Caregiver Seeking New Patients in Crystal Falls, Iron River, Iron Mountain (U.P., MI)

I love how everyone that rails against selling to patients automatically assumes that the seller has overages. A real grower can stage his grow so he doesn't have overages, and doesn't have to flirt with the gray areas of the law.

No, YOU want him to GIVE the meds to the patients and sell the overages to cover his costs.

Tell me, what specifically legal avenue does anyone have to sell pot in this country without a registered, carded patient? What wording in the law specifically says "Hey y'all, dispensaries are legal! Sell all the dope you want to them!"

Some of you geniuses even WANT them to sell to the dispensaries. Who the hell do you think those guys sell to? Street buyers??? So, it's okay for a dispensary to jack up the price by more than 100% and sell to patients as long as a handful of private caregivers are handing it out for free?

Sounds to me you're just trying to make yourself feel better because you know that, at the end of the day, you're no different than the jackasses the DEA carts off for having 200 plants in some backwoods trailer that barely manages NOT to burn down. You just try to play the Robin Hood card so you don't have so much mud on your face.

The list of fails.

1. I'm not against charging patients.
2. A real grower can get more then 2 oz's a plant.
3. There were several options offered that could reduce running costs.
4. Right where it says a caregiver is allowed to assist in the "medical use" of a qualifying patient.
Medical use meaning the "acquisition", delivery or "transfer" of marijuana ...
5. The dispensary or other caregivers paying for the grow op is better then the patient paying for all of it.
6. Just because you were slinging mud doesn't mean it ever hit the intended target.

Total fails, 6

Seriously? You're going to take it to this level, huh? Okay.
1.)

Buddy Ganga said:

You are not a

CAREgiver​

, you are a papered drug dealer like the rest of the like minded people out there.

And save your bullshit inflated costs for your potential victims, I mean patients.

I just bought a 1000w set up a few days ago, 1 dimmable lumitek ballast,($299) 1000w ousio bulb.($105)
And a raptor hood ($202)
With tax it was only around $630... .LMAO......

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Forgot your own words, did you? You were arguing against this man's justification for charging patients, therefore, against his right to charge patients. How's your convoluted logic sound now that it's aimed back at you?

2.)

A real grower can stage his grow so he doesn't have overages, and doesn't have to flirt with the gray areas of the law.

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Implied in the quote. Are you really that blind?

3.)Opinions are like noses. Everyone has 'em, and rarely do they fit anyone but the original owner. Grow up.

4.) This establishes what? That you can quote a random passage from the law? Your words here...

Right where it says a caregiver is allowed to assist in the "medical use" of a qualifying patient.
Medical use meaning the "acquisition", delivery or "transfer" of marijuana ...

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are exactly what I said here...

Tell me, what specifically legal avenue does anyone have to sell pot in this country without a registered, carded patient?

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without a registered, carded patient Blind again, are we?

5.)So, you really ARE saying that I can sell to a dispensary that will dole out my mmj for something around $300/oz or more, and give me around $250/oz for it, but I am WRONG for selling the same mmj to MY patient for what I get in the WHOLESALE MARKET??

6.)Nah, my mud hit the target alright.

Slow down on the chronic, man. You're slipping.

Forgot your own words, did you? You were arguing against this man's justification for charging patients, therefore, against his right to charge patients. How's your convoluted logic sound now that it's aimed back at you?

1.)Thats your convoluted logic asshat, not mine.
Where/how did you get "against his right to charge patients" out of "arguing against this man's justification" ?

2.) I read whats written and leave the failure of implying to asshats like yourself. (see above failure)


3.)That's just a fail all the way around. I mentioned other ways but your stuck on the semantics of transferring to dispensaries.

4.) Actually I was replying to this comment:
What wording in the law specifically says "Hey y'all, dispensaries are legal! Sell all the dope you want to them!"
(try keeping up with the conversation)

5.) What I said is , there are many ways for a caregiver to re coup their growing costs so the patient isn't left footing the bill.
(if you choose to stick with only the dispensary aspect, that's your problem not mine, refusing to acknowledge the other options I posted shows your motives/ limited intelligence)

6.) Mud ? Now it's just childish bullshit Skippy, and the funniest part is, you're the only one with shit on your hands.

1.) Really? Okay son, we can play pretend. I'll even pick you up a little tinkerbell doll for when you play Peter-Pan in the sandbox.

2.) That's why guys like you are a defense attorney's wet dream.

3.)

I mentioned other ways but your stuck on the semantics of transferring to dispensaries.

