Cali connection seeds what the deal

I've got 6 pre bubba fem in veg ATM. All seeds germed within 24 hrs ( though most of my seeds do ) . And they grew vigorously through the seedling stage. That is the extent of my experience with CC gear but here is my journal if you care to follow along..

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/489525-all-organic-pre-98-bubba.html

eyeslow999 said:

k what are the chem 4 og's the ones from the expo, are they the same as the chem 4? If so why would you do this? i have 1 nice larry fem going, the chem 4 fem,2 reg jedi, and some tahoe fems i will document them here. I had alot of runt seeds fom cali connection, mainly from his feminized stock. So maybe i can trade my remaining fems in or regs since these problem seem to be re occurring.

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will you replace or trade in the fem packs i ourchased or not! stop "swerving" away from my questions. Man up you fucked up again! answer my questions im more than 2k invested in the cali CON-nection i think i deserve some answers

they say chem 4og. which means they are Chem 4(clone only X sfv ogk f5). they are not the same as the chem 4.. if you read up on the chem 4 its a bx1 to the chem 4 clone( so the chem 4 make up is chem 4 X chem 4 og(chem 4 leaning pheno male)...... thats why its chem 4 not chem 4 og...2 different strains. all together....runt seeds are you talking smaller seeds size? thats due to calyx size and i use 1k lights to make seeds but will be moving to 4-600's to allow for a larger calyx to develop thus making larger seeds. as the smaller seeds are due to compact tight nugs they grow in... instead of airy spread out calyx's...

i dont know what people spend so and saying you were Con'd into something is funny as noone put a gun to your head and made you purchase anything you made the choice to buy them off of good report so how were you con'd, if you dont mind me asking?

and you want me to replace seeds because you dont want them or like what you read from people who have no experience with them half the time.? how can i do that when you got them from a retailer. i dont know who ordered what and from where.... so you would have to go to the retailer and ask them to replace the seeds because you dont like them...cuz that makes sense...you say your growing some and they are doing good yet you dont want the seeds...

look i will replace any seeds that have issues due to the seeds ie if you have fem seeds and got males i will replace them no questions asked just show me proof ie the male fem and the packaging.... you got hermies that are purely genetic show me the packaging and bam... you got shit germination rates that are justified not my cable box got to hot, i will replace them.... you just have to contact me via email or pm and we will work with you as long as your cordial and can back up your claim....dont be a dick and dont come with just a sentence proof is in the pudding.. so if you think i dont send replacements try me!!!

Swerve, i'm just a nobody grower but your table side manner needs to move up a bit if you don't want this to explode. You sound like a good guy with a great head on your shoulders and you've come a long way, don't blow it because you let people piss you off the point that your focus is to ensure you "top" them and instead just take the punches and explain what you do and why you do it. You'll get much better results I think if you go instead into your strengths and not into attacking as a means of defending yourself. For example what IS going on wrong and what are you doing as a business owner to Right it? What have you learned from the situation? I got a lot of your gear so I hope its as good as it should, luckily I got all regs, but then again it may not be as big a deal as people are making fems seem. Focusing on that and whats going on and why things may occur may be a better strategy. I want to see you succeed man, you have come a long way, learn and teach.

Swerve said:

look i will replace any seeds that have issues due to the seeds ie if you have fem seeds and got males i will replace them no questions asked just show me proof ie the male fem and the packaging.... you got hermies that are purely genetic show me the packaging and bam... you got shit germination rates that are justified not my cable box got to hot, i will replace them.... you just have to contact me via email or pm and we will work with you as long as your cordial and can back up your claim....dont be a dick and dont come with just a sentence proof is in the pudding.. so if you think i dont send replacements try me!!!

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I know you mean well but I'm going to be pretty blunt. Its your tone. Your tone may just cost you your business over the next six months. I've witnessed the reactions to the posts by your company and the results have been people turning on you. I see it on facebook, i see it here on RIU, and i'm seeing it online with growers I talk to. You are becoming the new charlie sheen or pee wee herman of the cannabis world, the people everyone loves to hate. The reason is simply your online TONE! I want to see you succeed and I know my bluntness may have shut down you listening to me already, but I think i'm giving you pretty damned important business advice if you want to succeed over the long term.

Eat Crow. When people call you names take it apologise that you can't find common ground and move on. You don't ever want to win an argument against a customer. Think about it, what good does that do for future sales to win against a customer in an online argument? the average reader will see themselves in the shoes of the people attacking you because they too are the growers. You need a company meeting where you need to sit down adn let everyone know you will A) Improve your breeding techniques and document them so everyone can see for themselves how legit you are, and B) change your online presence and tone so that you all have the correct voice of the company moving forward. Seriously you guys are on the edge of Cali Connection ending badly if you don't work quick on fixing your image. You may want to consider a publicist.

