misunderstood my post, took it out of context and then changed it so it fitted into his hissy fit.


Your actions clearly call for an /ignore.

Do you understand english?
Do you know what parentheses is.

The 12 hour dark cycle is the factor which controls flowering. It is essential for the plants, and if you mess too much with it (I myself have never tried 11/13 and wouldn't recommend it to anyone) you will get hermies and/or return your plants to veg.

When a sentence is typed up like that, it means that "The 12 hour dark cycle is the factor which controls flowering. It is essential for the plants, and if you mess too much with it you will get hermies and/or return your plants to veg."

Is ONE sentence.

"(I myself have never tried 11/13 and wouldn't recommend it to anyone)" is an interjection, often used as an afterthought or to refer to another statement/person/situation etc.


What is so hard to understand here?
All I did was NOT recommend your method of 11/13 because it's not proven, it's just your word, I don't know anyone using it and nor did anyone I asked about it.
Why are you so mad because I don't recommend your method?


I repeat. I did not say that using 11/13 will give you hermies, I place the statement in parentheses to exclude it from the other texts meaning in the sentence.

I have never said that putting text in a parentheses makes it "not count", wtf are you on about?
Seriously what is your problem?
You have some kind of attitude problem.

Using caps don't make you seem smarter btw, it makes you look like a child.








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I can see the posts which this post responds to have been deleted.
I see no reason to delete this info, just pointing out that it isn't random ramblings.

Im sorry also steeze and mr ignore.. His post was pretty misleading .. I just followed it up with some facts so no one fears using more darkness...

Love you K0ijn smile bro !

I would like to apologize for having to defend myself in your grow journal SteeZz, it's clearly not the proper thread to do that in but I had to respond.
I won't have people "putting words in my mouth", trying to twist my intentions.

I have ignored the person in question and therefore this will be my last post about the subject.


On another more on topic note;

Can't wait for your harvesting update mate

Dude no reason to apologize we are all adults here.
This is why we're stoners, cause we debate.
Not argue, debate.

If you look it up most jamaicans are the same exact way hahaha.

To be honest, I myself think that switching them to 11:30/12:30 was an iffy idea.
Is this going to effect my longer strains too, not just the ones that are almost amber and ready?
Or will it be normal on the sativas ?
I think my master bubba is like an 11 week strain, its not really blowing up that much it just has like little nugs.
but the hairs havent sucked back in, so i'm thinking maybe soon it'll hit a growth spurt?
ehhh, lets hope.

pictures are going up 8AM tomorrow morning -8GMT.

Oh and I liked all your posts cause my thread needs more likes.

steeZz said:

Dude no reason to apologize we are all adults here.
This is why we're stoners, cause we debate.
Not argue, debate.

If you look it up most jamaicans are the same exact way hahaha.

To be honest, I myself think that switching them to 11:30/12:30 was an iffy idea.
Is this going to effect my longer strains too, not just the ones that are almost amber and ready?
Or will it be normal on the sativas ?
I think my master bubba is like an 11 week strain, its not really blowing up that much it just has like little nugs.
but the hairs havent sucked back in, so i'm thinking maybe soon it'll hit a growth spurt?
ehhh, lets hope.

pictures are going up 8AM tomorrow morning -8GMT.

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Sativas that take longer will just ripen faster.. because they are used to even more hours of light if they are from a equator region or whatnot...

Ya as you said were stoners who talk .. I didnt mean to flip this guy out .. but the way he replied.. pissed me off then I went to his level.. SO regardless I just deleted the post.. sent him a pm that you just had to explain not flip out .. tried to tell him that I was posting information not trying to insult him ...

increasing dark time from 12 hours is a trick people have use for a while...... I do it on occasion but never more then an hour .. some people go all the way up to 14 hours dark.. even though I have witnessed no ill effects from that many hours.. i have never done it .. it just scared me yield wise.. I have only played with up to a hour...

I even know a family friend .. who grows very well for years now .. who does 6/12 .. 6 hours on .. 12 hours dark.. swears it cuts a week of the cycle or more on sativa's because he gets extra "days" within a week ..

