Yeah I used to think this or at least gave him the benefit of the doubt. But after this bullshit with the denial of conditions based on an inquiry that was planned to fail I now know for sure he is a smug self righteous prick. Go read his interview it is on azcentral I think. Read between the lines on that one.
A REAL commitment to change the 25-mile rule
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1337hacker
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got a link?
personified
Active Member
Yes the law is vauge enough for interpretation and that is a problem. However Humble and his chronies (NORMAL and mpp)are the ones that tried to take and pervert it. Then the county and city officials continue to pervert it with zoning laws.
I actually thought Brewer would help going before the feds. The feds would have said no and then everyone would have been able to cultivate. But nooooo everyone wanted to push the issue and now in a year we won't grow.
At one point some of our legislators tried to pass a 300% tax. I was sending emails to both Brewer and the rest thanking them for helping the movement. I specifically said thank you for trying to implement the tax as no one would ever buy from a dispensary and they would all fail.
As the counties and cities were releasing the zoning laws I would email them and thank them for making it impossible to find available real estate. They were only second in helping the movement to the legislators.
Finally I am going to say something I know will cause a fuss. I respect Joe Arpiao for stating if your doing it wrong we will tune you up. I like Joe Arpiao!!! While I would not want to tangle with his posse I respect him greatly. You may not like his position but you always know where he stands. He does not waiver period!! The shire reeves in this country are the only ones standing up to the feds!! We need to stand behind them since they are the only ones with greater power than the fed locally.
I actually thought Brewer would help going before the feds. The feds would have said no and then everyone would have been able to cultivate. But nooooo everyone wanted to push the issue and now in a year we won't grow.
At one point some of our legislators tried to pass a 300% tax. I was sending emails to both Brewer and the rest thanking them for helping the movement. I specifically said thank you for trying to implement the tax as no one would ever buy from a dispensary and they would all fail.
As the counties and cities were releasing the zoning laws I would email them and thank them for making it impossible to find available real estate. They were only second in helping the movement to the legislators.
Finally I am going to say something I know will cause a fuss. I respect Joe Arpiao for stating if your doing it wrong we will tune you up. I like Joe Arpiao!!! While I would not want to tangle with his posse I respect him greatly. You may not like his position but you always know where he stands. He does not waiver period!! The shire reeves in this country are the only ones standing up to the feds!! We need to stand behind them since they are the only ones with greater power than the fed locally.
Lucius Vorenus
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It was Will Humble that told us to use the "chronic pain" route to get our Depression and PTSD patients approved. You guys seem to forget he has to keep up appearances but I do not think he is against medical Cannabis at all.
Chronicseeker
New Member
Humble actually hired people to help write the initiative, such as reps from Altitude Organics...
Enough said there, AO is a bunch of scammers, they make you pay them to run your business w/o assuming any risk.
when the shit hits the fan they will run with the money and leave clients high and dry.
Oh yeah ALtitude Organics is comprised of some of the big wigs from High Times.
AO understand the importance of having the 25 mile sanction, I'm sure they even helped suggest the final distance. They ran businesses in Colorado which is now considered to be overgrown, see the correlation. Oh yeah remember that 500k loan that went up in smoke between CO and AZ, look into it...
You seem to forget Will Humble was placing medical marijuan in quotations on his blog. Suggesting there is no medical value and pretty much undermining the program to which he is the face. This should help paint a picture of this guy. A patient went on his blog on tore him apart, none the less William doesn't use quotes like that anymore. This action supports the notion that he is straight up against medical marijuana.
It's all the Devils lettuce to the powers the be in AZ.
personified
Active Member
I am stealing your line and adding it to my signature. You get no credit here is your decleration of theft!!!
HB DC
Active Member
Legalization will likely not happen that easy!! I see lifting the criminal aspect of marijuana but not legalization!! Come on now!
Thats like say Corn is not regulated in commercial production! Taxes, licenses, fees, dues, homage...
For personal consumption marijuana maybe decriminalized but legalization! Thats a big step!!
With the new Pres in mexico stating he will turn a blind eye to the drug trade if the violance stops!