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Hmmmm...that sounds a lot like this dipshit that keeps coming into people's threads and trashing them for charging for medical pot. Oh wait! That's YOU!

4.)

I didn't miss anything man, I don't waste my time reading entire bullshit posts and claims.

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Really? So what you're saying is that you really don't know half of what you're arguing against OR REPLYING TO? Thanks for sharing, son. That'll make it easier for EVERYONE to deal with you from now on.

5.) No, what you said is

The dispensary or other caregivers paying for the grow op is better then the patient paying for all of it.

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. Damn son, your daddy didn't learn you no better than that?

6.) It was childish the first two times you jumped into someone's thread and started flaming them and anyone with the balls defend them. Now you're just making yourself look ignorant.

I really didn't need to take it that far, though. You've made it perfectly clear that you don't know what half the people in here are talking about to begin with. Next time you want someone to waste their intelligence to give audience to your bullshit, try NOT telling them you aren't paying any attention to what they say. Makes the audience a BIT more attentive.

Winter,

As so as someone says "So what your saying is" they become irrelevant.
As soon as someone comments about someone's parents they become irrelevant.
As soon as someone connects "arguing with someones justifications" with "being against someones rights", they become irrelevant.
As soon as their end of the conversation starts avoiding questions and replying with childish bullshit, they become irrelevant.
As soon as someone has to "sound bite" your posts from other conversations, they become irrelevant.

I'm sick of this nonsense. It doesn't matter how many different ways we argue this topic, the facts are the facts, and if you're caught selling to a dispensary that gets busted, you're going to be in front of a judge too. That's likely to be the doings of the DEA, at that. So, in reality, it won't even matter what our state thinks because the feds trump us and our state will roll over and offer us up like sacrificial lambs rather than risk doing something the voters would actually respect them for. Go ahead and take all the risks you want. Just don't come crying with your "OMG! I got busted with too much weed, but I was on my way to a dispensary. What should I do???", to those of us who tried to warn you that the system was built to be against you from the beginning.

All I can say is look around there are caregivers that offer free meds. I think a caregiver should be someone who is also a patient. People feel like there being taken advantage of. I mean you get to grow 12 of my plants, and if grown right will produce alot of meds. And to charge someone that much money for a oz is just ludicrous! How would it cost 395 dollars a OZ? Lets see I just found some blueberry seeds 10 for 60 dollars 5 free. I find a 1000 watt light for 290 on ebay. And my elictric bill is tops going to be 250 a month. POTS!! FERTZ!! SOIL!! I will add on 400 dollars I will even through in a few $100 for just because. It will be about 2000 dollars For your first grow. Now keep all that in mind 1 oz = $395 you get 2.5 off each plant now take 2.5x395=987.5x12= $11850 So you just made a profit of $9850 in 3 months Thats if you do as you say and sell every bit to your patients. To me this sounds like a business, and that is against the law....

free med to my patients @ an oz a month Its their card and their plants I am growing, its always free

abudtokr said:

All I can say is look around there are caregivers that offer free meds. I think a caregiver should be someone who is also a patient. People feel like there being taken advantage of. I mean you get to grow 12 of my plants, and if grown right will produce alot of meds. And to charge someone that much money for a oz is just ludicrous! How would it cost 395 dollars a OZ? Lets see I just found some blueberry seeds 10 for 60 dollars 5 free. I find a 1000 watt light for 290 on ebay. And my elictric bill is tops going to be 250 a month. POTS!! FERTZ!! SOIL!! I will add on 400 dollars I will even through in a few $100 for just because. It will be about 2000 dollars For your first grow. Now keep all that in mind 1 oz = $395 you get 2.5 off each plant now take 2.5x395=987.5x12= $11850 So you just made a profit of $9850 in 3 months Thats if you do as you say and sell every bit to your patients. To me this sounds like a business and to the law that is against the law....

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I get what you're saying, and for my part, I'm not knocking the people who give away free meds. Only those who do it and demand everyone else do so as well.

LOL at the responses to this thread! Having a caregiver does not entitle you to free meds. Some caregivers and patients may work that deal out that's their choice. If you want free meds grow them yourself.

Its give and take. I get the ability to grow my patients meds and the ability to keep them supplied for as long as I am their caregiver. they get an oz free every month and a small fee after that oz, with medibles and experiments free as well when available. I farm out the overages to other caregivers in our group and recoup my money that way.

Potential caregiver (solo grower) seeks patients to pay my bills.

I've read a lot of books, and have a couple of seeds.
All I need now are a few people (5) willing to pay for my equipment, rent and car payment so I can stop looking for a real job.
I've got it all worked out so you will only pay what I need to cover my lifestyle for the month.

