Advanced Nutrients users?

Antitheist · Aug 29, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
I use the whole Soul Synthetics system, by Aurora innovations, with the whole Aptus system, and strictly nothing else. I get some unbelievable results with it. You have to run bright enough lights in order for them to use all the nutrients, but when you do there isn't any better complete system on the market. I have a friend that sticks with Advanced even though he has never had anything better than mediocre results. He won't change you know because of all the rappers that use it, so it must be good. That shit is garbage, it's nothing more than good marketing and a label scam. i operate a small network of caregivers, and we have standards for our grow rooms, and we will not allow our caregivers to use Advanced Nutrients. We are dedicated to providing a better product than Advanced is capable of delivering. You don't just waist money on the nutes, you also waste money you could of made from a better crop, and the money you spend trying to fix the problems caused by using advanced nutrients. But you know, the cool kid on "weeds" used it, so it must be good right? Bullshit. i don't care how many washed up rappers they get as paid endorsers, or how many shitty TV shows their brand name makes it on, the results don't lie, Advanced nutrients are complete garbage. Soul gives them what they need, when they need it, and Aptus helps them use what you give. You need nothing else. I started using Soul in 2010, and have yet to see a better system. People talk shit about bottled nutes sometimes because they are expensive, and they are trying to justify not buying them. Then they use something like Advanced to mix or mediocre results and think all bottled nutes are the same. They are not. And organic is not "the way to go" just because you can't afford bottled nutes. Going organic takes an advanced understanding of botanical science, without that, your just pouring some shit on your plants that you heard worked for someone, one time, long ago, in a galaxy far far away. That will never get you to the promised land of 30% THC and large yields. At least with bottled nutes, the science is done for you, leaving you to follow the feeding schedule and monitor. But i got off track, where was I...Oh yeah Fuck Advanced Nutrients, they are junk....

One of the main things I've learned on this forum and now in practice is that; nutes are nutes. You can get ripped off buying $30 quarts of mostly water if you want. It's your $$ to throw away. It's still just npk and a few other necessary goodies. I can make the same for probably about $1.

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 29, 2018

If you can get my results with 1$ nutes, I would pay you for the formula, so would a lot of folks. Soul focuses on micro nutes as well as major, delivering them in a specific sequence to ensure uptake. You don't get that with a 1$ bottle of home made nutes my friend. They are horribly over priced, but do provide the best plant feeding system you can get. Root lock out is real and easy to do. Thats why you have to give them what they need and only what they need, when they need it. if you can do that with home made recipes then Hydrofarm, advanced, aurora, ect... has a job for you bro. If you send me your formula, I will try it out side by side with Soul and we can see. it would be awesome if you were right! i just don't think you are.

Miyagismokes · Aug 29, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
You don't get that with a 1$ bottle of home made nutes my friend.

That part comes from experience.

thenasty1 · Aug 29, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
If you can get my results with 1$ nutes, I would pay you for the formula, so would a lot of folks.

its not for sale, sorry
i do agree with you that an is hogwash though. shit product, shit company. there are definitely bottled nutes on the market that are decent, but none are cost effective when compared to making your own, nor do they offer the same depth of customization

Miyagismokes said:
That part comes from experience.

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xtsho · Aug 29, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
If you can get my results with 1$ nutes, I would pay you for the formula, so would a lot of folks. Soul focuses on micro nutes as well as major, delivering them in a specific sequence to ensure uptake. You don't get that with a 1$ bottle of home made nutes my friend. They are horribly over priced, but do provide the best plant feeding system you can get. Root lock out is real and easy to do. Thats why you have to give them what they need and only what they need, when they need it. if you can do that with home made recipes then Hydrofarm, advanced, aurora, ect... has a job for you bro. If you send me your formula, I will try it out side by side with Soul and we can see. it would be awesome if you were right! i just don't think you are.

Sounds like something straight from the marketing literature from most all nutrient companies.

Many people mix their own nutes using the same chemical salts and other ingredients these guys use. It's not hard and cost a fraction of the price.

You seem to think that cannabis is some mythical plant that needs fairy dust to grow. It doesn't. It's no harder to grow than other plants and in fact it's much easier than most. The packaging and marketing costs more than the ingredients these companies put in their fancy bottles.

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 30, 2018

xtsho said:
Sounds like something straight from the marketing literature from most all nutrient companies.

Many people mix their own nutes using the same chemical salts and other ingredients these guys use. It's not hard and cost a fraction of the price.