This will force US to change our policies so the violence does not come over the border!!
BeaverHuntr
Well-Known Member
Fuck Yeah Dale Denton!
new compassion first
Member
Good to be back. Been on a long family vacation.
Perhaps your lawyers are better than mine, but my lawyers say there is no path to a declaratory judgment to change the 25 mile rule. This is pure fantasy - that any judge would find restrictions on the growing of marijuana to be unconstitutional or somehow otherwise illegal. This is the kind of thinking that can only come from a good sativa. And while i am willing to contribute $10,000 to something that has a chance of success, i'm not willing to waste $10 on a glass pipe dream.
There is a big difference in what I changed earlier by legal action (state administrative rules they added to Prop 203 illegally) and what is in the actual law passed by the people in Proposition 203. The first are issues that can be easily attacked in court, the latter are issues that for practical purposes can only be changed by voter initiative or 3/4 vote of the legislature. Sorry
new compassion first
Member
THIS is how misinformation starts and grows into a legend. Go back and read the post. While prices will be determined by the market - i said COSTS would be above $300 per ounce in the beginning - and they will be because of the fixed costs of start up of a cultivation operation. I did not forecast prices, i forecast costs. Variable costs to produce and sell and pay taxes for medicine are only $160 per ounce or so, but the dispensary will have to bring in as much as $1 million or more over variable costs to cover cultivation start up costs (most will eventually have to buy their buildings). The typical dispensary is likely to be underwater for the first couple of years selling at $300 per ounce. After that point, the dispensary costs drop dramatically and the cost regulation in the market will force prices down.
Chronicseeker
New Member
There is an AZ based company, maybe multiples, out there offering full cultivation setup at no out of pocket cost to operators, they just want to have their growers and medicine in the facility, etc...
What happens when Will Humble hires a moderator, the starting price of up to $500 and ounce, Mr Gaines you personally posted this figure, regardless of your initial investment should theoretically not hold any weight.
It seems Will plans on setting a market value to ensure everyone is operating on the same playing field. Just because someone spent more money than the next guy does not mean patients should be subjected to whatever price solely to help your business come out of the red sooner. There is no problem with making money but at least be honest about the tactics... As I said before, "its your business, run it however you want, not everyone is going to agree with it." If you are spending so so much money on manufacturing, than once again you should really look at how you are producing your medicine. Recently, I heard a possible price of your CFCC AC Unit, I do not want to throw nonfactual info out there but if the price I was told is correct, that would be a good place to start cutting costs, IMO. I could show you three cooling solutions that are probably 10x more efficient and a fraction of the cost. Someone as successful as you should be able to easily acknowledge that there is always room for improvement in every aspect in life. Why not simply strive to have the best gardeners and genetics? Everything else will fall into place with your business background at work behind the scenes..
Let me ask you this:
What if you could double, triple or even quadruple you investment on a pound grown at your facility, would that change your current financial approach?
Do you not already intend on doing exactly that (doubling tripling etc)?
I know a member of you facility who plans on assigning an acquaintance of mine as his caregiver...
This action was spurred almost instantly when the samples were produced, does that tell you anything?
I am not trying to offend you I just think you would be lying to yourself if you did not recognize that CFCC is somewhat behind the curve when it comes to the general knowledge about quality cannabis and its production. You have the resources to open your arms and eyes to almost any service out there, why settle for anything less than the absolute best?
Most likely the 25 mile rule will not get amended in the near future but after the 2012 election, there may be some serious obstacles for dispensaries. Unless the entire AMMA is shut down, patients may hopefully be able to grow again. At the same time, dispensaries need outside producers to succeed, AZ operators just do not realize it yet.
new compassion first
Member
which part of not quoting price is difficult to understand -i did not quote price - i quoted costs - companies offering set up are assuming a building that has been approved for mmj cultivation -that is where your big fixed costs come from. deals for the rest of the fixed costs are available if you commit over a period of time, but that is just doing exactly what i'm talking about and spreading fixed costs over the start up period.