Anyone dumb enough to fall for this should send me a private e-mail .
A bitch slap and kick in the ass will be sent as a reply as soon as possible.

LordWinter said:

I get what you're saying, and for my part, I'm not knocking the people who give away free meds. Only those who do it and demand everyone else do so as well.

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If you dont offer free meds and charge outrages prices are operating a dispensary out of your home... I dont see where it would hurt to give a free ounce to there patients, how much do you smoke really? I mean you got some blueberry skunk how much would you smoke. Ya it gets you high as you want but taiste soooooo good. Your going to keep smoking. I DO! That free ounce is going to get smoked up fast. Guess who will be back to get more in a week. I mean really I can easily smoke a 1/8 a day. With them numbers I would be back in less then a week. If you charge 150-200 for every oz after the first free one you will make your money back easy. PLUS if your not a patient you get to smoke for free. I dont think people should give all there meds away for free I just think there should be a insentive to let you grow my plants because we all know there is money to be made why else would people do it.

Ahhh more of this caregiver to caregiver, caregiver to dispensary, caregiver to random qualified patient bs. Makes me giggle inside. (im actually kind of sick of you thrashing my thread)

Even though I already made this point some of you decided to look right past it so i will try to RE-educate again..

Right from the michigan medical marijuana website: BOOYAH!!!
"Question: I am too ill to grow my own medical marihuana. What can I do?
Answer: The MMMA provides for a system of designated caregivers. The caregiver can acquire 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana and grow up to 12 marihuana plants for a qualifying patient. The caregiver may assist up to 5 patients. The caregiver must sign a statement agreeing to provide marihuana only to the qualifying patients who have named the individual as their caregiver.
kiss-assBOOYAH!!

Whats that mean?? If we can understand English... Oh Yea! I remember signing that I will provide only to my (5) patients. Shoot, you mean that paper i signed to be your caregiver will stand up in court if i sell outside my 5 patients?? The state has my paperwork on who is and isnt my patient? You mean I cant sell to others and call it a trade for donations? But but... awww...

" I hope the DEA and LEO dont find out im selling illegally to others. But i think if I sell my patients plants illegally for my bigger profit and knock on people who follow the law and make no profit but charge their patients to cover the grow bills, I'll be good." (This is what you sound like)

Oh and BRAVO "abudtokr"
"His post"

How would it cost 395 dollars a OZ? Lets see I just found some blueberry seeds 10 for 60 dollars 5 free. I find a 1000 watt light for 290 on ebay. And my elictric bill is tops going to be 250 a month. POTS!! FERTZ!! SOIL!! I will add on 400 dollars I will even through in a few $100 for just because. It will be about 2000 dollars For your first grow. Now keep all that in mind 1 oz = $395 you get 2.5 off each plant now take 2.5x395=987.5x12= $11850 So you just made a profit of $9850 in 3 months Thats if you do as you say and sell every bit to your patients. To me this sounds like a business and to the law that is against the law....

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You think my charge is $400 per ounce? You're nuts!

and you're imaginative whole grow op was $2000? What a joke lol sounds like your growing some real medical ditchweed to me, and for $2k invested have fun buddy. Especially the light on ebay, does it flicker like most chinese bulbs? Those cause herms which cause seeds. You provide seedy meds? Or did you not learn anything from all the millions of books out there? Or are you using a 1000 watt light that actually gives out 800 if youre lucky. hahaha eBay for lights. you make me laugh. People these are the "caregivers" you put up with. Basement grows that are simply put a joke.

P.S. Someone asked me how i get clones in an earlier post... i dont know. How can I get clones without breaking the law and purchasing them from someone im not registered as a patient to? I know, i can trade for donations right? You would want me to right? Actually, like I said before I am a medical grower, which means, i know how to clone myself, omg magical right? JK I wish them to hop off my mother plant and they jump right into the rockwool after dipping themselves in solution! What a plant!

I am so sick of the people on this thread who push free meds so they can exploit their patients and sell overages that shouldnt exist it for MAJOR profits. I can guarantee you that everyone apposing my thread saying they give away free meds are not living in the UP and are in lower MI, and they sell overages for profit.

**** If there is ANYONE here who GIVES THEIR PATIENTS FREE MEDS AND doesnt sell to other patients, caregivers, or dispensaries PLEASE fill me in (retired millionairs dont count). If not, I am not interested in your illegal activities even if you havent been arrested yet for them****

Benefits of having a professional caregiver:

• No worry about plants
• No worry about plant health and quality (sickness, disease, thc %)
• Medicinal Grade every time Guaranteed
• No worry about robbers
• Minimal worry about law enforcement
• No need to water, transplant, clone, etc.
• No need to rent space or use space in your own home
• No additional bills and payments
• Sit back and enjoy your finished meds.

