Cloning curse

Renfro · Mar 24, 2020

Bignutes said:
I cut at the node too i leave the node attached to the clone,

Interesting, do you have any pictures? Does the node survive? I am not being a dick, I am truly interested in your tech.

I have always just cut anywhere to get my lengths the same but I don't cut below where the stem becomes "woody". I have heard that cutting right at that transition helps them root faster, I generally don't get that deep though just cutting tops. In a time of need I will cut branches up making the nodes into tops and getting 3 or 4 cuts per branch before the stem gets woody.

xtsho · Mar 24, 2020

Renfro said:
Yeah that stuff is gold. I always keep it on the shelf with the extremely low ambient RH% we have here. You can use it to help prevent shock when you take rooted clones out of a dome and put them in a room with air circulation and a much lower RH% than the dome had. You have to spray the undersides of the leaves, I do it as I am potting them, just dipping them usually so the spray isn't going everywhere lol.

I wonder what it really is, just some cornstarch or something to block the stomata?

I thought it was latex based but I just checked the label on the website and it looks like it a water based solution of Acrylic Polymers. Regardless, it seals in the moisture and works.

Snoopy808 · Mar 24, 2020

My cuts are about 8 inches long and try to get two nodes that will be in soil, or under cloning collar.
I cut the clone from the mother, 45 degrees thru the node, then another oblique cut thru that on a cutting board. After a while you can see the line for the oblique cut.

Yes the node survives and less likely for air embolism than cutting in the internode space making a "straw" bottom.

No "straws" that is a hollow stem below a node. Yes it will still root if the node above it is in soil or not in light, but they are usually weaker and many times im called to figure out whats wrong those types of clones are sick and struggling.

Renfro · Mar 24, 2020

Snoopy808 said:
No "straws" that is a hollow stem below a node.

Agreed, straws rarely do well. I have noted over the years that they are more of a hydro mother thing. When my moms were in DWC the bigger tops would be hollow. The soil mothers I am running now rarely do that.

Bignutes · Mar 24, 2020

The node is the same point that turns into a rooting point when the plant figures out it's hormones, meaning it doesn't have to generate a new growth point at an arbitrary point. It doesnt always happen like this, dont know why sometimes it creates the knobs and other times its from the node.

Thefarmer12 · Mar 25, 2020

Keep it simple. No need for fancy machines.

Clones by Elite 91. Buy it. It's fairly expensive but it will last you a long long time and will give you roots so viscious they starting growing out of the top of my plugs. Clonex and the like don't even compare. It's like crack for clones..

Humidity dome, rapid rooter/root riot plugs, heat mat and Clones solution I mentioned above. Keep plugs wet but not over wet i water the plugs about once a day. Spray inside of dome to keep up moisture. If your humidity in room isn't about 55% or so you need to buy a little humidifier. I have 100% success in about 10-17 days. Some genetics take longer but they always get there. Keep dome on top of heat mat 24 hours a day.

Snoopy808 · Mar 25, 2020

Hah

Thefarmer12 said:
Keep it simple. No need for fancy machines.

Clones by Elite 91. Buy it. It's fairly expensive but it will last you a long long time and will give you roots so viscious they starting growing out of the top of my plugs. Clonex and the like don't even compare. It's like crack for clones..

Humidity dome, rapid rooter/root riot plugs, heat mat and Clones solution I mentioned above. Keep plugs wet but not over wet i water the plugs about once a day. Spray inside of dome to keep up moisture. If your humidity in room isn't about 55% or so you need to buy a little humidifier. I have 100% success in about 10-17 days. Some genetics take longer but they always get there. Keep dome on top of heat mat 24 hours a day.

Haha. Simple STFU!
In my 60 site one all i do is cut, and put in ez cloner. Then change solution after 1 week. In 14 days ive got white fuzzy roots 18 inches long. No dome, no misting, no root mat etc. Leaves dont even yellow. it doesn't matter what time if year it is.

xtsho · Mar 25, 2020

One thing I haven't seen posted in this thread is the fact that you don't want a ton of light. You don't want foliage growth you want root growth. Don't put them under high intensity light until they have formed roots. Ambient light is fine.

