Are there any religious tokers out there?

if you wish to believe in a myth, then do so, i sure as fuck do, but trying to convince others that your myth is fact is a fools errand.

further, if we used tesla's ideas, we would all get free electricity and a giant fat electicity tax regardless of useage. plus we would all be riddled with cancers, radios wouldnt work, and computers would never have been developed.
When you counter my points you tend to use a "all or nothing" assumption and that is hindering your ability to garner any fair points I may make. I tend to speak on a "what I know, and what I dont know but what if" basis. Meaning I give facts, then I remove myself own person opinion from the fact and leave it to stand on its own.

Take my quote you took interest in. My first part was fact. The second sentence was a "what if". Then in the second part I stated an opinion (used probably) and then I enforced my opinion with a fact (unless anyone else discovered A/C that I am aware of).

So my myth of, things are normally supernatural until we realize that they are natural, is an opinion. However it is an opinion that I have based in hundreds of years of human history. So better yet my opinion if formulated properly could be seen as a theory. Im sure if you were in ancient Rome and told someone its a material called "plastic" that would house a battery, and be able to project your voice into someone else ear, thousands of miles away, you'd probably been seen as crazy.

Yet, we have pretty much discover cell phones, tv, automobiles, submarines, airplanes, and nuclear explosions (I refuse to call our crude attempt at nuclear power, energy) in that LAST 100 years. Honestly, we have evolotutely leaped in our lifetimes as humans.

So it's my humble opinion that their is no super natural, only natural. Now if you want me to go any further unless youre gonna have to give me some sort of class credit.
 

NietzscheKeen

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We ARE already riddled with cancers and it would be nice not to have radios and computers. Hopefully phones wouldn't work either.
 

Dr Kynes

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When you counter my points you tend to use a "all or nothing" assumption and that is hindering your ability to garner any fair points I may make. I tend to speak on a "what I know, and what I dont know but what if" basis. Meaning I give facts, then I remove myself own person opinion from the fact and leave it to stand on its own.

Take my quote you took interest in. My first part was fact. The second sentence was a "what if". Then in the second part I stated an opinion (used probably) and then I enforced my opinion with a fact (unless anyone else discovered A/C that I am aware of).

So my myth of, things are normally supernatural until we realize that they are natural, is an opinion. However it is an opinion that I have based in hundreds of years of human history. So better yet my opinion if formulated properly could be seen as a theory. Im sure if you were in ancient Rome and told someone its a material called "plastic" that would house a battery, and be able to project your voice into someone else ear, thousands of miles away, you'd probably been seen as crazy.

Yet, we have pretty much discover cell phones, tv, automobiles, submarines, airplanes, and nuclear explosions (I refuse to call our crude attempt at nuclear power, energy) in that LAST 100 years. Honestly, we have evolotutely leaped in our lifetimes as humans.

So it's my humble opinion that their is no super natural, only natural. Now if you want me to go any further unless youre gonna have to give me some sort of class credit.
uhh number one, tesla was all about Direct Current, not Alternating Current. Edison was the proponent of Alternating Current.

secondly, tesla's main proposal was not Direct Current either, his Big Idea was to "broadcast electricity" over radio waves, which means intense electromagnetic fields EVERYWHERE and induction coils to gather that radiation and convert it back into Direct Current...

thirdly, as i attempted to explain, but you obviously didnt get, ancient myths are not a supernatural explanation, they are an incorrect explanation based on "supernatual" thinking. the adherents of course do not believe that their ideas are "supernatural" at all, they think that is simply "How Thing Are". this is faulty thinking and faulty logic, but not the deliberate obtuseness of modern somewhat educated (hopefully) western thinkers who deliberately and obtusely insist that the earth is six thousand years old, and that evolution is a trick of the devil to test their faith.

fourthly, if one CHOOSES to accept things which are by their very nature unprovable, entirely subjective and easily just the fabrication of the mind, by wishful thinking or a desperate need to believe, then one is engaging in deliberate self delusion, or they are being deliberately belligerent and daring anyone to say nay. (which is easy to spot when phrases like "there is no god but god, and mohammed is his prophet" pop up) these sorts of challenges are just an attempt to start shit, just before the provocateur cries racism, or bigotry and plays the victim.

Fifthly, if you cannot accept that your myths (and mine) are MYTHS and thus part of our social and cultural background but NOT the solution to the worlds problems, then you are one of the world's problems.

Edit: it has been brought to my attenction that i have edison and tesla revereds regarding Alternating and Direct current.

Edison was the DC Dingleberry, while Tesla was all about AC in his insane plot to reduce the human race to sterility by bathing us in his massive radiation fields.
i have no excuse for my error, and throw myself on the mercy of the collective.
plus i am pretty high right now, but my cat says that's just a bullshit justification, and i should take it like a man.

my cat's a dick.
 
uhh number one, tesla was all about Direct Current, not Alternating Current. Edison was the proponent of Alternating Current.
You know the good thing about being wrong? Is that you never ever have to be wrong again.