Chronicseeker
New Member
So if you have spent the money obtaining the building, as CFCC has, why not make sure the operation is being run efficiently to help cut your costs. For example using a company that is willing to absorb the equipment costs and possibly even offer quality/ industry experienced growers. Or consulting with people who have actually been in this industry and will tell you not to buy an outrageously expensive AC unit because they fully comprehend the physics of a grow facility and are not just taking a shot in the dark. This will obviously lower the initial start-up costs and be much productive in the sense you will not have inexperienced cultivation managers and so-so genetics.
Have you ever stepped foot inside and operational dispensary and seen how business is conducted, or possibly seen the product they offer. I would venture a guess this is your first rodeo, actions speak louder than words, the learning curve is sharp and throwing money at a project, trying to force it to be successful will only work for so long.
Supply and demand here in AZ is obviously going to be an issue and you want to capitalize on that, good for you, I know you are not the only one of course.
What you have dictated about it being very tough to get a cultivation building up and running makes it very prevalent how important caregivers would potentially be.
The people who cry cultivation regulation as a serious issue for the citizens of Arizona are in this business for the money and they get teritorial about the average growers making a small living. Quality control is another crap shoot excuse, esp when owners could not tell their head from their ass when it comes to quality genetics.
As I said first rodeo.. Just like all the RE Agents in other states, keep spending your money aimlessly without consulting some form of industry professionals. Your "costs" are only going to go up. Maybe something will give down the road after a fair amount of trial and error.
Defend your credentials all you want but I have seen people like you countless times before, luckily we are in a state were MJ has been seriously taboo for quite sometime and many of the patients do not know the wiser.
And you avoided answering my previous production cost questions?
HB DC
Active Member
I don't believe this mate!!!
Maybe if you were looking to just REMOVE the "25 Mile Rule" it would be possible! But if you are trying to throw a few "ear marks" in the mix yes your route would be the only option!!!
What exactly are you trying to change other than the "25 Mile Rule"? Honesty is Golden!
For anyone to believe a potential dispensary owner is For the patients would be ludicrous!! Like you said mate! "Growing then business"!! But wait your business is growing! Like any other business generating revenue is key to success regardless!! Is this not true mate?
$300 an oz is a sham!! You know it and I do! Maybe if you are trying to recoop the initial costs but the operational costs after the initial costs is NO where near your projections!
Hey I could be wrong; Any proof?
Patients shall not be responsible for your initial costs mate! The operational costs is by far less then the initial costs!
I can say!! At this point I feel you are pulling folks by the leg!! Prove Us different mate!!
If you have all this cash to throw around! Getting the "25 Mile Rule" removed shall not be limited to 1 option to achieve success!! NO plan B?
Makes no sense mate!! I may be right or wrong; regardless I smell shit and someone needs to check the bottom of their shoes!!! And take that shit out of here mate!
Do you not realize you are asking every grower to rely on your plan to remove the "25 Mile Rule".. At this point We have no other option!
So I 110% support you Mr.Gaines!
Please don't put us all to shame mate! We will stand behind you if you do the same!! Shall you change your stance and it does not reflect the intent Most believe you are showing; We shall walk away from you! Word of Mouth is the greatest tool!! I see no success to a dispensary owner who plays patients for sheep!!
I would rather have the AzMMJ Act shut down all together than to give monopoly rights to dispensaries!!!
Kindly,
DC
P.S.
If the "25 Mile Rule" is questioned on grounds of other reasons aside from a question of constitutionality, the Court would prefer to rule over such a matter than over a question of constitutionality!
Certainly no authority supports the application of federal rules of severability in the case of a statute invalidated under a state constitution.
If a state court resolution of a difficult and unsettled question of state law would avoid the necessity of deciding a federal constitutional question, federal courts should abstain from entertaining the constitutional challenge unless unreasonable delay would result. Railroad Commission of Texas v. Pullman Co.
Chronicseeker
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http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/had/3169894532.html
Dont forget all the previous trash talking about CL spammers..
LOL, there is a serious dick rider/ hypocrite writing all over the AZ forum.
Enough Said...
Dont forget all the previous trash talking about CL spammers..
LOL, there is a serious dick rider/ hypocrite writing all over the AZ forum.
Enough Said...