I had to stress my plants last year to get some males. I guess I had 15 plants starting to flower, and topped the living shit out of all of them but the 4 CP plants. I got two males that I used, Slo1 and GV5, and one that I didn't. One of the 12 that finished, Slo3, had one set of pollen sacks on an otherwise fully budded female. I had already got her good with the Slo1 pollen when I saw the sacks. I pinched them off and dug her up and moved her to a new location. I'm treating the seeds from her with kid gloves. The last thing I want is to continue a line if it has a Herman problem. I do have some of the seeds sprouted, and about half of them have a crumpled leaf. They are also much slower growing than the Slo2 seeds that I sprouted at the same time. I've culled them back to two plants, {one straight leaf and one crumpled leaf} but I do want to grow them out and see what they do. I'm going to pair them with plants I don't have a high regard for though.