hellraizer30
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Sup fellas looks like the grow is going well lol
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hey bro
yep i was just admiring it myself
u got any advice about treat what looks like fungi he posted earlier
and hey nug u need to send hellraizer a friend request that man can grow and would be a big help to u
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Thanks fab 
i hve been pondering that whit substance! And at a glance it looks like a spider hole lol
But on a solid note! Im thinking it is fungus and from the way the girls look, i wouldnt put to much
Thought into it!
i hve been pondering that whit substance! And at a glance it looks like a spider hole lolBut on a solid note! Im thinking it is fungus and from the way the girls look, i wouldnt put to much
Thought into it!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Just be carefull how much you apply! Bleach can do some damage
nuglets
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that's what i figured. i probably added two cap fulls to a half gallon of water. Not really sure but it was kinda strong. i figured since I was just spraying it on the bottom of the pot at the holes I would be alright. plus i applied with a mist sprayer. anyway, have you seen that stuff? it's a super fungi. it took the h202 i gave it and laughed at me. drank it up like it was a fat kid and i was spraying it with chocolate milk.
Thanks fab
But on a solid note! Im thinking it is fungus and from the way the girls look, i wouldnt put to much
Thought into it!
u mean dsb got in his clones ? huh
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Hey nuglets you might want to swing by heisenbergs thread in the hydro dwc section! He might know a bit more about this
Fungus you got going! I have see this but never seen it drink h202 and then say is that all you got lol
Fungus you got going! I have see this but never seen it drink h202 and then say is that all you got lol
thats how i killed half my one time hydro experiment tried to kill fungus gnats and killed half my 16 plants didnt do shit to them fucking gnats
nasty fuckers crawling all on your roots
we already named it fabs fantastic fungus i think wasnt that what we decided on nugs ?
i already though were were friends but i sent him a request just now. he's been helping from the beginning. i got all the ideas about leaning the buckets and the inserts and taping up the lines from his thread. at "the newb grow journal" he's an OG!
he is good people helped me alot too and not with just growing
even forgave me for being a asshole one time well several times lol
nuglets
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LOL. yep, fabs got naming rights on the fungus. he mentioned that it look familiar to something he had growing on his ball sack so i gave him first crack at naming it. 
thanks for the type hellraizer. gonna go and check that out now. i posted it before the hack in plant problems but everyone said it was mold. but mold smells and this doesn't. all i can think is that scrogladyte might be right cause i did mix some organic compost in with the soil. who knows. gonna go an see how the girls are doing here in a little and check on the bottom of those pots.
thanks for the type hellraizer. gonna go and check that out now. i posted it before the hack in plant problems but everyone said it was mold. but mold smells and this doesn't. all i can think is that scrogladyte might be right cause i did mix some organic compost in with the soil. who knows. gonna go an see how the girls are doing here in a little and check on the bottom of those pots.
nuglets
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hey guys. little update.
all the moms are doing great. i picked up the pots and the feel so light. i'm not going to water them yet and see if they start to give me a sign they need feeding. when i water them this time i'm only going to give them plain ph's water. see if that clawing is from too many nutes. it's crazy thoug, i tie them down and in a day they are pulling stakes out of the ground. if you look in the first picture at the bottom you see one branch staked down. that thing came out of nowhere. it must have grown 3" overnight.
my arch nemesis. the FAB fungi. i can't tell yet if the bleach is actually killing it or if it's just got some "nute burn". LOL. gonna keep a close eye on it for now.
so today was judgement day. i had made 22 clones and it looks like 14 survived. not sure if this is a good ratio but i'm happy for my first time ever cloning. i can see some of the mistakes that i made that will help me bring that ratio up in the future. 8 clones off the largest plant all survived and are doing well. i only got 1 of 6 clones to survive on the second largest plant; 3 of 6 survived off the larger cheese plant; and both clones survived off the small cheese plant. i think next time i will have much bigger clones to take. seems to me the big clones did the best. also, trimming away the majority of the leaves like FAB said to do will help. i really think i was not watering enough either. i left the dome on yesterday after watering and a few of the cubes were totally dry already this morning. the entire tray was dry and there was no moisture on the dome. so i watered them again today with a 250ppm clonex solution. i made sure to give them a really healthy watering. i switched from 2 lights in my t5 to 4 and opened the vent holes on the dome halfway. i figure when i have some nice roots below all of them in the next day or two i can take the dome off. let me know what you guys think about taking the dome off and watering. how often should i be watering at this point? thanks.
all the moms are doing great. i picked up the pots and the feel so light. i'm not going to water them yet and see if they start to give me a sign they need feeding. when i water them this time i'm only going to give them plain ph's water. see if that clawing is from too many nutes. it's crazy thoug, i tie them down and in a day they are pulling stakes out of the ground. if you look in the first picture at the bottom you see one branch staked down. that thing came out of nowhere. it must have grown 3" overnight.
