Cloning.

Friendly_Grower

Friendly_Grower

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Okay day four.

I will be turning the rest of the greenery into bedding for earthworms.
I feel confident that these will make it and soon I'll have to choose the ones I want and send the rest to compost as well.
 
Soul Dwella

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calvin.m16 said:
Pure coco is king in small containers.
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xtsho said:
Coco for the win. I've done just about every method and had success with all of them but coco is the only way I'll clone anymore.

I made a cloner years ago. It worked great but it's not worth the hassle with a small grow like I have now and I've found that coco is just as fast and much easier. I still have it but the tote is used for its intended purpose of storage.
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You guys wetting this coco with just water? Or some sort of weak nute solution?
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Soul Dwella said:
You guys wetting this coco with just water? Or some sort of weak nute solution?
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I typically use a weak micronutrient solution that's 3-10-20 at around 0.4 ec to wet the coco. Then I squeeze out the excess water so it's just really damp and not soaking wet. Fill small nursery pots packed somewhat tight, make a hole for the stem, insert clone, and pack the coco tight around the stem. Dome for a few days out of direct light. Then remove dome and wait for roots. When I see roots coming out of the holes in the bottom of the pots I put them under direct light and watch them grow.
 
Soul Dwella

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xtsho said:
I typically use a weak micronutrient solution that's 3-10-20 at around 0.4 ec to wet the coco. Then I squeeze out the excess water so it's just really damp and not soaking wet. Fill small nursery pots packed somewhat tight, make a hole for the stem, insert clone, and pack the coco tight around the stem. Dome for a few days out of direct light. Then remove dome and wait for roots. When I see roots coming out of the holes in the bottom of the pots I put them under direct light and watch them grow.
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Thanks for the more detailed explanation, much appreciated. How often do you have to re-wet the coco?
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Soul Dwella said:
Thanks for the more detailed explanation, much appreciated. How often do you have to re-wet the coco?
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That depends on the ambient temperature as to how fast the coco might dry out. I've had some that I never needed to add more water. Some I have. In the winter when it's colder it doesn't dry out like it does in the summer. And when I do add more moisture I just use a spray bottle when the top starts to get dry. You don't want the coco soaking wet. You just want to keep it damp.
 
DrBuzzFarmer

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I'm one of the OG organic messiahs on the net, so I was hung up on cloning in soil for a long time.
I still think it produces the healthiest clones.
But it requires fresh finished compost to do well.
In a hydro situation, I tried every method.
Finally, I spent the 79$ on a 20 site Oxycloner. I put an extra bubble plate in it.
The amount of trouble I have saved myself makes it worth it, even if it didn't produce rooted clones predictably and in an incredibly short period.
What most people fail to realize is:
Cuttings feed like they are blooming, not vegging.
They are developing root systems. They need phosphorous.
When you load the cloner, set your ph at 6 and add micro, bloom, and Hormex.
One of the nutrients I use is Blue Planet nutrients. I add 5ml Micro, 10 ml bloom, and 6 ml Hormex. Keep your temps in the 70s.
I get roots ALL the way around the stem, like a clown wig, in about a week.
I scrape the first layer of bark off the clones in places at the base, to encourage root growth.
Make sure you give them enough time to fully set roots, but don't let them get long and crazy.
 
Friendly_Grower

Friendly_Grower

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DrBuzzFarmer said:
I'm one of the OG organic messiahs on the net, so I was hung up on cloning in soil for a long time.
I still think it produces the healthiest clones.
But it requires fresh finished compost to do well.
In a hydro situation, I tried every method.
Finally, I spent the 79$ on a 20 site Oxycloner. I put an extra bubble plate in it.
The amount of trouble I have saved myself makes it worth it, even if it didn't produce rooted clones predictably and in an incredibly short period.
What most people fail to realize is:
Cuttings feed like they are blooming, not vegging.
They are developing root systems. They need phosphorous.
When you load the cloner, set your ph at 6 and add micro, bloom, and Hormex.
One of the nutrients I use is Blue Planet nutrients. I add 5ml Micro, 10 ml bloom, and 6 ml Hormex. Keep your temps in the 70s.
I get roots ALL the way around the stem, like a clown wig, in about a week.
I scrape the first layer of bark off the clones in places at the base, to encourage root growth.
Make sure you give them enough time to fully set roots, but don't let them get long and crazy.
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I was wondering if a little liquid organic fertilizer would help.
I'm not sure if CloneX will dissolve or stay somewhat sticky.

@DrBuzzFarmer do you think it will help?
Some of the cuts are looking like they are "the poorer for it" now.

Shame the laws are so harsh because I think once it takes off there will be a Forrest when I need a few trees.
 
Mr.Head

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DrBuzzFarmer said:
I'm one of the OG organic messiahs on the net, so I was hung up on cloning in soil for a long time.
I still think it produces the healthiest clones.
But it requires fresh finished compost to do well.
In a hydro situation, I tried every method.
Finally, I spent the 79$ on a 20 site Oxycloner. I put an extra bubble plate in it.
The amount of trouble I have saved myself makes it worth it, even if it didn't produce rooted clones predictably and in an incredibly short period.
What most people fail to realize is:
Cuttings feed like they are blooming, not vegging.
They are developing root systems. They need phosphorous.
When you load the cloner, set your ph at 6 and add micro, bloom, and Hormex.
One of the nutrients I use is Blue Planet nutrients. I add 5ml Micro, 10 ml bloom, and 6 ml Hormex. Keep your temps in the 70s.
I get roots ALL the way around the stem, like a clown wig, in about a week.
I scrape the first layer of bark off the clones in places at the base, to encourage root growth.
Make sure you give them enough time to fully set roots, but don't let them get long and crazy.
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These new silicone dishwasher safe collars that are popping up got me wanting to get back into aero/bubble cloning.

I'm using Rockwool 1.5" cubes now. They are fine, and good success rates. But throwing out $0.25 every time I toss a clone bugs me, and those slabs of cubes never last as long as I think they will.
 
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DrBuzzFarmer

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Friendly_Grower said:
I was wondering if a little liquid organic fertilizer would help.
I'm not sure if CloneX will dissolve or stay somewhat sticky.

@DrBuzzFarmer do you think it will help?
Some of the cuts are looking like they are "the poorer for it" now.

Shame the laws are so harsh because I think once it takes off there will be a Forrest when I need a few trees.
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No fertilizer for clones. A good choice would be Hormex. Sometimes clones will look sad for a while, but if temps, ph, and moisture level are ok, they will usually comeout of it.
 
DrBuzzFarmer

DrBuzzFarmer

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Mr.Head said:
These new silicone dishwasher safe collars that are popping up got me wanting to get back into aero/bubble cloning.

I'm using Rockwool 1.5" cubes now. They are fine, and good success rates. But throwing out $0.25 every time I toss a clone bugs me, and those slabs of cubes never last as long as I think they will.
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I am still using the same one I bought years ago. Same foam plugs, same water pump, same everything, except I bought a bigger air pump and an extra air stone. LOTS of oxygen is a huge factor.
Clones are now simple.
I take the clone, put it in the cloner, and about a week later I have a start to plant.
The amount of fiddling I used to do with clones is now time to feed or water.
 
DrBuzzFarmer

DrBuzzFarmer

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People who are shy about spending the money for an oxycloner don't realize it's not just for cannabis.
Once you have it, every plant in nature is yours, if you want it.
The guy down the street have an exceptional azalea? take a clone, pop it in the cloner, and you have it too.
The courthouse have a brilliant red maple? well, snip snip, you do too!!
It opens a whole new world for plant happy people.
 
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