Please forgive me if I hurt your feelings or come accross as over reactive. but this is what I see and i'm an old fucker who has seen a lot of businesses rise and fall. You sir need to make company changes or your company will go the way of the dinosaur.

BTW your buddha Tahoe OG looks fantastic.

Here's my experience with Cali Connections Sour OG. WTF freaky strong shit. I popped 5 seeds, 4 plants were lookin pretty good. I kept the one that got heavy earliest, and now am finishing em out in soil floweing for only 5 weeks and 4 days. The 2 most recent clones to go through the cycle were transplanted into 10 liter pots with fox farm ocean forest, and switched from 24 hrs light to 12/12 on 11.03.11. They are flushing this week and will be cut on 12.13.11. Granted the plants arent huge, im cutting 1 or 2 each week and getting 2-3 oz each with only 1 600w hps and 8 flouro bulbs for cloning/veg. Frosty thumb sized nugs for days. And not too much work for trimming. Also, 100% clone success so far with just using ocean forest soil some cloning hormone powder and a little spray spray with some seaweed water. Starting to dial in the days with good scientific records, thinking of letting one go for 8-10 weeks just to see what happens. Also, thinking of xbreeding this easy early clone with something to improve the flavor. The flavor of Sour OG is very much like the classic Diesel flavor, I prefer a more piney, grapey, cotton candy flavor even cheese is better flavor than diesel! These seeds were from a packet bought at a dispensary in Cali somewhere, given to me by a buddy.

And I would like to make a big point here that I think needs to be heeded by all: Ganja isn't supposed to make you unhappy. It isn't supposed to cause problems between people. Even bagseed can produce KRON we've all seen it. Ganja is to help us to chill and to help us have a happier life, I am truly dissapointed by all the fussin.

And finally, I know everyone will say "oh there's no way its harvesting that quickly" well I'm still a little suprised too. I prob could let em go longer but half the hairs are orange and they are sticky stinky and frosty.
I have no stake in said seed company this is just my experience. Been enjoying this strain for 1 year, totally without breaking the law the whole time Thanks you intelligent voters!

Anybody got any comments?

Something about leopards and spots, tardis. Frankly, I think the guy should get off the internet altogether, and get a public relations person into the CC fold, pronto, to handle this whole shitstorm. If that gets done from the start, this blows over in a day and nobody knows any better. Swerve should retreat to his laboratory/comfort zone to straighten the hermi/male issues out, and trust in some smooth talking, stroker to sooth the hard feelings.

steampick said:

Something about leopards and spots, tardis. Frankly, I think the guy should get off the internet altogether, and get a public relations person into the CC fold, pronto, to handle this whole shitstorm. If that gets done from the start, this blows over in a day and nobody knows any better. Swerve should retreat to his laboratory/comfort zone to straighten the hermi/male issues out, and trust in some smooth talking, stroker to sooth the hard feelings.

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I disagree. I think for his business to weather this he needs to come out strong showing his breeding techniques, especially if he does new ones making changes to better quality. At this point I think Cali Connection needs to make some public relations to show their superior breeding techniques (or seeming better breeding techniques). I mean i'm not saying they need to do anything different in actual breeding if it isn't that bad, but they do need to seem to show quality through technique to save a scarred image.

steam you couldnt be more right as im a grower not a public relations person.... we are really looking into this to see wtf happened..as i have about 50 chem 4 fems going right now as those seem to be the biggest problems... all i can do is research and offer to replace my fuck ups... so let me make things right with those that hate me and my gear and make you a believer at the fact we got the best dank in the world....just gimme that chance

You've had many chances. Time and time again you've promised replacements and not come through. Trawl the forums to find many accounts of this. We remember the posts in the deleted threads where you were foul mouthed and rude to people. You're only playing nice now because your company is burning.

Does anybody believe a word this Swerve guy says? I sure as hell don't.

