Farmer Bean
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Totally
Canna coco??
Drewdash420
Member
Do you use any perlite mixed with your coco? What ph do you usually water with? Thanks for the info.
Drewdash420
Member
So do you buffer it with cal mag and if so how much?
twentyeight.threefive
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I have used perlite up to now. As I said the last two plants I finished, one had perlite and the other didn't. The one without perlite finished just as good if not better than the one with perlite.
I feed at 5.8pH start to finish.
getogrow
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Why do you follow me around arguing with nothing to back it ? I got this info from YOUR POST. you cited some bullshit to prove it was inert and your citation proved it has lots of food in it. it not inert. AT ALL. It holds food and a ph. thats not inert.
Its time for you to do some research on the shit you are preaching.
Where did you even read it was empty ? "zero food in it " is just ignorant as hell.....READ SIR!!!
Star Dog
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No I haven't ever buffered canna but the buffering solution I have used on brick coco is 15ml per gallon.
Fwiw If I use calmag in my nutrient it doesn't work my plants look poorly @0.2, it's not a given that you'll need calmag in your nutrients.
Idk if that's due to canna having enough or my water supply though I'm sure someone will know?
twentyeight.threefive
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I'm not following you around, get off your ego train. I corrected your wrong information you posted.
If it was precharged with food like souls then you'd water it with plain water for 3 weeks until the food supply ran out. That's not the case, you also fertigate coco, start to finish.
Go eat a Snickers.
Farmer Bean
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Ecs
I think the point being here is coco does not break down quickly enough actually add any relevant amout of nutrition in comparison to the salts that its acting as a substrate for. The natural cec of coco is higher than a media such as Rockwood which IS inert. So it holds onto mineral ions better and appears as if it has its own nutritive qualities. It does but seems pretty nominal to me.
lusidghost
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This actually happened yesterday with my mid sized veg plants. I've been feeding them super light and they've been telling me they were hungry for the past week, so I was gradually increasing the dose. I never really measured the runoff until recently, and now I can see the benefit of steering the plant before she shows physical signs.
getogrow
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Im also not talking about the coco itself breaking down. im talking about the bit of food it has in it unless its washed. The way it comes. I dont recall everything in the test but it was fairly high in K and lots of other minerals. It is NOT a balanced diet for most plants so it will need to be addressed immediately with other food like N but it is not "clean" .....it has food in it AND it holds a ph ..... Real inert media does neither.
EDIT:The CEC of coco alone should tell you its not inert.
Farmer Bean
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Yup. Ec comes out lower because they are eating everything.
getogrow
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This is my only point. im not trying to say coco is like soil and can feed your girls everything they want. Im only saying that it has food in it if not thoroughly washed.
lusidghost
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I'm for flushing prebuffered coco. I've been using prebuffered coco cubes, and I would just hydrate them before transplanting. Then I would flood them in trays. I noticed that my plants were looking a little sad, so I decided to flood them with a top feed. The runoff was clear up until that point, but when I flushed them it came out brown and had a way higher EC. Since then they've looked super healthy.
lusidghost
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I used to only check it when I had an issue. Now I'm checking every feeding. I might slack off a little once I feel I have it locked in, but it seems like a really good way to keep your plants happy. I changed up my nutrient line from Canna AB to Mega Crop to Jacks, and it's been a challenge feeding them properly. Canna was great, but expensive and annoying compared to powdered nutrients. Jacks seems to be about as good as it gets.
Farmer Bean
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Sodium and potassium I thiiink.... Canna claims they do the washin.
Farmer Bean
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Do you top feed?
Drewdash420
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Thats what I heard. And it would make since that some guys have a lower ph during later veg or so on. If not buffering with some sort of calmag every now and then.
getogrow
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I have no idea about the calmag doing anything to help remove p an k besides the obvious. Flushing with calmag will rinse out most of the extra pk.
My understanding is that it needs a certain amount of cal/mag or both to "stablize the coco" Something about the coco grabbing the calmag ions and not releasing them to the plant because it needs them to stay "stable" .......but once the coco is "full" of calmag then it will feed your plant like any other medium.
Obviously im not scientist so im not explaining this worth a fuck but im trying. The word "stable " is used loosely because im not sure the correct term for that.
lusidghost
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I'm not sure what you're asking.
*Oh never mind, you sneaked that in right before I quoted it. I wasn't until I noticed the difference. I've been top feeding the vegging plants since then, but I've flooded all of the way through my current grow that I'm about to chop. I have a unique setup of coco cubes formed into a bed, so flooding was the easiest way to water them. Now I'm starting to reconsider that strategy.
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