Concerning - potassium deficiency?

Reap911 said:
If you are really worried about the soil being overloaded the best thing you can do is to maybe bring in some type of a cover crop. If you go with the other advice given here and think there is too much Nitrogen in the soil, look at throwing in a crop that will help with that. I cannot give you the name of one off the top of my head but Google will point you in the right direction. Something small that grows extremely quickly is your best bet.
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Just gonna chillax for the next 7-10 days and water only when they are dry… we’ll see where we are after that. I do think challenges from my synthetic grow have jaded my approach to organics. But I clearly just gotta chill tf out.
Still much to learn. So it goes.

If these work themselves through this and pan out alright then that will be great. If they don’t, we learn and move on.

Also! THOUGHT OF SOMETHING I MAY HAVE NOT STRESSED WHEN I SHARED THE EARLIER INFO. I have used a fair amount up PH down to keep the PH a bit under 7. Never a ton per watering but have used it regularly. Could this be the missing variable? They would have been small; but sounds like they were unnecessary, swings in PH. Idk ‍♂️
 
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Growin4fun77 said:
Just gonna chillax for the next 7-10 days and water only when they are dry… we’ll see where we are after that. I do think challenges from my synthetic grow have jaded my approach to organics. But I clearly just gotta chill tf out.
Still much to learn. So it goes.

If these work themselves through this and pan out alright then that will be great. If they don’t, we learn and move on.

Also! THOUGHT OF SOMETHING I MAY HAVE NOT STRESSED WHEN I SHARED THE EARLIER INFO. I have used a fair amount up PH down to keep the PH a bit under 7. Never a ton per watering but have used it regularly. Could this be the missing variable? They would have been small; but sounds like they were unnecessary, swings in PH. Idk ‍♂
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You're fine. Just stop using it.
 
Growin4fun77 said:
Just gonna chillax for the next 7-10 days and water only when they are dry… we’ll see where we are after that. I do think challenges from my synthetic grow have jaded my approach to organics. But I clearly just gotta chill tf out.
Still much to learn. So it goes.

If these work themselves through this and pan out alright then that will be great. If they don’t, we learn and move on.

Also! THOUGHT OF SOMETHING I MAY HAVE NOT STRESSED WHEN I SHARED THE EARLIER INFO. I have used a fair amount up PH down to keep the PH a bit under 7. Never a ton per watering but have used it regularly. Could this be the missing variable? They would have been small; but sounds like they were unnecessary, swings in PH. Idk ‍♂
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Best thing you can do. That is the thing with these systems, you have to leave the control in the hands of the biology. I tried a blended approach, adding organic soluble nutrients and it fucked things up so badly. I once did an entire run and got 8g per a plant. Hard one to learn but that is part of the process. Look the trick here is to still have a guiding hand but rather than focusing on what you think the plant needs, focus on what you can add to the soil to improve its ability to make the nutrients the plant might want. Once that shift takes place you will see that your focus becomes more aligned to soil than to the plant.

I use a variation of 20+ inputs over the plants entire lifecycle. Included in there are pro-biotics, bacteria and fungi inoculations, ferments, amino acids, humic, fulvic and tea's (both sprouts and compost). That does not include foliar that I like to add from Korean Natural Farming. I split these into 4 week cycles. Some I add once in a 4 week cycle and other bi-weekly. So I am always involved in the way my soil is growing.

Its not to say that you just build the soil and that is that. Yes I feel like the results you get from that will be good, don't get me wrong but I feel like there are ways for you to understand what these things do in your soil and how that links to the metabolic processes that the plant goes through that will maximize the production of terpenes and result in a high yielding, trichrome rich pleasure that I get to indulge in everyday that gives me just what I need to get my shit going.

You have the right attitude. The recipe for success is journaling. In these systems, you have to focus on what you are doing in detail. I recorded everything I added, what amounts they were in and what volumes they were added into the soil. Through a process of elimination you get the hang of what works and what does not. Unlike the synthetic game were you just measure Ph and PPM and you are good to go, organics gives you the space to explore different recipes and see where that takes you. Sometimes it will take you down a road of deficiencies and maybe, if you work hard enough, you hit the motherload. That sweet spot and once you have it, you have it, just make sure you write it down so you can repeat it.
 
Growin4fun77 said:
Just gonna chillax for the next 7-10 days and water only when they are dry… we’ll see where we are after that. I do think challenges from my synthetic grow have jaded my approach to organics. But I clearly just gotta chill tf out.
Still much to learn. So it goes.