When I debated this with him .. No i didnt just press the ignore button (cheap shot on J0 ) I told him .. how dont you lose yield.. he said because he gets more days of flower within a week...because the 6 hours that are cut out of each plants day .... PLEASE NOTE DO NOT DO THIS .. lol atleast I would be scared too.. but it works for him .. i have smoked his stuff its quality .. so either he has crazily stable genetics.. good luck .. or knows what hes talking about

Heres an article on that crazy 12/6 cycle.. I need to find the author.. this is what my family friend was talking about .. sounds insane ya ?

The Theory
The theory behind the 18 hour Day/Night cycle is that during a normal 24 hour light cycle plants will usually achieve high growth rates peaking at 100% capacity during the first 50 - 60% of the day. The growth rates will then diminish rapidly and the last 20 - 30% of the day achieves minimal growth. So by reducing the length of the day we are triggering an increased growth mode where the growth rates are at their peak for the majority of the day. This effectively achieves a very fast growth cycle with full yield potential.

NOTE: To achieve these incredible growth rates it is important to provide maximum light intensities and CO2 enriched conditions. The recommended lighting is 600W per square metre.


The Cycles
Vegetative Cycle - Lights ON 14 hours, Lights OFF 4 hours
Flowering Cycle - Lights ON 6 hours, Lights OFF 12 hours

The Benefits
The growth acheived during an 18 hour cycle can be the equivalent to that acheived during a 24 hour cycle. So by running 18 hour cycles the same growth and yield can be acheived in 75% of the time.

Reduced day lengths also mean reduced power consumption. Grow more and use less power. Who can argue with that?

For example, an average crop grown from seed using a 24 hour day/night cycle will have a 4 weeks grow cycle and an 8 weeks flower cycle. This equates to 28 days @ 18 hours a day and 56 days @ 12 hours a day = 1176 hours of light over 12 weeks.

An accellerated crop using an 18 hour day/night cycle will achieve the same yields using a 3 week grow cycle and a 6 week flower cycle. This equates to 21 days @ 14 hours a day and 42 days @ 6 hours a day = 546 hours of light over 9 weeks resulting in a 40% reduction in power consumption and a 25% reduction in crop time.

alotaball said:

Heres an article on that crazy 12/6 cycle.. I need to find the author.. this is what my family friend was talking about .. sounds insane ya ?

The Theory
The theory behind the 18 hour Day/Night cycle is that during a normal 24 hour light cycle plants will usually achieve high growth rates peaking at 100% capacity during the first 50 - 60% of the day. The growth rates will then diminish rapidly and the last 20 - 30% of the day achieves minimal growth. So by reducing the length of the day we are triggering an increased growth mode where the growth rates are at their peak for the majority of the day. This effectively achieves a very fast growth cycle with full yield potential.

NOTE: To achieve these incredible growth rates it is important to provide maximum light intensities and CO2 enriched conditions. The recommended lighting is 600W per square metre.


The Cycles
Vegetative Cycle - Lights ON 14 hours, Lights OFF 4 hours
Flowering Cycle - Lights ON 6 hours, Lights OFF 12 hours

The Benefits
The growth acheived during an 18 hour cycle can be the equivalent to that acheived during a 24 hour cycle. So by running 18 hour cycles the same growth and yield can be acheived in 75% of the time.

Reduced day lengths also mean reduced power consumption. Grow more and use less power. Who can argue with that?

For example, an average crop grown from seed using a 24 hour day/night cycle will have a 4 weeks grow cycle and an 8 weeks flower cycle. This equates to 28 days @ 18 hours a day and 56 days @ 12 hours a day = 1176 hours of light over 12 weeks.

An accellerated crop using an 18 hour day/night cycle will achieve the same yields using a 3 week grow cycle and a 6 week flower cycle. This equates to 21 days @ 14 hours a day and 42 days @ 6 hours a day = 546 hours of light over 9 weeks resulting in a 40% reduction in power consumption and a 25% reduction in crop time.

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I've heard of the 13/11 many times with no problems, but hard to tell any difference in results, but this 18 hr 12/6 sounds brilliant! How cool would that be. Yield would be down some I guess but quality should be fine.....I have two really stable strains......Hmmmm I love trying crazy shit.......

alotaball said:

Sativas that take longer will just ripen faster.. because they are used to even more hours of light if they are from a equator region or whatnot...

