Greatest I am
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More Christians have read the Da Vinci Code than the Bible so if they really thought God was speaking to them in their bible you would think they would have read it. Regards DL
Abrahamic cult members only. It is demonstrable that God has to be one of us.
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ricky1lung
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So what does this tell you?
Btw, I have been on topic in every post I have made in this thread.
I quoted you to point out the impossibility in your idea.
Answer this (now I have to be more direct)
How will you get all of these people under the umbrella of one god?
How would your "god elections" be run and how could you possibly keep people
from killing each other in the election process alone?
How will you stop the wars, rape and murder that some followers of a religion (none in specific) are willing
to take part in to fight the other person's and their god's.
eye exaggerate
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This kind of thought is perfectly fine. What I always get stuck on is how 'evolution has opted for' believers and non-believers to be in any part of the world. The world 'grows' those people, no? So, a person is born in an area where 'x' belief is in place within the family's heritage. Does that not say that they were meant to be there and learn the lessons they need for their personal evolution? No group has specifically bred any persons in any place of their preference. It all happens naturally, imo.
Zaehet Strife
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^Agreed
To think an imperfect world will ever be without evil or suffering is idiocy and denial of epic proportions. To imagine all the people in the world will convert and conform to one religion is asinine. Some people want to be "bad." Some just want to watch the world burn, regardless of what they were taught or what society they grew up in. Sometimes something just doesn't grow "correctly" in the brain and people end up as aberrant.
There will always be people who get off on taking advantage of others, or hurting or causing pain to others.
Unless of course science develops away to regulate how human brains grow while developing as a fetus, or we start to grow humans without physical or mental flaws. Which is a possibility, albeit a small one.
Regardless, to live life with the fantasy that all is well in the world is living a lie. All might be well in your world... but not the world in it's entirety. Sometimes the only way to get by is to pretend that evil doesn't exist, or that something, somewhere, somehow will change it for us allowing ourselves not to worry, or to think about the injustice and horrible acts committed around the world every second of everyday. As we sit here on our computers, in our warm houses, with our warm beds, our stomachs full... it slides by our awareness like a drop of oil rushing across the top of a fast moving river.
Out of sight, out of mind as they say.
eye exaggerate
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Ok, so, let's say "God doesn't exist". Who is responsible for that ^ ?
Zaehet Strife
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The human animal family. We all are to take responsibility for ourselves and each other regardless of whether or not god/gods do or don't exist. If we convince ourselves god/gods do exist, at least we have someone or something to blame besides ourselves, rather than take responsibility for our actions, or lack thereof. We can convince ourselves that all we have to do is change our perspective, or procrastinate long enough and some kind of shift in consciousness will happen, that things will change and all we have to do is think positive and wait, rather than take action and do more about challenging the evil in the world.
Easier thought than done.
Kinda like praying for someone, you aren't really doing anything at all for anyone except for yourself... making yourself think you are doing something when really, you're just fuckin thinking. Gaining the emotional satisfaction of doing something without actually doing anything.
eye exaggerate
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I agree on some points. What I've left in your quote is something that I'll discuss.
Having it in your heart to help another person, be it by praying, etc, is very important. We have 4 main elements in the world with consciousness as the organizer of them. So consciousness is a background for thought. 1 - we're conscious 2 - we think we can do / make things with those 4 elements and it ends up getting done with the right amount of work, etc.
I feel the same can be said for prayer or sending good vibes to people. Intent to help is one thing. If you can't physically help someone, you can think (in earnest) about helping someone. Even if you are only 'thinking' about a person you might just come up with a solution to their problem - without lifting a finger. I can say that there have been many times when someone has said to me "I'll be thinking of you" and it made a world of difference.
The world's problems cannot be solved by science alone.
Greatest I am
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Vatican II started a discussion and a Vatican III mightfurther it far enough for a general consensus and rapprochement. Most of thelaws of the various cults are close enough and I would think that for world peaceand a stable economy, people might be convinced to bury the hatchet elsewherethan in each other’s backs. Religions are closer than you think law wise orthings would be a lot worse than they are. You forget that the ultra- right wingsyou seem to think they all are, are just a small fraction of the whole.
Regards
DL
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You forget that most do not follow their Gods at all. They only follow culture, tradition and their tribal natures.
You forget our tribal natures. We can change Gods. We cannot eliminate them as they serve evolution and survival too well.
Have a look at that Dawkins link above. Regards DL
Greatest I am
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Of course it is natural for us to all take the easiest road.So are the wars that follow from our sheepish instincts. Most of us are sheep while few are goats.