If these work themselves through this and pan out alright then that will be great. If they don’t, we learn and move on.

Also! THOUGHT OF SOMETHING I MAY HAVE NOT STRESSED WHEN I SHARED THE EARLIER INFO. I have used a fair amount up PH down to keep the PH a bit under 7. Never a ton per watering but have used it regularly. Could this be the missing variable? They would have been small; but sounds like they were unnecessary, swings in PH. Idk ‍♂
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Its really hard to tell if it was the ph additive that threw everything off. I think you have the next steps here so just go with that and see what happens.
 
swedsteven said:
When i start organic the 3 grow exactly i top dress bird shit and it got to hot... they were looking exactly the same like yours burn leaf ...pretty eassy to read a plant... dont reuse this medium.
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Word. Come to think things did tank faster after adding the seabird guano. Maybe just coincidence of the timing; but maybe not…. definitely a fair warning of caution when using guanos in the future.

Can anyone recommend a good resource for start to finish organic growing processes? From preparing/building soil to harvest.
I feel my downfall could be accumulating information from a broad range of sources and trying what I THINK will work well.
perhaps my next grow I could take a stripped down approach with more intentional structure around my process. Then as I’m building knowledge over time I can work in newer concepts.

This is currently feeling like that time I was somehow allowed to enroll in a college course without having the proper prerequisite courses. I made it through the semester but god damn it was more stressful than it had to be. I didn’t know the fundamentals well enough to quickly grasp the concepts. I need to do more work there before I finish this run or even think to start my next run.
 
Growin4fun77 said:
Word. Come to think things did tank faster after adding the seabird guano. Maybe just coincidence of the timing; but maybe not…. definitely a fair warning of caution when using guanos in the future.

Can anyone recommend a good resource for start to finish organic growing processes? From preparing/building soil to harvest.
I feel my downfall could be accumulating information from a broad range of sources and trying what I THINK will work well.
perhaps my next grow I could take a stripped down approach with more intentional structure around my process. Then as I’m building knowledge over time I can work in newer concepts.

This is currently feeling like that time I was somehow allowed to enroll in a college course without having the proper prerequisite courses. I made it through the semester but god damn it was more stressful than it had to be. I didn’t know the fundamentals well enough to quickly grasp the concepts. I need to do more work there before I finish this run or even think to start my next run.
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This might help.
If you could only use three amendments...? | Rollitup
 
Growin4fun77 said:
Word. Come to think things did tank faster after adding the seabird guano. Maybe just coincidence of the timing; but maybe not…. definitely a fair warning of caution when using guanos in the future.

Can anyone recommend a good resource for start to finish organic growing processes? From preparing/building soil to harvest.
I feel my downfall could be accumulating information from a broad range of sources and trying what I THINK will work well.
perhaps my next grow I could take a stripped down approach with more intentional structure around my process. Then as I’m building knowledge over time I can work in newer concepts.

This is currently feeling like that time I was somehow allowed to enroll in a college course without having the proper prerequisite courses. I made it through the semester but god damn it was more stressful than it had to be. I didn’t know the fundamentals well enough to quickly grasp the concepts. I need to do more work there before I finish this run or even think to start my next run.
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I'd definitely recommend the "Teaming With..." books by Jeff Lowenfels to get an idea of what is actually going on in organic gardening in general. It's not weed-specific, but weed is not really a special plant, its needs are similar to most other flowering annuals.

If you're thinking about a stripped-down approach, you might want to check out the "Official Gaia Green" thread. Gaia Green (and other organic dry fertilizer blends) is basically some of the amendments you added, plus several others, mixed together in well-thought-out ratios, and packaged and sold in a bag or tub. I think the folks in that thread are using two different blends (all-purpose and flower), but you could get by with just the all-purpose. My growing technique is pretty similar, but I use Espoma products because my local hardware store carries them.

In my mind, organic growing can be extremely simple and low-effort to pull off, even compared to some of the more stripped-down hydro methods like coco with a one- or two-part nutrient. Think about your mom's veggie or flower garden, only you're doing it in a tent in your basement...
 
weedstoner420 said:
I'd definitely recommend the "Teaming With..." books by Jeff Lowenfels to get an idea of what is actually going on in organic gardening in general. It's not weed-specific, but weed is not really a special plant, its needs are similar to most other flowering annuals.