I got Faith in ya Swerve! I havent had any probloms with your gear and i have alot going Jedi,Julius,Chem Valley, Alien Dawg,A Mixed Pack and Deadhead No Probs!! So call me lucky or whatever but im having good luck with his gear ! I also plan on gettin that New Budda Tahoe Og so i can get a free pack of OGiesel from the Tude. Again I'm Not Tryin To Stir The Pot Or Anything! Oh and Swerve I have a question for you can you point me in the direction of locating the Grass Knuckles strain im really interested and am having troubles locating it in seed or clone any help would surfice Thanks Swerve! Peace

Well, to me he's been backed into a corner, and came out swinging, probably a bit too hard. He lost his cool, but the dude has some scrappy-doo in him. Now, the corner may have been of his own making, but I don't blame him for having fight. I do blame him for having no tact whatsoever.

tardis: Sure, I think CC should show some re-dedication to fixing the problem, and swerve could/should say something, but the majority of CC relations with the public should not be made by him. Especially not on internet forums.

It's hardly come full circle (which would actually mean that CC was disgraced, returned to grace for a time, then came full circle back to disgrace). So I think you mean it's gone 180 degrees. Anyway, I'm just saying the dude has tact issues and therefore shouldn't be publicly representing his company on internet forums (tip: use the pm feature to respond to those complaining). But if you want the complete expulsion of the guy from the scene (witch hunt) then I suppose any stance not precisely that would seem to you like a reversal of things.

i was happy with the tahoe og i got... the smoke was bomb... the plants were weak and leggy at first though.... and i only got one female from 6 plants

The best dank in the world is a very very large statement. I would think there is still a large amount of worked to be performed by CC to get to the point of having the " worlds best dank". Just cause you win a Cannabis Cup does not mean anything to anyone outside of the events. Many people hold no regards to "cannabis cups"...there is just to much bias in those areas to actually get any judging done.

Im starting to believe that the heckling of CC is more to do with Swerve as a person ( srry dude u carry yourself rather lamely) rather then his genetics. I believe the proof is in the nuggetry and they will speak loudly, and for themselves. There is no need for swerve to try and explain this that and the other. Let the plants be the voice. It may also get some of the bad heat off you and your genetics and onto just you.

I think whats best for any person to do in regards to CC is to simply think for yourself. Read these threads and take from it what you will or want. Its up to the grower to see through the clout and to make a choice. In the end if you buy this gear...and it was not what you thought you were buying...Its ON THE BUYER. Just cause swerve swerved his way to your wallet with slick language does not make him wrong. I have yet to see him put a gun to anyone's head.

**Lastly, and a word of advice to all. Please don't be foolish and believe this young person has the worlds best dank, or even the finest compiled cali genetics. How do u live in Amsterdam yet have the best cali has to offer? I live in NY yet have the best amsterdam has to offer is no different of a mind trek. I assure you, thats a rather close minded statement, and full of shit. Sure he might have good and even great dank, but its not the best. Its at best, a condescending person doing some rather lame chest pounding.

Cheers Mofo's...Cheers!

By full circle I meant that he now appears to have swung public opinion/sympathy back his way. I see what you mean about 180 degrees. However, you know what I mean too. Yes I would like to see the outright expulsion of Cali Con from the med community. I wouldn't have the same anger towards him if he went for the teenager/closet grower market instead of chasing the med scene. He is a proven liar and a faker. I'm a Scottish guy now living in Cali. I was one of the people that got burned back in the THCFarmer days. Swerve said he'd replace the packs in PM's. I sent pics and an order number as requested and received sweet FA. This was about two years ago now. We've had this before. It's easy for him to make public promises and then ignore PM's. I agree that if the Cali Con wish to continue then Swerve shouldn't be the public face of the company. But, the whole med community would be better off if he just packed his shop up and left breeding to those who - A, can do it and B, give a shit about the sick and ill people who have chosen natural remedies and treatments for their ailments. Here's a q&a for Swerve. Is it true that you have males in fem packs? Is it true you have herms across the majority of your lines? Is it true that people have found auto's in many of your strains? Is it true that you've been foul mouthed and rude to people who've reported problems? Is it true that there are a lot of outstanding replacements from as far back as 2 years ago? Is it true that there are people who complain of ignored pm's? Is it true that 2emeRep worked for you and you did not pay him and left him stranded in Amsterdam after he'd sold seeds in 3 languages for you at the Cup? (I was at the Cup and spoke to C) Is it true that you use prostitutes? We all know that the answers to the above are yes (except possibly the prostitutes bit, 2emeRep made that claim but, you seem like the type to me...). Since the answers are yes to the above q's then expulsion from the med scene is the only acceptable result. This isn't a witch hunt. Witches aren't real, Swerve's problems are. The expression "witch hunt" comes from medieval Britain when many INNOCENT women were executed for witch craft. Swerve is not innocent and therefore the term "witch hunt" is not applicable and is in fact a misrepresentation of what is happening here.

who cares if he uses prostitutes lol wtf

how old are you 12...? It's none of your damn business