BobBitchen · Mar 25, 2020

Everyone has their preferred method of cloning, all of the above methods work.
As for me, I great success with rapid/root riot plugs, but found it too time consuming
Aero always intrigued me, I DIY'ed a few, & chased problem after problem.
After a little research, I bought a Clone King & haven't looked back. It really doesn't get any easier.
I fill the unit with non PH'ed tap water, take a cut, put into puck and ignore for 10 - 14 days.
Just my opinion, YMMV
Link of some root porn ....https://www.rollitup.org/t/r00t-pr0n.1003123/

Thefarmer12 · Mar 25, 2020

Snoopy808 said:
Hah
Haha. Simple STFU!
In my 60 site one all i do is cut, and put in ez cloner. Then change solution after 1 week. In 14 days ive got white fuzzy roots 18 inches long. No dome, no misting, no root mat etc. Leaves dont even yellow. it doesn't matter what time if year it is.

That’s cool. Not saying not to buy an aero cloner... they seem to work well for many. I never had luck with them personally I think my water temps were running too warm. Regardless, more than one ways to skin a cat. I find plugs in a dome cheap, easy and virtually error proof.

growingforfun · Mar 25, 2020

Renfro said:
First key is to have very healthy mothers.

I just use a tray of rapid rooters with a dome. I always keep just a little water in the tray, the dome should have condensation.

Cut, dip in rooting gel and stick in the rapid rooter. Wait 14 - 20 days and you have rooted clones.

I tried aero cloners and they didn't work for me. Everyone has to find what works for them. I have been using the rapid rooters since about 2002 and love them. Before that I just cloned in clear solo cups with some soil and soda bottle bottom domes lol.

This is pretty much how I clone too. I use ziplock bags instead of soda bottles tho. I have pretty good results. I have to flip the bags everyday so they dont mold, the only time I'll lose clones is by forgetting to do this. I admit it's a slow way to clone because it will typically take 3-4 weeks but it's very simple and makes it easy to move the individual cups around instead of have a big bulky cloner or tray eating up space

sarahJane211 · Mar 31, 2020

Some live, some die, I try to keep humidity under the domes over 80%, less and they die.
I've got 4 in rockwool, 3 in coco, and 1 in an ultrasonic mister at the moment.
I use any plant to donate, I even use toppings, usually cut with rusty scissors.
I use straight tapwater, dip in cloning liquid, spray under the domes a few times a day.
Red Diesel, Lemon Kush and Orange Punch cuttings in the photos.

Bignutes · Apr 7, 2020

@Renfro, @Grow Harder, here is my cloning tech, i cut the clone just below a node at 45 deg. For planting I fill the bottom of a clear cup with 1.5 inch of pumice,then I put an oversize straw into cup on top of pumice and fill with a mix of one scoop of dirt, one of peat, one of pumice. Remove straw and get the clone into the hole down to the pumice with clonex sprinkled in. Plant deep to cover node, put clear cup into red solo cup and drop into a water filled container. Water level in reservoir needs to be below the top of the pumice to ensure there is aeration yet moisture at node. In 4-5 days I get roots and I don't concern myself with RH, my Rh is anywhere between 35 and 45% in my veg space, I know too low! They go into veg space at double the light distance away or in my seedling space at double the distance They may need a spritz first day or two but usually dont. I got this concept from another member here but added in the clear cup into the red cup so root zone is dark yet I can pull up the clear cup to see what root zone is doing and gives me an estimate of when to transplant.