If you're thinking about a stripped-down approach, you might want to check out the "Official Gaia Green" thread. Gaia Green (and other organic dry fertilizer blends) is basically some of the amendments you added, plus several others, mixed together in well-thought-out ratios, and packaged and sold in a bag or tub. I think the folks in that thread are using two different blends (all-purpose and flower), but you could get by with just the all-purpose. My growing technique is pretty similar, but I use Espoma products because my local hardware store carries them.

In my mind, organic growing can be extremely simple and low-effort to pull off, even compared to some of the more stripped-down hydro methods like coco with a one- or two-part nutrient. Think about your mom's veggie or flower garden, only you're doing it in a tent in your basement...
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There ya go!
 
Growin4fun77 said:
My problem thus far is a feel like I don’t really have a relative “blueprint” to follow. If I have that I can add/adjust it later if needed but at least I’d have a fundamental process.
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I mean no offence or claim to know it all, when I say you can get it from any general gardening information. Any information on basic gardening fundamentals. And any information on soil will be helpful.
Steer away from cannabis specific stuff. Or plant specific stuff.
Look more for information about soil environment and environment in general.
It's the bigger picture you want and need in my opinion. Gardening is a philosophy. As well as a science.

Are successful gardeners cultivating a plant. Or it's surrounding environment instead?
Environment is everything in my own opinion.

I can msg you some information, or places to start looking if you like.
Anything .edu or from a university's website is pretty reliable online.
 
swedsteven said:
When i start organic the 3 grow exactly i top dress bird shit and it got to hot... they were looking exactly the same like yours burn leaf ...pretty eassy to read a plant... dont reuse this medium.
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Why would he need to toss his soil? That's unnecessary. He hasn't ruined it.
 
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BongerChonger said:
I mean no offence or claim to know it all, when I say you can get it from any general gardening information. Any information on basic gardening fundamentals. And any information on soil will be helpful.
Steer away from cannabis specific stuff. Or plant specific stuff.
Look more for information about soil environment and environment in general.
It's the bigger picture you want and need in my opinion. Gardening is a philosophy. As well as a science.

Are successful gardeners cultivating a plant. Or it's surrounding environment instead?
Environment is everything in my own opinion.

I can msg you some information, or places to start looking if you like.
Anything .edu or from a university's website is pretty reliable online.
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Would welcome and read any resources/research shared. Even through ups and downs…. This process is so fun to me…. I can see what you mean by the philosophy vs science point. Thanks for the reply.
 
Kushash said:
Budz. I typed this before reading yours. Hope they are similar. I'm out, it's 5 O'clock somewhere.

I was just reading up some on guano just now, definitely going to do some more reading about release rate and its relationship to nute burn. At 1st glance there seems to be different opinions.
My guess is the damage shown in the 4th picture was from the Mid January feeding. It looks like the worst burnt leaves are older growth, not the newest growth. Now "if" they were overfed in the latest feeding 5 days ago. That damage has not likely started yet and will begin to show up once the dry fertilizers begins to break down in a week to 10 days.
What to do? I might try removing the food if it was on the surface and easy to remove but if I didn't feel comfortable that I could do that I would go water only and hope for the best.
You mentioned 1 -2 TBL of guano but didn't mention it was 2 types both the N and the P version.
Did you do 1-2 TBL of each type?
Also When top dressing with a guano I would be careful to spread it well in the top soil, I would think there would be problems if it was left in a large clump and possibly burning some roots.
Happy Growing!
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Oh ya, I always mix the guano with EWC and pumice before I topdress so it distributed evenly. It's really important with the seabird. That seems to be hotter. And when I mean hotter I mean it can burn the roots. If it's not distributed evenly some parts of the plant with get a little burnt and some will be fine. The bat isn't as hot.
 
Toka416 said:
looks like overfeed and potassium def. Likely fixed the potassium def with bloom food.
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Are you saying you feel it’s both overfed and potassium deficient; but that the potassium is likely already addressed going forward based off the steps I’ve already take with my top dresses?
 
Yes is what i think from looking at your pictures. Feel like you already came to that conclusion just wanted to back up your ideas of whats going on. The potassium def shows in the dead spots not focused on the tips of the leaves. As long as it doesnt get worse its fixed. The tip burn on lower growth indicates over feed of the npk, secondary nute overfeed shows on the upper leaves. Good luck!
 
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