greenghost420
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grab a syringe filter and chuck the coffee filters
BHO with Vacuum oil/wax tutorial
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openhorizon
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I appears that I need to read up on winterizing and polar extracts. Sounds interesting. I see a road trip for Everclear in the future...
zpfunk
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Hypothetically i have been at this purging thing for some time, and still having that goo forever problem pop up once in a while, VacPro seems to have mastered bringing goo back from the depths, but you also vac for a loooooooooooooooooong time, and i imagine if i were to have hypothetically been doing this for any length of time, i wouldnt be used to vacing for more than 2 days to achieve any consistency... so to speak.... so if it were a week i would usually give up when i have a wet puddle of hopes and dreams on a cloud of degrading parchment. How are you doing this, not in all of my days have i been able to return forevgoo into something stable...hypothetically speaking...
Twitch
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how hot are your temps when purgeing? if your oil goes over about 150... its goo forever
zpfunk
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150?? ppl do that? nah jk, i have personally never seen temps above 138 again(and 138 is rare and usually accidental because i nodded off) once i finally realized what i was trying to achieve by vacpurging instead of just doing what i thought i had to do, and actually got down to the science back in the mityvac mason days. I can get it to a double boil at between 112 and 118 every time inside of the VC, but this time it just wants to goo up, its still grainy and bubbling, but when i up the heat it goes back to poop. Im running it with no heat and trying the fold and hold to see if i can get any results...Hypothetically speaking that would be the situation... if there was in fact a situation at all 
zpfunk
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Does anyone know what causes the oil to honeycomb/crumble we need to get to the bottom of this so we can fight this war for health and purity with at least 1 eye open... *sigh*
Is it exposure to the air, is it the heat, is it the isolation of the triches from the moisture in the oil, is it wtf is it??? I think we need to take a second here and toss around our theories until we reach an agreed upon method based on the things that work for us all. Once we got that down, it would by nice to then all try to do the same "exact" process with as few variables as possible.
For instance, we all set aside 1oz of medicine (doesnt matter what strain or return we get, this will be the variable that we want to stress with this test.) and then those with vac chambers will run them at the same settings and with the same methods, so that way we can try to pinpoint a "standard" and toss away our theories. That would then allow us to isolate those instances where we dont get the results we were looking for.
Is it exposure to the air, is it the heat, is it the isolation of the triches from the moisture in the oil, is it wtf is it??? I think we need to take a second here and toss around our theories until we reach an agreed upon method based on the things that work for us all. Once we got that down, it would by nice to then all try to do the same "exact" process with as few variables as possible.
For instance, we all set aside 1oz of medicine (doesnt matter what strain or return we get, this will be the variable that we want to stress with this test.) and then those with vac chambers will run them at the same settings and with the same methods, so that way we can try to pinpoint a "standard" and toss away our theories. That would then allow us to isolate those instances where we dont get the results we were looking for.
qwizoking
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"hey qwizo what do you feel is the most effective way to evaporate the iso/etoh after youve washed and filtered? thanks."....well ethanol and iso both evaporate at similar temps 173 and 181 degrees Fahrenheit respectively.. so most effective is vacuum over a hot water bath. But I personally never heat my extracts at any point. I use a fan to help remove the saturation layer..lack of heat in my opinion improves the consistency and viscosity of the oil. While removing the least amount of terpenes.....about the waxing and stuff, I personally don't approve, not knocking anyone's stuff but if you've purged all the butane or whatever solvent you use, continuing to vacuum will only remove stuff I want. Thc is a terpene like pinene or myrcene anything that harms flavor effects potency as well. Their boiling point isn't that much higher than the liquids your vacuuming off. So leaving in the chamber to wax for a week severely effects potency as well as flavor.. light is thc and other terpenes worst enemy in degredation, heat isn't that big if a factor in degrading terpenes but will evaporate them.. studies have shown frozen oil degrades at nearly equal rates to room temp oil. Oxidation and light being biggest factors....that's my opinion hope it was clear...
Twitch
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LMAO, you read this thread right.... we have been trying that for a year and still have very few facts... the oil is like a women, fickle and mysterious but if you treat her just right she will put out
zpfunk
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Yeah, but we have all been trying our own methods and pretty much sticking to them. what about the cross over... more controlled experimentation
zpfunk
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I never whip, i go from scrape, to parch, to VC, to shatter, then i fold and pull to get my crumble/honeycomb, i dont trust that whipping shit... would be nice to have some whipped stuff lab tested against the same batch that hasn't been whipped but still crumbled up from the long purge and see what the differences are.
Twitch
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actually i think we all have modified our personal techniques after being on this forum and talking with each other...
and i dont trust the whipping either, and i am sure a few others will agree, but what you have described is basically what we do. The variables that we have found that directly effect the oils ability to wax is how long its been off the plant and how it was stored... then the actually vacpurging process the main variable is temperature....
zpfunk
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Dont get me wrong, i do understand that this very thing has been happening over time, i read every page on this thread over the course of like a week or 2, so to me it seems like the progress was quick, a lot of things i can agree with, and a wealth of information being shared. This kind of trial and error does not come cheap either. So you must understand that i am not down playing the progress that has been made. more so just wondering if anyone would be willing to try to do a mirror run, im talking same temps, same heating method, same amount of time purging off tane initially etc, based on who got a cookie last... can it really be that random, or is it just that old shit takes way longer than fresh new shit (which it seems is the case)... blaaaahhh i dont know anymore what am i even talking about anymore...*sigh*
cant stop... wont stop ... ehh ehh... ehh ehh
cant stop... wont stop ... ehh ehh... ehh ehh
Guzias1
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My theory....
Under straight vacuum and heat. No whipping.
You need to go by bubbles. I think with the correct temp/vac at different stages will eventually produce honeycomb.
I am going to try a run soon here just like so. No folding. No whipping.
As for whipping. It seems the right heat and twirl motion whip up your batter.
I bet you could blast a bunch of oil into a large bowl. Mix with a cooking mixer. And come out with buddercomb. Shoot. I wanna try eet
vacpurge
New Member
didnt you read bubblemans high time article that was posted... dental pick with a drill... I got the dental pick, I got a drill, I got about 15 grams of old oil/reclaim in a dish. all im waiting for is to stumble upon one of those tiny stainless steel dipping dishes... fill that bad boy up with oil, warm it up, and spin that drill for mins and see if I can make a puck like budderman. or budder king, or bubbleboy, whatever the fuck his name is.
Guzias1
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been a while ! freaking tube!!!!!!!! i was only about 25% done :[
this current run has been a pain..
first off, did not have enough cans of tane ready :[ so it dropped me back a day +1 day
2nd ! on my third packing, i hear a tinyyyyy crack, and what ya know!
+1-2 days
its time for an upgrade. getting some stainless steelies
along with a heatpad/stirrer :]
then i gotta winterize, and ya, +4 days
over 3 days of head ache, along with extra days of winterizing..
freaking tube!!! i think that is the 4th time ive broken this same tube
vacuum truck in real life!!!!
this current run has been a pain..
first off, did not have enough cans of tane ready :[ so it dropped me back a day +1 day
2nd ! on my third packing, i hear a tinyyyyy crack, and what ya know!
its time for an upgrade. getting some stainless steelies
along with a heatpad/stirrer :]
then i gotta winterize, and ya, +4 days
over 3 days of head ache, along with extra days of winterizing..
freaking tube!!! i think that is the 4th time ive broken this same tube
vacuum truck in real life!!!!