Chemistry Discussion Thread

[ndangerspecimen101]

Any dissertation or concrete "abstract" in mind Tmac?

I'm a rogue scientist. No chemistry background besides Advance Placement Chemistry in High school, and some medical background as a license vocational nurse.

I love chemicals. Medicine. They truly make the world go round!

 

[Tmac4302]

Any dissertation or concrete "abstract" in mind Tmac?

I'm a rogue scientist. No chemistry background besides Advance Placement Chemistry in High school, and some medical background as a license vocational nurse.

I love chemicals. Medicine. They truly make the world go round!

Nothing definite right now. However, I would love to get into cannabinoid research to study the correlation between phytocannabinoid's and endocannabinoid's, and use that as a "theme" per say for my thesis in the dissertation. Cannabinoids are just one of the many compounds on this earth that fascinate me. Most people get on their computer to Facebook, check e-mails, shop, ect. for their daily web surfing. Mine is a love child of political angst, alternative energy, modern and post-modern philosophical readings, and a multitude of different types of chemistry lectures (journals, new procedures, new findings, certain compounds and their biochemical effect on the human body, university videos in lecture halls, ect). Knowledge is the only true way to find truth, imo. So here I am searching and absorbing as much as I can on a daily basis.

 

[ndangerspecimen101]

Yes.

Ndangerspecimen thinks he found some new friends at RIU, today! Were heavily involved in the "Information Age." Everything is at our fingertips practically. Were always looking for methods to save time. The internet is one of time. A peer to peer system of information exchange.

But, lets get this topic back on track.

Why does various batches of Molly vary in color?

There transparent shards, beige, and sandy consistencies. Even reports of green and pink products. SWIM is particularly interested as to why the Sand (Molly) has its distinct color.

 

[sonar]

subbed. Don't want to miss this one!

 

[Martins]

I have question -> Have anyone here tryed ethamphetamine?
Its easy to obtain from ethcathinone via reduction with LAH.

 

[Totoe]

subbed, I think I need to buddy up to a colleague over in the chemistry department to let me start auditing classes, so I can understand all of this. lol

 

[MrEDuck]

Ndanger MDMA varies in color because of impurities, like any other substance. It doesn't take much to change the color of most drugs. Also brown can be better than tan, but moon rocks will always be better than the others. But not by much nessascarily. You can have 97% pure Molly that's brown. The color usually means the chemist either wasn't very skilled or was too lazy to do a decent wash and/or recrystallization.
I've never seen sand so I can't say anything about it. All my experience with Molly is with moonrocks. Pink or green is most likely from a metal impurity.
On the topic of MDMA I saw some data recently that shows that some of the mercury used in an Al/Hg amalgam stays in the product. I suggest we all get tested for mercury exposure sooner than later.

 

[canndo]

On paper.

Everything looks simple. The thing about chemistry is that its not always predictable. Everyone expects that the reactions will play out like the recipe they read. However, what if something went wrong. Would you be able to counteract the problem with a fast solution. Say for instance in the case of the notorious Hydrochloric Gas. If large amounts of this would evade your work space would you know how to remedy the situation?

BTW, I'm glad to see you back on the RIU pavement Morfin. How you been!

there are several levels of danger in many non-professional endeavors - of course there is the preservation of one's skin, eyesight, fingers, hands, limbs, hair and the like. Another is far more incidious. Many reagents are carcinogenic - some monsterously so. Some of these chemicals can be absorbed in a variety of ways from touch to inhalation, some, are simply not washed out by the experimenter who is anxious not to lose his yield. In that case he is eating and offering to his friends something that could be damaging 10 or 20 years down the road. It might not seem so at the moment, but even the creation of some marvelous and novel high is not worth losing a liver or kidney over the experience.

 

[MrEDuck]

Martins I've never touched ethamphetamine because I have a strong dislike of all stims but caffeine and nicotine. But I can tell you that using LiAlH4 is way overboard. You could use red P/I or an amalgam or a bunch of other reducing agents. LiAlH4 would be shooting a squirrel with an elephant gun. Save it for elephants (nitrostyrenes).

 

[canndo]

Mr Duck.


Thank you for the rather concise explaination. Now, we all know pretty much what each other is talking about, we are speculating on how one might take clandistinely manufactured mdma which was likely mixed with (for example) bzp, amphetamine, valium, or some of the other more common adulterants. Now, given that one is doing these sorts of processes, what will be the effect? for instance, if BZP is soluable in the cold solvent you are using, it will remain soluable in the warm solvent as well, will it not? We would need to know some of the properties not only of the main chemical but of many of the adulterants in order to have a process that is most specific for the one substance and least specific for the others. Might we say that your description has already been adjusted for this?

I must say I am rather thrilled to be able to read what you post here (the other folks as well, obviously).

 

[Bucket head]

Sub'd

 

[MrEDuck]

Canndo,If something is soluble in the cold recrystallization solvent it will also be soluble in it when it is hot. This mea s the recrystallization will get rid of that impuritiy. Generally impurities will be present in small enough amounts that as long as they are partially soluble in the chosen solvent they will stay in solution when the product crystallizes.

 

[canndo]

Gotcha. So Isopropal is specific enough to MDMA to clear the final product of most of all of the other additives. Now, is it specific to MDMA rather than MDA or would this hypothetical fail to separate these two substances?

 

[MrEDuck]

It works because active cuts are usually only a few percent of the total, so there isn't enough material to fall out of solution. If it was like a 50/50 mixture it wouldn't work. You'd have to resort to chromatography then.

 

[canndo]

It works because active cuts are usually only a few percent of the total, so there isn't enough material to fall out of solution. If it was like a 50/50 mixture it wouldn't work. You'd have to resort to chromatography then.

Great! and the MDMA/MDA issue?
(scuse me for attempting to dominate the discussion here.. but.... I figure we all might want to know?)

 

[dudeomg1]

alright ill ask what everyone without a chemist backround is thinking but let me start here i have been very interested in becoming an organic chemist for multiple reasons (I love science,math, and money, i heard that chemistry is gonna be a field with really high growth in jobs thats another reason) anyway i was just wondering if you could explain how to make LSD(i know its complicated) and MDMA i don’t really care for mdma but i would like the education thanks in advance

 

[mrboots]

I'm subbed to this very interesting thread, I've always been very interested in how anything is made and I've made some cool stuff, some cool pieces of furniture and cabinetry, some cool things cast out of concrete. I've brewed beer and grown weed, but the only thing I've ever done that was even close to chemistry was cure olives with lye. They turned out delicious. So I'm ready to get some good basic chemistry knowledge here.

 

[morfin56]

Morfin what you are talking about is called a glovebox. Are you sure all the walls are resistant to chemicals (organics, acids, and bases)?

haha Definitely, wood walls plated with steel on the inside walls.
The only thing that is a problem is the front window, plexiglass.
Even acetone eats through it, but it takes a little while because its so thick and I have backups anyway.
The window is small and only for looking at what your doing inside.

This thread is like christmas, 2c-x synthesis please?!

 

[MrEDuck]

No worries Canndo, I like answering questions. To separate MDMA and MDA you'd need to use chromatography.

Dudeomg1, I am planning on doing a review of LSD chem soon. I've been working on it for a bit now but it's a big topic. I'll be doing MDMA soon as well. Probably when I can't think of another topic.

 

[dudeomg1]

nice i have never found anywhere on the web that actually explains how to make lsd even assuming you have a proper chemistry set which i do have access to ,as well as an array of chemicals, myself i just couldn’t tell my teacher what i was making he thinks im pretty responsible though so he pretty much lets me do what i want