Ya as you said were stoners who talk .. I didnt mean to flip this guy out .. but the way he replied.. pissed me off then I went to his level.. SO regardless I just deleted the post.. sent him a pm that you just had to explain not flip out .. tried to tell him that I was posting information not trying to insult him ...

increasing dark time from 12 hours is a trick people have use for a while...... I do it on occasion but never more then an hour .. some people go all the way up to 14 hours dark.. even though I have witnessed no ill effects from that many hours.. i have never done it .. it just scared me yield wise.. I have only played with up to a hour...

I even know a family friend .. who grows very well for years now .. who does 6/12 .. 6 hours on .. 12 hours dark.. swears it cuts a week of the cycle or more on sativa's because he gets extra "days" within a week ..

When I debated this with him .. No i didnt just press the ignore button (cheap shot on J0 ) I told him .. how dont you lose yield.. he said because he gets more days of flower within a week...because the 6 hours that are cut out of each plants day .... PLEASE NOTE DO NOT DO THIS .. lol atleast I would be scared too.. but it works for him .. i have smoked his stuff its quality .. so either he has crazily stable genetics.. good luck .. or knows what hes talking about

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Yo what about putting your plant in complete darkness for days before harvest... why is everyone telling me to do this?
I feel like there is so much shit out there that people told other people and it just spread around that its almost impossible to just do what works.
One opinion here, another here, no this works better, no in this medium.
I feel like just cutting the fucking cola off the plant is wrong, you have to do it after 36 hours of darkness and 2 weeks of flushing then you have to trim three fan leaves for every node but make sure when you flushed, you flushed at 6.63 ph exactly, then after all that you have to vacuum seal it, ship it to cuba, get it stamped, sent back... and you got danks.

It kind of shuns me from wanting to browse more, cause I'm just going to find a million conflicting stories.

alotaball making new friends <3 lol I honestly didn't think you did anything to deserve the bible length rebuttal or ignore but my opinion is biased

Instead of changing the light schedule, change your patience level! Haha Just wait it out bro. The plants will be finished when they're ready I was looking forward to a chopdown this weekend but the trichomes are telling me different. I need this harvest like you couldn't believe so I should be going crazy trying anything to help them ripen, but I'm being patient. If they take 2 more weeks so be it. Maybe they'll even fatten up a bit during the extra days you give them.

steeZz said:

Yo what about putting your plant in complete darkness for days before harvest... why is everyone telling me to do this?
I feel like there is so much shit out there that people told other people and it just spread around that its almost impossible to just do what works.
One opinion here, another here, no this works better, no in this medium.
I feel like just cutting the fucking cola off the plant is wrong, you have to do it after 36 hours of darkness and 2 weeks of flushing then you have to trim three fan leaves for every node but make sure when you flushed, you flushed at 6.63 ph exactly, then after all that you have to vacuum seal it, ship it to cuba, get it stamped, sent back... and you got danks.

It kind of shuns me from wanting to browse more, cause I'm just going to find a million conflicting stories.

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Lmfao...

Bro, google Ed Rosenthal and go read his shit. I have his growers handbook and it's money well spent. A lot of his articles are easy to find and his info is 100% legit as fuck. When you read facts like his, it'll help you form your own conclusion on any topic about growing mj.

yeah ed is brilliant and subcool is consistent with good info all the time. the thing is on here you got a bunch of people stuck in their ways or who have their own methods....many of which are just heresy or superstition. i learned by trial and error and just stick with what works best for me. like the old saying goes, "there is more than one way to skin a cat."

I got a growers book, but sometimes I kind-of feel like it was written thirty years ago?
For the most part I got all the facts down, but like I said ^ theres a lot of things in the book that seem out-dated.

I'm going to start liking like every single thing on everyones thread.
PREPARE TO BE ANNOYED.

steeZz said:

I got a growers book, but sometimes I kind-of feel like it was written thirty years ago?
For the most part I got all the facts down, but like I said ^ theres a lot of things in the book that seem out-dated.

I'm going to start liking like every single thing on everyones thread.
PREPARE TO BE ANNOYED.

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i didnt even realize there was a like button....when the hell did that show up? all this talk of liking stuff i hadn't the slightest idea what people were talking about. i been around since 2007.....was i really that stoned?