Edison carried out a campaign to discourage the use[SUP][26][/SUP] of alternating current, including spreading disinformation on fatal AC accidents, publicly killing animals, and lobbying against the use of AC in state legislatures
 

Dr Kynes

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You know the good thing about being wrong? Is that you never ever have to be wrong again.

Edison carried out a campaign to discourage the use[SUP][26][/SUP] of alternating current, including spreading disinformation on fatal AC accidents, publicly killing animals, and lobbying against the use of AC in state legislatures
already noted and corrected. the classy thing would have been to let it go at that.

i note that theres no snappy comeback to the remainder.

targeting one technical error which has already been corrected does not invalidate the meat of the argument. at best it is a distraction.
 

Bear Country

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You know what i hate more than anything, as an Atheist, i have read the bible front to back multiple times... and 99% of every Christian i have ever met has never read the entire thing, or lies about reading the entire thing, which is sin in itself.

Please, familiarize yourself with your faith if you wish to be a true follower of a certain religion. But like i said before, Christians usually take the parts out of the bible that they like, and ignore the rest, in order to justify their behavior in the eyes of the lord.





" I'm really confused with your post....for several reasons....First off.....are you a christian??? Second....Do you smoke weed?? Third....If you do smoke weed.....after reading your post....how do you justify the fact that you smoke. I see that you have been a member since 2010 and you have 2502 posts.....were all those posts about the Bible or were you discussing smoking Cannabis and growing Cannabis......after you answer my questions....I have a few more questions for you ....if you dont mind...K "







Thessalonians 5:6-8 - Being sober is the opposite of being drunk and is associated with being alert and watchful.


Peter 1:13-17 - Be sober, gird up the loins of your mind so you can avoid lusts and be obedient and holy. This requires being alert.


Peter 5:8,9 - Be sober so we can be on guard for the devil, resist him, and not be devoured by him. Realizing how dangerous Satan is, we should keep our minds clear so we can recognize his deceit and resist his temptations.


Corinthians 9:25-27 - Bring our bodies into subjection to our minds, exercising temperance (self-control) like athletes in training, so our bodies will be properly guided by our minds.


Proverbs 4:23 - Keep your heart (mind) with all diligence because it must decide the issues of life.


Struggling against evil is difficult and dangerous at best, even with the clearest of faculties. That is why God has forbidden intoxication. There are other ways to violate these principles, but drug abuse is surely one way.
Please respond K
 

Dalek Supreme

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And with all that electricity we aren't using on other stuff...

Miracle heaters for all!
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They just make the wood shell.

There is a sect called "Mennonites" I believe the name is,that use electricity.

I could be wrong on the name,but I have been over there houses with full electric,and rigged turn signals on there horse drawn buggies....LOL

True story........
 

kushhound187

Active Member
I am a jew. i have tattoos, a no no, and i smoke weed(a grey area in judaism ), just becaause i have tattoos and smoke weed dosent make my belief any less valid, or make me less off a jew. and personally, i feel that ganja makes god more accessable to us. why the hell would he want to hear from a bunch of sniveling whiners when hes given us such a thing as ganja, to make us happy, and pain free. im sure cannabis was in the garden of eden, where else would it have come from? im sure if he has to listen to us, he would rather hear us happy, and enjoying everything he has given us.

and as far as marijuana and christians, that was something the started after the 30s. they demonized it. they also led many to believe marijuana made mexicans fierce and dangerous, and used the predjudice against black folks and claimed ig made black men rape whit woman. now that is just dumb, as nobody gets like that off weed. its all just racism at its finest. ignorance. remember, before the 30s, cannabis was a widly used medicine, and textile. and is one of the 50 essential herbs in chinese medecine. all this religous invovement in cannabis is just another misinformation campain to mislead. Started to keep cannabis, and all who serve her in shackles and chains.
 

Bear Country

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Hey Bear...You can end the debate just by visiting the top link of my signature.
I reviewed the page and I am familiar with the info you have posted on there.....I just couldnt resist asking Zaehet Strife how he/she justifies everything they say but yet contradict everything they supposedly believe.....soooo...How does that work????? LOL.....ya...i guess its pointless to go down this rabbit hole!!
 

Dalek Supreme

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I reviewed the page and I am familiar with the info you have posted on there.....I just couldnt resist asking Zaehet Strife how he/she justifies everything they say but yet contradict everything they supposedly believe.....soooo...How does that work????? LOL.....ya...i guess its pointless to go down this rabbit hole!!
LOL!!! Yes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTUAj00pSZY

My point is that it is all made up anyway.

Just take alcohol/cannabis in moderation,and if you think something is harder is needed then seek proffesional help.
 
already noted and corrected. the classy thing would have been to let it go at that.

i note that theres no snappy comeback to the remainder.

targeting one technical error which has already been corrected does not invalidate the meat of the argument. at best it is a distraction.
No snappy comeback to the remainder cause you're an ideologue.
 
already noted and corrected. the classy thing would have been to let it go at that.

i note that theres no snappy comeback to the remainder.

targeting one technical error which has already been corrected does not invalidate the meat of the argument. at best it is a distraction.
But here you go, you could have accused me of a red herring at that point. You didn't. Snappy comeback complete. Seriously man, I hold no ill will. I haven't smoked in three weeks. It's wearing on me.
 

kpmarine

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They just make the wood shell.