The goats are the innovators and end up guiding societiesmore than sheep who are inferior and only good for following.
That is why religions and governments all cater to them.
Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
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Greatest I am
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He is a good man that I find intelligent. We need more like him. Regards DL
Zaehet Strife
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I feel the same can be said for prayer or sending good vibes to people. Intent to help is one thing. If you can't physically help someone, you can think (in earnest) about helping someone. Even if you are only 'thinking' about a person you might just come up with a solution to their problem - without lifting a finger. I can say that there have been many times when someone has said to me "I'll be thinking of you" and it made a world of difference.
I prayed for my father, when i was still seduced with the indoctrination of christianity, i prayed every day for him to come home, to come back to me. I'm not starting a fuckin pitty party, just stating the truth. I can fucking think all i fuckin want to about whatever i want. I prayed for years that when i'd come home from school i'd have every video game i could ever imagine. I prayed for the safety of my friends and family as they died one after another.
Have you ever even dealt with the death of a family member, close to you, or a friend? Have you sat their on their bedside watching them die, knowing nothing else to do but fucking pray, but fucking think and fucking hope that some miracle will happen to save their lives so you can spend just one more minute with them, holding their hand and seeing them smile at you from the bedside?
The fuck do you know about thought effecting someone? Fuck yea, if you let someone know you care about them it will make them feel better, dont get me wrong man. But you sit at the bedside of your grandma, someone who has been in your life and has meant EVERYTHING to you, taught you everything, watching and being able to do nothing but hope and pray, and the only sign you get is death. You fucking tell me again how wishful thinking and hope can change ANYTHING.
Live in your fucking fairy tale, create your own reality for all the fuck i give. I've had to face reality, and death, not just my own death but many other loved ones along the way. My jealousy of your perception of reality is completely revealed, it is completely evident. I wish i could think the way you do, or perceive reality they way you do, but i've seen to much reality to pretend it isn't fucking there. To pretend that thinking thoughts will have any difference in anyone else's lives other than letting them know that i am thinking about them.
Watch your father die, in your arms, then get the fuck back on here and reply to me and tell me thoughts make a fucking difference, because they fucking don't.
Fairy tale land, i wish i could live in it too, i wish i could believe like all those who do. I wish i could lie to myself and tell myself i know but i fucking can't. You got a 1up on me man, good fuckin game.
eye exaggerate
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Strife, yes I have - and I do not need to relive the details here. I think the span of ages on forums can be difficult to asses. If I had posted something like this to GWN, or others like him, it wouldn't jive. They are older than I am so will likely have seen more close people pass on. I hope that makes sense.
Your post sounds like it was seduced with gin, no offense. You're a friend here so I won't comment on 'the fucks that I do or do not know'.
Your post sounds like it was seduced with gin, no offense. You're a friend here so I won't comment on 'the fucks that I do or do not know'.
PetFlora
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This is a real eye opener for anyone who are still question the programming they find themselves caught up in
Anything outside yourself is a diversion set up to get you to give your personal power away.
Jesus said Greater things than these shall ye do, and It is the father WITHIN that doeth the works.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/20/273850/
Anything outside yourself is a diversion set up to get you to give your personal power away.
Jesus said Greater things than these shall ye do, and It is the father WITHIN that doeth the works.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/20/273850/
Zaehet Strife
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My apologies my friend, bad memories.
eye exaggerate
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No worries.
Nevaeh420
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I will volenteer to be the Christ of this new spirituality and you all can be My friends and maybe followers, but I would rather you just be My friends. If I were the King of the world I would implement an online government so all of My friends, like you, could dictate the laws of this world wide government. The online government would solve most of the worlds problems because the people would vote only for the best solutions to all the problems. This online government would be all inclusive for all the countries and there would be great peace and rest, and this is the only way I would rule. That way I wouldnt get blamed for any imperfect laws. The only politicians would be you, the people, but there still would be public speakers because Im not a good enough public speaker. There would still be freedom of religion because I dont want to impose any of My personal beliefs on anyone. My main goal would be to set up a paradise for posterity.
But this could just be wishful thinking but its not a crime to dream. If I were King, I would reward people for dreaming innovations. I may be Chist right now but Im not known. How could I make Myself known so we could all live under My online government that I made up in 2009?
PEACE
But this could just be wishful thinking but its not a crime to dream. If I were King, I would reward people for dreaming innovations. I may be Chist right now but Im not known. How could I make Myself known so we could all live under My online government that I made up in 2009?
PEACE
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