my arch nemesis. the FAB fungi. i can't tell yet if the bleach is actually killing it or if it's just got some "nute burn". LOL. gonna keep a close eye on it for now.
so today was judgement day. i had made 22 clones and it looks like 14 survived. not sure if this is a good ratio but i'm happy for my first time ever cloning. i can see some of the mistakes that i made that will help me bring that ratio up in the future. 8 clones off the largest plant all survived and are doing well. i only got 1 of 6 clones to survive on the second largest plant; 3 of 6 survived off the larger cheese plant; and both clones survived off the small cheese plant. i think next time i will have much bigger clones to take. seems to me the big clones did the best. also, trimming away the majority of the leaves like FAB said to do will help. i really think i was not watering enough either. i left the dome on yesterday after watering and a few of the cubes were totally dry already this morning. the entire tray was dry and there was no moisture on the dome. so i watered them again today with a 250ppm clonex solution. i made sure to give them a really healthy watering. i switched from 2 lights in my t5 to 4 and opened the vent holes on the dome halfway. i figure when i have some nice roots below all of them in the next day or two i can take the dome off. let me know what you guys think about taking the dome off and watering. how often should i be watering at this point? thanks.
LOL. yep, fabs got naming rights on the fungus. he mentioned that it look familiar to something he had growing on his ball sack so i gave him first crack at naming it.
thanks for the type hellraizer. gonna go and check that out now. i posted it before the hack in plant problems but everyone said it was mold. but mold smells and this doesn't. all i can think is that scrogladyte might be right cause i did mix some organic compost in with the soil. who knows. gonna go an see how the girls are doing here in a little and check on the bottom of those pots.
good one bro
maybe i need to try the bleach on it
asfor signs they need water wait till they start to droop alittle
way2muchweed
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but looking back on your setup and seeing all that water cooling with iceboxes it just seems like there is way more effecient and also less risky ways to accomplish the same goals
nuglets
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not sure i understand what you are saying but i'll try and answer. first off, water cooling is a lot more efficient then air cooling. especially where i live. it is hot and humid here all year round so i don't get cold winters where i can run my lights at nigh ad have a space heater in there during the day. my cooling equipment runs 24/7 basically. water has a thermal conductivity 4 times greater than air. so my 2hp chiller (which is no bigger than a window a/c) runs on 240v and uses less electricity than a 24,000btu a/c unit when running. if i bought a/c units i would need one for each room and they would have to be portable. those things are the most inefficient ways to cool a room. i didn't have to buy any extra fans or ducting...i don't have to worry about odor because i have 100% sealed rooms...i have no problems with bugs and stuff...and my power bill is way less than it would be with a/c. yes, it's definitely more expensive to set up but not much. and you get that money back in evergy saving over the course of your first 6 months. as far as risky goes...i'm not sure i understand you. i have 1 "window a/c" running maybe 3 out of every 10 minutes during the lights on cycle. doesn't look suspicious or risky to me.
phillipchristian
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Water cooling is actually 40% more efficient then air cooling. The larger the grow op you have the smaller the actual difference is in price between the two. As far as risk goes, since water cooling allows you to have a Closed Grow Environment you really actually lower the risk. In nuglets case his chiller costs about twice as much as the equivelent in a/c would have cost him. He's actually using less inline fans, ducting; etc... And he's able to cool his reservoir as well from the system. I wouldn't be surprised id he saved that difference in price over a/c in 4 months.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Im looking into using a 55gal res with plain water with a chiller set to 50f and a pump pulling out wzter and running it
Through a h&m heat exchanger for cooling the main room! All the lights are pulling from outside through and venting
Outside ! No odor issue do to it being on a closed loop. Should lower temp by a ton rooms sealed, and r/h is control
By 100 pint dehumidifier. Res tanks are also going to be chilled via that 55gal chilled res. Any advice phillip would be
Cool
Through a h&m heat exchanger for cooling the main room! All the lights are pulling from outside through and venting
Outside ! No odor issue do to it being on a closed loop. Should lower temp by a ton
rooms sealed, and r/h is controlBy 100 pint dehumidifier. Res tanks are also going to be chilled via that 55gal chilled res. Any advice phillip would be
Cool
phillipchristian
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Hey Hellraizer. Those H&M units look really great. You seem to have a good grasp on things. Just a couple points I thought off.
