America, the only country to use nuclear weapons. Did they save lives?

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abandonconflict said:
Your "military family" was a bunch of indoctrinated chauvinists. I have read enough books including books on MacArthur to know "Ole Dugout Doug" was opposed to the nuclear strikes because he favored the terms that the Japanese favored (which ultimately were the terms agreed upon) for surrender, before the battle of Okinawa and the nuclear strikes. The history you have read is the revisionist one. I suggest you learn another language and study history as all history written in English is questionable. All history written in English that does not conform to the American right wing agenda is called revisionist.

I hope this runs directly counter to the views you seem to hold sacred. You've been duped.
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Beyond dumb. Delusional and ridiculous.
 
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Grandpapy said:
The killing of innocent civilians is wrong and I feel slightly less then whole for tiring to justify it.

On the other hand, My Grandfather was a POW in Indonesia and he wished they dropped it sooner, as it was he was held until it was discovered that the war had been over for months.

The Japanese where good at what they did. Torture and Kill.
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Of course it's wrong but not always avoidable.
 
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Rob Roy said:
I agree with your sentiments about killing innocent civilians. I've read that the Japanese wanted to surrender and simply keep their Emperor as some kind of figurehead. FDR didn't want that, he wanted an "unconditional surrender" . Some think FDR also used the nuke as a way of displaying to the Russians the U.S. new toy and military might at the expense of innocent Japanese citizens.
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I dunno, every documentary I've seen, they say the Japanese refused, then again they prolly just wanted to keep the little details about that part, but they always say they refused and that's why the bomb was dropped, and they started using comicosies because they were getting desperate.
 
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abandonconflict said:
Your "military family" was a bunch of indoctrinated chauvinists. I have read enough books including books on MacArthur to know "Ole Dugout Doug" was opposed to the nuclear strikes because he favored the terms that the Japanese favored (which ultimately were the terms agreed upon) for surrender, before the battle of Okinawa and the nuclear strikes. The history you have read is the revisionist one. I suggest you learn another language and study history as all history written in English is questionable. All history written in English that does not conform to the American right wing agenda is called revisionist.

I hope this runs directly counter to the views you seem to hold sacred. You've been duped.
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To my above post, I think the Japanese documentaries about the war would be a whole new color, everyone wants to paint their country in the right.
 
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kelly4 said:
I remember watching films of Japanese civilians jumping off of cliffs because they thought the American monsters were going to rape and eat them. If given the chance, most Japanese civilians would have slit your throat...
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I remember that too, and they would hide in dens with soldiers and would refused to come out because they said this. So we had no other choice but to flame throw and blow them up. We begged them and gave them many many opportunities.
 
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curious2garden said:
I didn't read it. I lived it. Your self-serving assumptions,ie about the number of languages I speak, my family being chauvinists (where did THAT come from), and what I do or do not hold sacred tell me quite a bit about you. Further your immediate descent to the ad hominem attack tell me you do not have the facts to engage in the logical argument in a reasonably adult manner.
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You didn't live it. Your husband lived it and your "military family" lived it. That is all I need to know about your values. Dime a dozen. Makes me sick, tired of hearing it. That culture offends me. I reply in kind. It all bullshit folks and it's bad for ya.
 
abandonconflict

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"The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.

In [July] 1945… Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. …the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude."

Newsweek, 11/11/63, Directly quoted from Eisenhower's own words.
 
abandonconflict

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"The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender."

Admiral William D. Leahy in his memoirs
 
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"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war."

Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz speaking publicly October 5th, 1945
 
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