You seem to think that cannabis is some mythical plant that needs fairy dust to grow. It doesn't. It's no harder to grow than other plants and in fact it's much easier than most. The packaging and marketing costs more than the ingredients these companies put in their fancy bottles.

No they don't grow on fairy dust, they use the same nutrients that all plants use, produce the same hormones, and adhere to the same rules of botanical science. They have evolved to prefer nutrients in different concentrations at different stages of development. Do you know what they need in week one? Week two? All the way through week 13? And can you provide that, in the correct concentration levels during the appropriate stage of development, to avoid lockout? No you can't. The confusion is in how easy the plant is to grow. You can give it what ever homemade mix you can concoct and you will get a result. Leave out in the yard and do nothing and you will get a result. Try your hand at imitating the work of a scientist and you get a result. Then you will swear by your results, thinking what you have works, because it does, to a degree. i am talking about coaxing out the upper limit of their genetic capabilities, and that takes hard science, not a blend of any substance you can find that you heard plants use. If you can get my results with cheap home made mixes, then you are missing your calling, you should be selling that. Soul like all others is over priced, and the profit margin is as high as jewelry, over 300% it's a fucking shame, but the good shit, the shit that was formulated by scientists, the shit that works, costs out the ass. Then shitty companies like advanced, make cool looking labels, and bottle garbage. People know in life you usually get what you pay for, so they think advanced is good because its expensive. No one wants to admit they got ripped off, but buying that shit is a rip off. Thanks for saying my words sound like the label wording lol. Thats 20 years of cannabis cultivation and a science degree.

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
No they don't grow on fairy dust, they use the same nutrients that all plants use, produce the same hormones, and adhere to the same rules of botanical science. They have evolved to prefer nutrients in different concentrations at different stages of development. Do you know what they need in week one? Week two? All the way through week 13? And can you provide that, in the correct concentration levels during the appropriate stage of development, to avoid lockout? No you can't. The confusion is in how easy the plant is to grow. You can give it what ever homemade mix you can concoct and you will get a result. Leave out in the yard and do nothing and you will get a result. Try your hand at imitating the work of a scientist and you get a result. Then you will swear by your results, thinking what you have works, because it does, to a degree. i am talking about coaxing out the upper limit of their genetic capabilities, and that takes hard science, not a blend of any substance you can find that you heard plants use. If you can get my results with cheap home made mixes, then you are missing your calling, you should be selling that. Soul like all others is over priced, and the profit margin is as high as jewelry, over 300% it's a fucking shame, but the good shit, the shit that was formulated by scientists, the shit that works, costs out the ass. Then shitty companies like advanced, make cool looking labels, and bottle garbage. People know in life you usually get what you pay for, so they think advanced is good because its expensive. No one wants to admit they got ripped off, but buying that shit is a rip off. Thanks for saying my words sound like the label wording lol. Thats 20 years of cannabis cultivation and a science degree.

Lets collaborate, not antagonize brother. I have been doing this for 20 years, I know I can help you. It sounds like you have some nutrient mixes that might be able to help me. Lets work together...

Antitheist · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
No they don't grow on fairy dust, they use the same nutrients that all plants use, produce the same hormones, and adhere to the same rules of botanical science. They have evolved to prefer nutrients in different concentrations at different stages of development. Do you know what they need in week one? Week two? All the way through week 13? And can you provide that, in the correct concentration levels during the appropriate stage of development, to avoid lockout? No you can't. The confusion is in how easy the plant is to grow. You can give it what ever homemade mix you can concoct and you will get a result. Leave out in the yard and do nothing and you will get a result. Try your hand at imitating the work of a scientist and you get a result. Then you will swear by your results, thinking what you have works, because it does, to a degree. i am talking about coaxing out the upper limit of their genetic capabilities, and that takes hard science, not a blend of any substance you can find that you heard plants use. If you can get my results with cheap home made mixes, then you are missing your calling, you should be selling that. Soul like all others is over priced, and the profit margin is as high as jewelry, over 300% it's a fucking shame, but the good shit, the shit that was formulated by scientists, the shit that works, costs out the ass. Then shitty companies like advanced, make cool looking labels, and bottle garbage. People know in life you usually get what you pay for, so they think advanced is good because its expensive. No one wants to admit they got ripped off, but buying that shit is a rip off. Thanks for saying my words sound like the label wording lol. Thats 20 years of cannabis cultivation and a science degree.