Second method when I'm lazy I just put them in water with some kelp juice and transplant fert. and put them in under my light at double distance making sure a node or two is submerged but it takes 20+ days lol and some rotting stems, lol.

instg8ter · Apr 7, 2020

Grow Harder said:
Ok so I've been growing for coming up on 4 years and I've tried to clone every grow. Soil, water, coco, clone dome, aloe, honey, clonex, u name it. I've convinced myself that I do not need to buy an ACTUAL cloner with all the fixins. I've seen people leave a clone in a cup of water and, bam, 2 weeks later, roots!. I do the Same and I get a rotted stem. Am I taking clones that with "too thin" stalks? I follow all the cutting steps and keep it clean, so to have tried all this and have never even come close to JUST ONE successful clone leads me to believe that cloning is a myth. Now I know that sounds silly but from MY experience it's just the hardest thing on earth yet I continue to try and I continue to fail. has anyone else been this unfortunate in cloning? Or is cloning just really not for me? I can grow very well. Cloning is another story. Help me? At the very least share your early cloning failures with me and help me understand what I'm missing here

I use a rapid rooter Usually get 95% in that at 7-15 days but am trying a comparison with moss starting pellets that I seen on another site. I’ll get pics as I go. Trying to get seed to flower time under 6 weeks to keep perpetual smooth.

Grow Harder · Apr 7, 2020

instg8ter said:
I use a rapid rooter Usually get 95% in that at 7-15 days but am trying a comparison with moss starting pellets that I seen on another site. I’ll get pics as I go. Trying to get seed to flower time under 6 weeks to keep perpetual smooth.

Same. I'm trying to dial everything In . First time trying perpetual but I think I'm on the right track. It's easy to schedule but when ur looking at it and thinking about all the rotations too much, it can get confusing. So I've really been just kinda going by feel rn. Check out my journal if u want, "NEW PERPETUAL GROW "

instg8ter · Apr 7, 2020

Yeah I put “about” dates in my I phone to warn me another turn is coming in a few days. Schedule is trick you will have plants in flower at 3 digferemt stages. I’m thinking of using jacks because it’s only three parts and adjustable. Simpler than mixing 2-3 feeds. Here’s the clone set up. See if it works, purple are GG4 plant that’s been that way since putting, new mothers.

Mohican · Apr 7, 2020

@BobBitchen - post some of your root pics!

spek9 · Apr 7, 2020

instg8ter said:
Yeah I put “about” dates in my I phone to warn me another turn is coming in a few days. Schedule is trick you will have plants in flower at 3 digferemt stages. I’m thinking of using jacks because it’s only three parts and adjustable. Simpler than mixing 2-3 feeds. Here’s the clone set up. See if it works, purple are GG4 plant that’s been that way since putting, new mothers.

For my perpetual, I use General Hydroponics nutrients (mixed at about 2/3-3/4 of manufacturers recommendation). I mix two 15 gallon containers, one for flower, one for veg.

All freshly rooted clones get a mixture of 1/4 of the pre-mixed liquid in the 15 gal, and 3/4 water for the first week, then they get the full dose that all the rest of the veg plants get.

Man it makes it a whole lot easier mixing in large containers. I use one gallon distilled water/milk jugs to transport the feed to the plants. It takes about three gallons every two days (or so) to feed all of my plants.

instg8ter · Apr 7, 2020

I have a chair in your journal room, happy to trade tips along the way. Following another guy that started a little before us.
make sure to use rooting agent on an inch of stalk and cut. I cut in V bist above 4th node then slice one side up an inch. Reason you slice to pod is so you don’t slide it in and remove rooting hormones.

instg8ter · Apr 7, 2020

spek9 said:
For my perpetual, I use General Hydroponics nutrients (mixed at about 2/3-3/4 of manufacturers recommendation). I mix two 15 gallon containers, one for flower, one for veg.

All freshly rooted clones get a mixture of 1/4 of the pre-mixed liquid in the 15 gal, and 3/4 water for the first week, then they get the full dose that all the rest of the veg plants get.

Man it makes it a whole lot easier mixing in large containers. I use one gallon distilled water/milk jugs to transport the feed to the plants. It takes about three gallons every two days (or so) to feed all of my plants.

I have 2-55 gallons and two large valve port 10 gallons, went through almost all in 7 days. I’ll look into general too, still have 3/4 gallon AN left to get through a few cycles.

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