If I personally didnt grow I would gladly pay for my meds as long as i know they are quality. Face it, not a single patient has come forth on my thread to say, "My caregiver is a bad person who rips me off by charging me for my meds" further proof that only growers looking to justify their illegal methods are replying to the thread in a negative light.

NOWHERE IN THE WORLD IS ANYTHING FREE OTHER THAN CHEESE IN A MOUSETRAP
Show me one medicine thats free. Please.

Why dont you spend half the time you do saying im terrible for covering my growing expenses and put your energy into writing the oil companies, pharmecutical companies, and electric companies etc for ripping us off? They make billions yearly on inflated costs and this is the kicker. The earth doesnt belong to the oil companies. it doesnt belong to me or you either but it belongs to everyone. So...Why the f*ck are they making money selling us our own planet???

abudtokr said:

If you dont offer free meds and charge outrages prices are operating a dispensary out of your home... I dont see where it would hurt to give a free ounce to there patients, how much do you smoke really? I mean you got some blueberry skunk how much would you smoke. Ya it gets you high as you want but taiste soooooo good. Your going to keep smoking. I DO! That free ounce is going to get smoked up fast. Guess who will be back to get more in a week. I mean really I can easily smoke a 1/8 a day. With them numbers I would be back in less then a week. If you charge 150-200 for every oz after the first free one you will make your money back easy. PLUS if your not a patient you get to smoke for free. I dont think people should give all there meds away for free I just think there should be a insentive to let you grow my plants because we all know there is money to be made why else would people do it.

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So according to you..If I only have 5 patients and I ONLY sell to them, I am running a dispensary? hahaha ok. Im not even justifying myself with a response to that one.

And if you're smoking meds at 1/8th a day just because its free I can agrue "medical use" all day. The fact is most people dont need more than an ounce or 2 per month, so if you give it away for free, and they dont need more, now what?

I do see a little light in your post when you agree that it shouldnt be completely free, so why do you feel I am ripping off my patients when clearly I stated in earlier posts that once I made my monthly expenses back, I would share any remaining meds for free with my patients? Or did you not read the whole thread?

Funny shit man..
You answer the question about clones but failed to answer the real question I asked.

Are you a qualified patient ?
Have you been certified by a Dr and accepted by the state as a "qualifying patient" ?
Or are you just trying to become a caregiver ?


I've got $50 to my buddy that says you won't answer the question.

I was wondering if you could re-educate me in how a caregiver is able to "acquire" meds if all the avenues you speak of are illegal ?
They surely do not mean by growing because they put "AND grow up to 12 plants for a "qualifying patient".

The MMMA provides for a system of designated caregivers. The caregiver can acquire 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana and grow up to 12 marihuana plants for a qualifying patient. The caregiver may assist up to 5 patients. The caregiver must sign a statement agreeing to provide marihuana only to the qualifying patients who have named the individual as their caregiver.

First of all, of course I am a qualified patient. You have to be. You cannot be a caregiver without being a patient as far as I am aware. I have had my 3 visits in the last three years and I have gone to a doctor for a recommendation, recieved the recommendation, filed it with the state with the $100, waited the 21 days with no rejection, and recieved a card
Sounds like your buddy won $50 and your karma payed him a little doesnt it?


Now here we go Such a funny one you are indeed sir. I was thinking that you were aware of the laws, and that you could comprehend what it says, but apparently I need to further inform you.
You want to know how this statement makes any sense and I will gladly explain
The caregiver can acquire 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana and grow up to 12 marihuana plants for a qualifying patient.

How can it say "can aquire" if you're supposed to only grow?
Answer: You're not. The wonderful thing about being a caregiver is it allows you to grow your patients medicine, while at the same time being a patient yourself. What this means is that in being a patient, I can recieve meds from my caregiver which is only allowed to sell to me and four others. Now I have legally obtained medicine, and I can legally sell it to my 5 patients. Simple and legal. Dispensaries sometimes make you sign that you wont resell their meds, so unless you are their patient you're good to go.
Now you may be wondering, why would a caregiver also be a patient? Simply put, if I am growing just for my patients, and I do not have overages, I can possibly hit a shortage, because unlike those who sell "overages" i dont have any. I know how to grow only what I need so I personally am not concerned. youre welcome for the education. Free of charge now excuse me while i medicate (legally)