Does soul know what strain you're growing too? I know from experience that different strains need different amounts of nutes different weeks. Hell different plants of the same strain do sometimes.
If you aren't marketing for soul then you have been brainwashed by reading the label. You should have spent that 20 years learning to read your plants. Maybe you wouldn't have to just be a robot following a chart. Maybe you would actually know what you are talking about.

Antitheist · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
Lets collaborate, not antagonize brother. I have been doing this for 20 years, I know I can help you. It sounds like you have some nutrient mixes that might be able to help me. Lets work together...

Try subcool soil recipe for a start. I use a modified version based off what is readily available to me at local brick and mortars. I believe strongly in supporting your local economy so I don't order online unless I have no other choice. I also grow indoors so I mix in smaller quantities. I mix in a pot like this. Makes enough for 3 5 gals or 5 3 gals.

Gotta let it stew awhile before you use it. At least a month. This last round I've only used water to veg. Gonna flip in a day or two.

Miyagismokes · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
All the way through week 13?

Oh, you indoor guys.

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 30, 2018

Antitheist said:
Does soul know what strain you're growing too? I know from experience that different strains need different amounts of nutes different weeks. Hell different plants of the same strain do sometimes.
If you aren't marketing for soul then you have been brainwashed by reading the label. You should have spent that 20 years learning to read your plants. Maybe you wouldn't have to just be a robot following a chart. Maybe you would actually know what you are talking about.

I spent 20 years growing cannabis, reading my plants and doing the science. Your broke ass just can't afford them be serious. "Oh I can just use what they use at home. i have been using soul in practice for almost 9 years. I know what Im talking about, and you know that. I have been brain washed by my results. Almost a decade of using it in practice, the yields don't lie brother. People who can't afford to feed their plants but still want to be considered a pro, people like you, they lie all the time. As far as the strains i use, 9 years of constant fine tuning and selective breeding has given me a complete understanding of what my strains want and when they want it. But you know I get on here for advice from other professionals, not to argue the merits of science with someone that is not a scientist. Do you man, keep on with your homemade handyman mixes. I wish you all the best, but I am not interested in wasting my time through collaborating with you. Do yourself a favour, and ask your friends and family to buy you the Soul system for christmas or your birthday, or maybe you can save your change, or get a paper route? then use it next some plants that have your handyman special as food and enjoy the epiphany. Don't mean to sound harsh, but come on man, don't say I don't know what I'm talking about, just because you can't afford what you need. PEACE be unto you brother.

Miyagismokes · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
the yields don't lie brother

So, you don't think you can do better?
You've hit the ceiling?

I'm not trying to kick a hornets nest, since you seem mad.
I'm not implying your love of Aurora's products is faulty, nor the products themselves, but....
You yourself said people find a way, and they think it's THE WAY. You're sort of in that position right now. But anybody who has spent time here can see that you can grow fabulous weed using just about anything.

BigHornBuds · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
I spent 20 years growing cannabis, reading my plants and doing the science. Your broke ass just can't afford them be serious. "Oh I can just use what they use at home. i have been using soul in practice for almost 9 years. I know what Im talking about, and you know that. I have been brain washed by my results. Almost a decade of using it in practice, the yields don't lie brother. People who can't afford to feed their plants but still want to be considered a pro, people like you, they lie all the time. As far as the strains i use, 9 years of constant fine tuning and selective breeding has given me a complete understanding of what my strains want and when they want it. But you know I get on here for advice from other professionals, not to argue the merits of science with someone that is not a scientist. Do you man, keep on with your homemade handyman mixes. I wish you all the best, but I am not interested in wasting my time through collaborating with you. Do yourself a favour, and ask your friends and family to buy you the Soul system for christmas or your birthday, or maybe you can save your change, or get a paper route? then use it next some plants that have your handyman special as food and enjoy the epiphany. Don't mean to sound harsh, but come on man, don't say I don't know what I'm talking about, just because you can't afford what you need. PEACE be unto you brother.

20 year ehh. Me too
Care to back up your claims with some pics of these plants .
I can grow monsters with anything, nutes are nutes n megacrop is simple n cheap, and the results speak for themselves.

Yodaweed · Aug 30, 2018

BigHornBuds said:
20 year ehh. Me too
Care to back up your claims with some pics of these plants .
I can grow monsters with anything, nutes are nutes n megacrop is simple n cheap, and the results speak for themselves.

