Another Critical Blow to ObamaCare

see4 said:
Interesting you mention that, funny thing is, as it turns out, there are fewer people getting rolled off their insurance plan this year than the past few years consecutively. As a percentage, roughly 70% of current insured this year are being rolled off or have chosen a new policy, compared to over 80% last year. [pre obamacare]
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Do you understand that insurance companies are cancelling all the individual policies they are offering statewide. This has amounted to millions of people being uninsured in mass. This has not happened before regardless of how much you want to distort history.
 
NLXSK1 said:
Do you understand that insurance companies are cancelling all the individual policies they are offering statewide. This has amounted to millions of people being uninsured in mass. This has not happened before regardless of how much you want to distort history.
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Perhaps, but all of those people now have an option and now those who could not afford insurance at all can get it, and those who had pre-existing conditions where thrown out of any available alternative can get it as well. On the whole it is a good thing.
 
Ummm, mine didn't get cancelled!!! I am self employed and pay for it myself!! It does not include maternity and all the bull shit either!!! The ones that are getting cancelled are total bull shit and the Insurance companies are taking advantage of the new laws which is exactly what I though would happen!!!
 
OLD DUDE said:
Ummm, mine didn't get cancelled!!! I am self employed and pay for it myself!! It does not include maternity and all the bull shit either!!! The ones that are getting cancelled are total bull shit and the Insurance companies are taking advantage of the new laws which is exactly what I though would happen!!!
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Mine was because it did not include mental health. Of course the insurance companies wrote portions of the new law AND had years for their lawyers and smartest folks to come up with ways in which to use this change to their advantage.

If you look at the unsubidized premiums you will see horrendous amounts of money. The plan most akin to my old one was over 300 dollars more than I paid a month, the deductable was higher and the out of pocket was higher. On the other hand mine had a yearly cap and a lifetime cap, these don't. I can imagine someone who winds up topping a couple of million in a year or two being very thankful they have a plan that reduced their total out of pocket to the deductable and their monthly premium.
 
NLXSK1 said:
And now we get to pay trillions more...!!!! And you just cannot understand why we are not exctatic... And we wonder why you are not committed...

It goes round and round...
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Trillions? where? and if we do, where do those trillions go? back into the medical community and then back into the country as a whole, including being taxed and the taxes going back to the government. Hell, at least on first blush even the insurance companies only get to keep 20 percent of what they collect.
 
canndo said:
Perhaps, but all of those people now have an option and now those who could not afford insurance at all can get it, and those who had pre-existing conditions where thrown out of any available alternative can get it as well. On the whole it is a good thing.
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There can't be that many unable to catch the American Dream. Is it possible most are instead, unwilling?
 
Canna Sylvan said:
There can't be that many unable to catch the American Dream. Is it possible most are instead, unwilling?
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I doubt it. You are claiming that there are millions of lazy people, most of them are working, some two jobs perhaps. Unwilling? Is that really your supposition? that anyone who cannot afford insurance is simply unwilling to put out the effort? A family of 4 making 40k between the parents are unwilling to do better?

What you are proposing is fomenting class warfare, is it not?
 
canndo said:
I doubt it. You are claiming that there are millions of lazy people, most of them are working, some two jobs perhaps. Unwilling? Is that really your supposition? that anyone who cannot afford insurance is simply unwilling to put out the effort? A family of 4 making 40k between the parents are unwilling to do better?

What you are proposing is fomenting class warfare, is it not?
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Quite the opposite, I'm a revolution of one. If I can succeed, anyone can. I went from a lonely existance to grabbing my own loving family with a dear, caring beautiful wife, and darling kids. Opportunities are there for everyone, so keep a sharp eye.
 
There are only so many jobs and opportunities that provide, or pay enough to purchase quality health insurance!!
 
canndo said:
Beenthere? why exactly are you so gleeful that people are not able to get healthcare? Why are you seeming to celebrate the fact that millions who do not have it, who need it, who have existing conditons, who have not been able to afford it, who are, in one way or another either quetly terrified or smply hopeless. Why is it such a celebration on your part that common, deserving folks are not able to get the care they need?

I just can't figure that out. You seem like a reasonable and compassionate person and yet you (and some of the others), not only don't seem to care what happens to your fellow americans, you are rejoycing in their misery.
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Canndo, you are mistaken here.

I am not gleeful that people are not getting healthcare, far from it.

That fact that the government is shoving this POS law that forces me to purchase a product or service I may not want, down my throat just burns my ass. And before you call me greedy, I pay enough in income taxes right now that could go towards paying for the people who truly cannot afford their own healthcare insurance. The problem with that is. the government wastes that money on crap they feel is more important, bottom line.

Another thing is, I know the government won't stop with Obamacare, once they get their hooks in, it's going to be one mandate after another, I say thanks but no fucking thanks.
 
NLXSK1 said:
And now we get to pay trillions more...!!!! And you just cannot understand why we are not exctatic... And we wonder why you are not committed...

It goes round and round...
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exctatic?

was that really your best try at that one?

:lol:

:clap:
 
by the way, OP, you're not using "critical blow" correctly.

a "critical blow" sends a boxer to the canvas.

this is more like a continuation of empty headed, moronic right wing bitching.

you're welcome for the lesson. i find that right wing morons can often use a little help from liberals.
 
OLD DUDE said:
Ummm, mine didn't get cancelled!!! I am self employed and pay for it myself!! It does not include maternity and all the bull shit either!!! The ones that are getting cancelled are total bull shit and the Insurance companies are taking advantage of the new laws which is exactly what I though would happen!!!
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If you don't have maternity care on your current policy, it's inevitable you policy will end, the insurance companies are mandated by federal law to cover it. Of course the insurance companies are taken advantage of it, why do you think they all got behind the bills passage, Obama is a corporate whore, just like the last ten presidents before him.
 
UncleBuck said:
by the way, OP, you're not using "critical blow" correctly.

a "critical blow" sends a boxer to the canvas.

this is more like a continuation of empty headed, moronic right wing bitching.

you're welcome for the lesson. i find that right wing morons can often use a little help from liberals.
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Dude, being a grammar nazi is for girls and lil sissies.

I finished college (unlike you) with a BS in business, if I would have been that concerned about my spelling and grammar, I'd have pursued useless degree in english or literature .:oops:
 
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