You are going to need to be carful how you bring the chiller lines into your room. 50 degree water will be below dew point and will create a ton of condensation on them. My chiller has dual reservoirs and pumps. One reservoir is kept at 45 degrees for my air handlers which are fed from lines that run along the outside of the building and then through the walls directly into the back of the air handlers. The other reservoir is kept at 60 degrees and that runs through the manifold line that feeds the water cooled equipment (dehumidifier, Co2, nute reservoirs, etc..) that is in the grow room. With air handlers or large heat exchangers you really need to keep the reservoir for that unit 10-15 degrees below ambient temperatures to cool your room and help the heat exchanger run more efficient. If you are running a smaller load like nuglets then that obviously can be warmer. Since nuglets is cooling EVERYTHING in his room that creates heat with water he only needs that Ice Box heat exchanger to cool the ambient room air. Since he has an 8x8x7 tent he's only trying to cool 448 cubic feet which only requires 2,500btu of cooling capacity. Maybe a little more because of the climate where he lives. I don't know your exact situation but if you are trying to cool a larger area or have a 2+ ton heat exchanger then I would recommend getting either 2 reservoirs for your chiller or looking into another method to cool your nutrient reservoir.
You need to size your chiller according to your cooling needs. So if you need 3 tons of cooling for your air handler and you just want to cool your nutrient reservoirs also you are going to need a 3 ton chiller. Most commercial chillers over 2hp have internal reservoirs and pumps. If you are chilling less than that with say a 2hp chiller like nuglets then you will have a seperate reservoir like you stated. I just wanted to mention that cause I wasn't sure how big of a heat exchanger you were getting and I saw some of those H&M ones were 3 and 4 tons. If you under size the chiller in comparison to the heat exchanger then it's really not going to run efficiently. Your chiller will constantly run and if the sizing is not right then it may not even be able to keep the reservoir cold enough for the heat exchanger to do it's job.
If your chiller does not have an internal pump and reservoir I highly recommend that you get a good cast iron pump. They have multiple ports so that you don't need to run 1 pump for your chiller, another for your heat exchanger, and a third pump for your nutrient reservoir. Also, water flow with these heat exchangers is a critical element. Most pumps cannot handle the load required by heat exchangers; especilly when required to lift (push) the water 5-10' up to the heat exchanger. If the pressure is not there then the heat exchanger will not work properly. For your application look into a 1/2hp unit ($100). Flotec is really good and that's what I have always used but I know Durman and a few other companies make great units as well.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else.
You are going to need to be carful how you bring the chiller lines into your room. 50 degree water will be below dew point and will create a ton of condensation on them. My chiller has dual reservoirs and pumps. One reservoir is kept at 45 degrees for my air handlers which are fed from lines that run along the outside of the building and then through the walls directly into the back of the air handlers. The other reservoir is kept at 60 degrees and that runs through the manifold line that feeds the water cooled equipment (dehumidifier, Co2, nute reservoirs, etc..) that is in the grow room. With air handlers or large heat exchangers you really need to keep the reservoir for that unit 10-15 degrees below ambient temperatures to cool your room and help the heat exchanger run more efficient. If you are running a smaller load like nuglets then that obviously can be warmer. Since nuglets is cooling EVERYTHING in his room that creates heat with water he only needs that Ice Box heat exchanger to cool the ambient room air. Since he has an 8x8x7 tent he's only trying to cool 448 cubic feet which only requires 2,500btu of cooling capacity. Maybe a little more because of the climate where he lives. I don't know your exact situation but if you are trying to cool a larger area or have a 2+ ton heat exchanger then I would recommend getting either 2 reservoirs for your chiller or looking into another method to cool your nutrient reservoir.
You need to size your chiller according to your cooling needs. So if you need 3 tons of cooling for your air handler and you just want to cool your nutrient reservoirs also you are going to need a 3 ton chiller. Most commercial chillers over 2hp have internal reservoirs and pumps. If you are chilling less than that with say a 2hp chiller like nuglets then you will have a seperate reservoir like you stated. I just wanted to mention that cause I wasn't sure how big of a heat exchanger you were getting and I saw some of those H&M ones were 3 and 4 tons. If you under size the chiller in comparison to the heat exchanger then it's really not going to run efficiently. Your chiller will constantly run and if the sizing is not right then it may not even be able to keep the reservoir cold enough for the heat exchanger to do it's job.
If your chiller does not have an internal pump and reservoir I highly recommend that you get a good cast iron pump. They have multiple ports so that you don't need to run 1 pump for your chiller, another for your heat exchanger, and a third pump for your nutrient reservoir. Also, water flow with these heat exchangers is a critical element. Most pumps cannot handle the load required by heat exchangers; especilly when required to lift (push) the water 5-10' up to the heat exchanger. If the pressure is not there then the heat exchanger will not work properly. For your application look into a 1/2hp unit ($100). Flotec is really good and that's what I have always used but I know Durman and a few other companies make great units as well.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else.
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