There is a sect called "Mennonites" I believe the name is,that use electricity.

I could be wrong on the name,but I have been over there houses with full electric,and rigged turn signals on there horse drawn buggies....LOL

True story........
I know they only make the shell. The misleading marketing has always amused me though.
 

Dr Kynes

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No snappy comeback to the remainder cause you're an ideologue.
i am not an ideologue, i am open to many ideas, but those already proven to be BULLSHIT get short shrift from me, and christianity/judaism/islam are one of those thing already proven to be BULLSHIT.

ideologues believe something and insist everyone else believe it too, that would be YOU, not me.

i keep my beliefs to myself mostly, but you cant even keep your bullshit pseudocristian bullshit out of your login ID

your "i dare you to say something about christians' attitude is palpable, and like most christians, you are either a major hypocrite, or you simply dont see the glaring errors ommissions and falsehoods in your beliefs.

those who embrace the kind of christianity you have professed, ie: based primarily on apologetics and word-lawyering their magic book into any meaning desired, are usually assholes who want to belong, and run with the pack claiming to be christian for the social benefits, but in fact rejecting all the rules that makes being a christian more than just saying you are one.

in other words, a televangelist.
 
i am not an ideologue, i am open to many ideas, but those already proven to be BULLSHIT get short shrift from me, and christianity/judaism/islam are one of those thing already proven to be BULLSHIT.

ideologues believe something and insist everyone else believe it too, that would be YOU, not me.

i keep my beliefs to myself mostly, but you cant even keep your bullshit pseudocristian bullshit out of your login ID

your "i dare you to say something about christians' attitude is palpable, and like most christians, you are either a major hypocrite, or you simply dont see the glaring errors ommissions and falsehoods in your beliefs.

those who embrace the kind of christianity you have professed, ie: based primarily on apologetics and word-lawyering their magic book into any meaning desired, are usually assholes who want to belong, and run with the pack claiming to be christian for the social benefits, but in fact rejecting all the rules that makes being a christian more than just saying you are one.

in other words, a televangelist.

Geez you stupid.

Ideologue doesn't mean you're not open to ideas, it's means you're u compromising in your beliefs.

An adherent of an ideology, esp. one who is uncompromising and dogmatic: "

and dogmatic

Inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true: "he gives his opinion without trying to be dogmatic".

www.thefreedictionary.com/incontrovertiblyin·con·tro·vert·i·ble ( n-k n tr -vûr t -b l, n k n-). adj. Impossible to dispute; unquestionable

see, that's my point. You speak as if every word you say is true, even when you are wrong. That's makes it impossible to have a conversation. So when I called you an idealouge, I wasn't saying that you are just an slave to an ideology, I was saying you're uncompromising in your beliefs, with principles you believe to be factually true, and you've never even taken the time to question your own beliefs because to you they are facts.

See, just calling you an idealouge was way easier.

^ all that. I'm pretty sure you missed the point so I basically added that for everyone else to read.

Back to you and your factual opinions that you are wrong about again (similar to the whole Telsa fiasco you subjugated yourself too).

genesis is more than just a book in the Judaic tradition dumbass (excuse me for the name calling everyone but I'm being provoked).

Genesis | Easy to understand definition of genesis by Your Dictionary
www.yourdictionary.com › Dictionary Definitions
An example of a genesis is when a project starts.


Im sure even you can understand that now, my name means, the beginning of a new project. Why else would someone who's never been on this board now suddenly be on this board at the end of winter months?


First thing you thought, is that in my assumed Christian beliefs I have (lol btw), that I'd find the book of Genesis to base my faith on. Lol. And name myself after that book.

If I called myself ProgressiveGrower would you assume I was an weed insurance salesman?

Man, please stop. I can only laugh at you so much before it becomes rude.
 

New Age United

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And if so, how do you justify it since according to Christians marijuana is a temptation from the Devil.
I'm sorry, I mean no offense to this what so ever, but I like to believe that JC smoked herb himself, I gaurantee he did, a Christian chick once slapped the hell out of me bc I said this LMAO
 

Granny weed

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I am a Christian I haven't read the bible from cover to cover and I don't go to church, and I do smoke weed along doing other things that would probably count as sinning, but that doesn't alter my faith or make it any the less strong. I know what I believe I don't need to tell everyone or pretend I have read the bible, I am happy with my faith it keeps me feeling safe and unafraid of death, I am far from perfect and I will admit it and I think it is better to be like me than be a vicar or priest who hides behind their religion and abuses little children. Most people are sinners we have no choice sometimes in this world, but just because you sin doesn't mean you don't believe you may not follow your religion to the book but faith is faith and if you have it you are halfway their.
 
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