I would agree with this statement, nutrients are nutrients you can grow monsters with pretty much any type of nutrient as long as the plant is fed it will grow.

Antitheist · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
I spent 20 years growing cannabis, reading my plants and doing the science. Your broke ass just can't afford them be serious. "Oh I can just use what they use at home. i have been using soul in practice for almost 9 years. I know what Im talking about, and you know that. I have been brain washed by my results. Almost a decade of using it in practice, the yields don't lie brother. People who can't afford to feed their plants but still want to be considered a pro, people like you, they lie all the time. As far as the strains i use, 9 years of constant fine tuning and selective breeding has given me a complete understanding of what my strains want and when they want it. But you know I get on here for advice from other professionals, not to argue the merits of science with someone that is not a scientist. Do you man, keep on with your homemade handyman mixes. I wish you all the best, but I am not interested in wasting my time through collaborating with you. Do yourself a favour, and ask your friends and family to buy you the Soul system for christmas or your birthday, or maybe you can save your change, or get a paper route? then use it next some plants that have your handyman special as food and enjoy the epiphany. Don't mean to sound harsh, but come on man, don't say I don't know what I'm talking about, just because you can't afford what you need. PEACE be unto you brother.

I never said anything about money other than you are throwing away $30 a quart on mostly water. You have no idea of my financial situation. Don't pretend too.
You seem to think you know exactly how many molecules of this or that your plants need meanwhile you're just dumping bottles of junk on them.
You're a joke man

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 30, 2018

Miyagismokes said:
So, you don't think you can do better?
You've hit the ceiling?

I'm not trying to kick a hornets nest, since you seem mad.
I'm not implying your love of Aurora's products is faulty, nor the products themselves, but....
You yourself said people find a way, and they think it's THE WAY. You're sort of in that position right now. But anybody who has spent time here can see that you can grow fabulous weed using just about anything.

Your exactly right. I am looking for the ceiling. i haven't got to 30% yet, but I get close. i try other ideas, products, and companies all the time in a corner of my room, and in the last 9 years I haven't found anything better than Soul. You have any ideas? In 8 weeks I start a new cycle and need some new ideas to experiment with. I have high hopes for what is in now, Afghan Hash plant, and Wifi, with better bulbs than I usually run / increased light intensity / CO2 tanks / so i am hoping to get something special with this run. If you have an idea on how to improve my nutrients please let me know brother. Thanks for the help.

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 30, 2018

Yodaweed said:
I would agree with this statement, nutrients are nutrients you can grow monsters with pretty much any type of nutrient as long as the plant is fed it will grow.

You can grow monsters with anything. For sure. But you can't reach the upper limits of their genetic capabilities with just anything.

BigHornBuds · Aug 30, 2018

Third Coast Cultivators said:
You can grow monsters with anything. For sure. But you can't reach the upper limits of their genetic capabilities with just anything.

Let’s see your plants
Put up or shut up.

I have no problem showing you what you learn after you know it all is what counts .

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 30, 2018

Antitheist said:
I never said anything about money other than you are throwing away $30 a quart on mostly water. You have no idea of my financial situation. Don't pretend too.
You seem to think you know exactly how many molecules of this or that your plants need meanwhile you're just dumping bottles of junk on them.
You're a joke man

I don't pay 30$ a quart, I buy it by the gallon, the only joke in this thread is your wallet bro. I'm making a flickr account for pics, as I write in many forums. Give me until the end of the day to get the account together and I will show you some pics of results you will only see in pics in your lifetime. I have a dry erase board I will write your name on, and include in the pics so you know I just took them and they are my pics. Then I will accept your apology for your disrespect, and I might even help you to improve your broke grow.

Third Coast Cultivators · Aug 30, 2018

BigHornBuds said:
Let’s see your plants
Put up or shut up.

I have no problem showing you what you learn after you know it all is what counts .

How do you post pics on here? it looks like you have to provide a link to them? I'm making a flickr account today for pics. I'll write your name on a dry erase board and include it in the pics. Getting big healthy plants is easy. Thats not what I am looking for. I am trying to get the upper limits of their genetic capabilities. That means as much production as their genes allow them to produce. Do you consistently get 30% No you don't, but in their genetic code lies the necessary components to reach and even slightly exceed 30% Thats what I am trying to get to. 30% consistently. i'll have pics for you later, try not to steal them and say they are yours. lol

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